Brussels Massacre guarantees the UK will leave the EU!

The first picture allegedly showing three possible suspects behind the deadly blasts in the Belgian capital has emerged.

The image allegedly comes from airport surveillance cameras and has been first published by an online version of Brussels' La Derniere Heure (The Latest Hour) newspaper. It shows two men with black hair, one of them definitely bearded, wearing black jumpers. Both of them can be seen pushing airport baggage trolleys, and both have one hand gloved – possibly hiding a trigger for a bomb, DH.be reported.The two “seem to have committed suicide attacks,” Belgium’s Federal Prosecutor Frederic Van Leeuw, later said at a news conference.The third man in the image is wearing a hat. Police have issued a wanted notice for him, with the authorities saying the man captured by CCTV at the airport is suspected of involvement in the attacks.The third suspect was seen running away from the airport building, Reuters cited a government official as saying. Earlier, citing police sources, Belgian newspaper Het Nieuwsblad reported that a third man who tried to blow himself up at the airport is still on the run. An explosives team from the Belgian Army has neutralized a suspicious package found at Brussels Airport, Crisis Center Belgium reported. An undetonated suicide belt has been found at the airport, Flemish TV channel VTM reported, adding that authorities believe it may have belonged to the third terrorist who managed to flee the scene. Two blasts went off in the departure hall of Brussels’ Zaventem Airport at around 8am local time, with at least one of them being a suicide bombing, according to Belgium’s federal prosecutor. Another bomb detonated at the airport might have been a suitcase bomb, a US official told AP on condition of anonymity.

READ MORE: 'Total mayhem': Witness describes to RT chaotic scene after Brussels’ airport blast

At least one of the bombs used at the airport contained nails, Belgian media reported, citing a hospital source. At least 14 people were killed at Zaventem, and nearly 100 reportedly injured. Three days of national mourning have been announced. Belgian Prime Minister Charles Michel has confirmed the blasts to be terrorist attacks. Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS/ISIL) has reportedly claimed responsibility for the attacks in Brussels, with a statement from the terrorist group published by IS-linked Amaq News Agency, according to Egyptian media.


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Resume? You haven't begun yet.

Besides, isn't it normal to have two intelligent adults to have an adult conversation (assuming we are talking about the same thing)?

And allow me to say that you started this nonsense with your original ridiculous, outmoded and jejune commie/marxist "soviet" bogeyman post. If that's the level of your debate then you need to hit the schoolroom again. If you want to debate intelligently then knock off all the political dogma-drama you appear to enjoy indulging yourself in - and start again.

I'll always entertain intelligent and informed debate.

 

The only word of those three which is a remotely political term is "xenophobic", which came into use at the start of the 20th century. (http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=xenophobia)

The key word there is "historically." Obviously homogeneity was the norm, and a perfectly well-functioning norm, at some point; but things change. Unless you've been reading too much Cortés.

I have no problem with some of the things colonisers brought to the Global South. In a country like India, development was hugely improved by the introduction of British infrastructure, and the world benefitted from the increased trade and pooling of resources from across the globe. My problem is with the fact that when the colonisers invaded, they seized power and subjected the indigenous population to systematic, ruthless enslavement, exploitation and even extermination, from said position of power. The abuses of the colonial regimes and the destruction they left in their wake screwed up the development of many a country, in the same way as Soviet rule "stunted" much of Eastern Europe: see most of Africa and even South America and India to some extent. The difference between this and modern immigration is that most immigrants genuinely do bring huge financial and cultural benefits to their new countries, and the ones who don't or who commit atrocities are doing so from a position of ghettoisation and social disconnect which is for the most part a result of the contradictions in our oh-so-wonderful mode of production.

I also have a purely academic problem, as a wannabe linguist, with the fate of indigenous cultures: colonisation meant that a lot of cultures were lost to the world and cannot be studied. But it's not as if European cultures are endangered, or not recorded well enough.

That may just be the worst analogy I've ever seen.

Oh don't worry, I don't consider myself an adherent to liberal "tolerance" in the slightest, and nor do I have any moral attachment to "preserving indigenous cultures." My point was that Europe's culture in this day and age is shaped to an enormous degree by Enlightenment influences, which encourage immigration and liberal cultural views, and that thus it is not a contravention of Europeanism in the slightest to welcome immigration. Whether I personally agree with such Europeanism (and my views are rather complicated and more than a little confused) is neither here nor there.

If you're going by scripture, every single religion is violent and they have all found ways to justify violence when it suits them. Whether adherents to a certain religion are violent or not has little to do with the religion itself, and much more to do with the circumstances of these adherents. Which is why Buddhists did some pretty reprehensible stuff in Myanmar and Sri Lanka despite their religion's theoretical teachings, for instance.

Material problems? The effects of austerity, imperialism, inequality, financial crisis, the huge amounts of apparently necessary bureaucracy prominent in much of Europe and even more so elsewhere, and the dysfunctional and contradictory system that is capitalism.

The Mughal Empire was a centre of innovation in its time, as were the Persian and Ottoman Empires, and some countries in the much-hyped ASEAN group are Muslim. Not to mention the considerable scientific and cultural innovation in ancient Arabia, which occurred while Europeans were in the Dark Ages and busy fighting each other.

The Holy Lands had been under Muslim control for several centuries before the Christians decided to invade.

As a matter of fact, I despise Islam as much as I despise every single other religion in existence, without exceptions. I'm not apologising for it at all; I'm saying that it's no worse than any other religion. And I do not extend my loathing of religion to religious people.

I was also raised Muslim and still have a copy of the Qu'ran in the drawer under my bed, so I'd say I have a decent amount of knowledge of Islamic theology.

Like Christians then, I guess.

 

You didn't make much of an effort to explain why my view is inaccurate.

See what I mean.

 

didnt they also do something to cyprus ? Like trukey didnt recognize them so they were blocking negotiations but merkel did an end run around them to push it thru?

 

yay another conservative nationalist i think theres 3 of us so far

 

Your use of other terms has similar origins. "Xenophobia" isn't even being accurately placed here. Rather, it's a boilerplate slur thrown at people who aren't for globalist mass migration and population transfers, as if the only reason someone would be against it is this irrational phobia, thingy. Seriously, that's a pretty mindless argument which conspicuously avoids addressing the stated motivations of people against mass migration. This is a cheap political ploy.

Just a minute ago you threw homogeneity into the same pot with "middle ages," as if we are stuck in some backward social arrangement for which we have proven lies at the feet of border control. It's even more amusing when you seem to think a "solution" to this stagnation is to import a dark ages culture. The only solution to alleged stagnation is ethnocultural suicide!

And we see in Europe Muslims swearing to form an oppressive Islamic state when they demographically gain the advantage. To that end, European dissent is already being silenced with threats of prison sentences in some countries. We're already seeing pork and Christian imagery banned in some European schools due to the objection of small Muslim fractions of the population that can't accept they don't live in an Islamic environment.

There is no "huge benefit" to importing backwards people that practice backwards religions, unless you think intermittent massacres and human bombs are socially advantageous. The "financial benefit" is to those who use their labor as it was to those who used slave labor, leaving local workers SOL. Let us know what the "huge benefit" is to importing child brides, culturally acceptable wife beating, clitoris mutilation, and animal sacrifice. I gotta hear this.

I assure you, I expected you to blame Europeans for being subject to terrorism. "Do so from a position of ghettoization and social disconnect." So when Muslims invaded Europe for 1,000 years, it was because they were ghettoized and socially alienated from Europeans, or because Muhammad and his followers practiced a militaristic, expansionist religion? Blame the external, never the religion or the culture engaging in the behavior - because they are non-Western and non-white.

You have not offered ONE thing that justifies throwing Europe's ethnocultural existence in the toilet. You first offered the usual labels followed by appeals to greed. If you were trying to be a corporate propagandist seeking cheap foreign labor, you're doing a half-decent job as you are borrowing their talking points.

They are endangered. Demographic projections prove this. The question is why you have no concern about it and attack those of us who do as "phobics."

It's quite fitting and you clearly struggle to answer it. Cultures and societies are no more fungible than various types of animal life, and in both cases, combining them causes endless strife. Turn on your TV.

That would be hard to glean by your use of Left wing pro-mass immigration jingoism as well as your nickname, using the stock labels such as "phobic" that they toss around like candy in the direction of anyone that gives them resistance.

Our immigration issues are directly at the feet of business-driven policy by business that has no sense of loyalty to the nation they're from, that seek super profits regardless of the negative outcomes that greed-driven policy brings. These are the same type of parasites that drove the trans-Atlantic slave trade. They can't get away with slavery so now they're doing the next best thing, regardless of the damage it does to cultures and homelands.

Oddly you take up for them.

False. Christianity does not teach violence against unbelievers as Islam does, it does not teach to expand the faith by the sword or to fight people until they convert or submissively pay a tribute tax. Again, your lack of theological understanding is showing.

Yes, I had this mindset when I was a Marxist. Then I pulled my head out and realized that capitalism is no more inherently evil than those who practice it. Capitalism without ethics is the problem, and oddly you and other Leftists like you serve as apologists for it by piling on and calling people against mass immigration as phobics.

Cool so the European assrape of Africa was OK in spite of the labor theft and ethnocultural destruction? After all, there were material and cultural benefits... Schools, electricity, hospitals...

According to this rationale, the Zulus invaded South Africa because whites had been there for several centuries...

Yes and your religious relativism is based on a political concept rather than any background in studying the faiths.

AH, now we get to the brass tacks. That explains why you have no concern for the right of Europeans to preserve their ethnocultural identity, why you trash dissenters to mass migration as "phobics," and why you equate Islam with Christianity.

Now the truth is out. You're self-serving.

And you like all other Muslim/secular Biblical illiterates think that the stuff in the OT is "what Christianity teaches," because you're theologically clueless and have no concept of the difference between the Old and New Covenants.

 

Is that what its called? If I knew that, then it would have saved me a paragraph in an another thread trying to explain myself.

 

http://www.politicalforum.com/polit...nalist-conservatism-new-republican-party.html

 

Funny from a guy whose only comment is "bigot!"

I wasn't the one that went off on mocking tangents. You need to look in the mirror and say that crap.

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Did you count me?

 

Because I support small nation-states over big nation-states.

It was when first proposed after WWII

I think eventually they will if the EU survives.

 

I get banned every couple of months. You're tough guy on the Internet is pretty sad.

And don't even call me a liberal again. I'm as conservative as it can get. How did you even come to that conclusion?

 

"In 92 days I expect YOU to be the one creating the thread where you admit you were a fool."

So you support the EU......that's mostly libs.
You wanna attack me?.........go ahead.
Don't tell me what I can say. You can come out to WY and find out about it anytime buddy.

 

Define small. Should individual counties in the UK be independent?

So? Lots of things were proposed after WWII

So you think the EU will force the UK to move money outside?

 

What like the way you started a thread based on a fact you had wrong, and now ignore or deflect? Foolish in the extreme.

 

If it is what they want, then yes.

I was just pointing out the roots of the EU was in checking Germany and now Germany dominates the EU.

I think high taxes in Europe will. The majority of my city's industrial parks' occupants are European owned companies. They are not building here because of the high culture and fine dining I am certain.

 

Then you may as well allow home owners to be independent

I've told you that it has nothing to do with that and I asked you why thought otherwise.

Like what? Which taxes in comparison to the US could force the UK to move its businesses to the US?

That doesn't mean anything.

 

Almost, it actually only guarantees the visa free movement of the citizens of member countries, not a free for all for anyone from a foreign country who wants to enter illegally.

 

Works for me.

No, you falsely declared something that is true to be false. The EU has been decades upon decades in the making.

Any taxes. Take your pick. The VAT perhaps.

Means quite a bit to us. We appreciate a few thousand extra jobs.

 

Fine then, prove that the EU was established to prevent future wars with Germany

So you don't have taxes where you live?

Sigh..
Did you graduate from college? University perhaps?

 

Yes. Besides, the Crusades.

 

Turkish President Erdogan declared his readiness to assist Belgium in fighting terrorism following Tuesday’s deadly terror attacks in the capital Brussels, which came less than a week after he had warned the EU that it could become a target for terror.

“There is no reason why the bomb that exploded in Ankara cannot explode in Brussels, where an opportunity to show off in the heart of the city to supporters of the terror organization is presented, or in any city in Europe. Despite this clear reality, European countries are paying no attention,” Erdogan said during a commemoration speech on Friday dedicated to a famous World War I battle in the Turkish town of Canakkale.

“I’m once again calling on the countries which directly or indirectly lend support to terror organizations: you are nursing a snake in your bosom. That snake you have been nourishing can bite you at any time,” he said, referring to the supporters of the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK), which is considered a terror organization by Turkish authorities.

Erdogan’s angry remarks came as he was criticizing the EU following a recent deadly car bombing in Ankara, which was claimed by the Kurdish group.

“I would like to underscore that we are ready to offer all kinds of support to our ally Belgium. The heinous attacks in Brussels clearly showed that terrorism cannot be a struggle for freedom and we must fight together against all kinds of terrorism,” Erdogan’s statement reads.

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Is Erdogan using Isis to get his revenge? Close members of his family have been proven to be working with ISIS


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Russia’s Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov is not one to mince words. Just a day after the downing of the Su-24 jet, he said that Russia had “serious doubts this was an unintended incident and believe that it is planned provocation” by Turkey. The emergency of photos of Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s son – Bilal Erdogan – being chummy with ISIS terrorists were accompanied by implications that the shooting of the plan had been “undertaken with a specific objective”, specifically illegal trade with the terrorist infrastructure.

Beyond the contrary stands of the allied members who fight it and condone it at the ssame time, ISIS has lasted so long due to the middlemen who fund it. One name keeps popping up as the man who brings ISIS oil to regional and European markets – Necmettin Bilal Erdogan, the current Turkish President’s third son who was born on April 23, 1980.

His ships are now in Syria, often implicated in the smuggling of illegal Iraqi and Islamic State oil through to the western supply chain. In Turkey, father-son ties are extremely important and even more so if you are an Islamist president who silently masterminds a deal that converts millions of barrels of Syrian Oil into revenue for ISIS. By feeding ISIS and keeping it alive, Erdogan also keeps his so-called “Neo-Ottoman Empire fantasies” on the burner.



And it’s not just the Russians that are implicating Erdogan. In October 2014, US Vice President Joe Biden told a Harvard gathering that Erdogan was backing ISIS with “hundreds of millions of dollars and thousands of tons of weapons.” He apologized later for permission to use Turkey’s Incirlik Air Base for air strikes against ISIS in Syria.

Syrian Information Minister Omran al-Zoubi who said the following on Friday: “All of the oil was delivered to a company that belongs to the son of Recep [Tayyip] Erdogan. This is why Turkey became anxious when Russia began delivering airstrikes against the IS infrastructure and destroyed more than 500 trucks with oil already. This really got on Erdogan and his company’s nerves. They’re importing not only oil, but wheat and historic artefacts as well."

Iraq’s former National Security Adviser Mowaffak al-Rubaie posted the following to his Facebook page on Saturday, November 28: “First and foremost, the Turks help the militants sell stolen Iraqi and Syrian oil for $20 a barrel, which is half the market price.”

Meanwhile, Bilal Erdogan now owns several maritime companies and special wharfs in Beirut and Ceyhan, while he has reportedly signed numerous contracts to take stolen oil to different Asian countries. Business is doing well for Bilal.

President Erdogan is a beaming dad who claims that international transportation conventions say that there is no legal infraction concerning Bilal’s illicit activities even though his son is up to the neck in complicity with terrorism though daddy will always protect him from judicial prosecution.

In fact, it isn’t just Bilal either, as the business has numerous close relatives involved with BMZ shares. A nurse implicated Bilal’s sister, Sumeyye Erdogan – daughter of the Turkish President – for running a secret hospital camp inside Turkey where Turkish army trucks bring wounded ISIS Jihadists for a quick patch-up job before being sent to Jihad with Syria. The nurse apparently worked there before it was discovered that she belonged to the same Alawite branch of Islam that the Syrian President Bashar Al-Assad belongs to.

According to Global Research, the London-educated Sumeyye’s name has been linked to ISIS in the past as well. She has faced severe criticism on more than one occasion for announcing that she wanted to travel to Mosul to aide the local residents under ISIS rule.

LEAKED: The phone-tapped conversation where Erdogan got the family to hide money:

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Transcript:

Dec 17, 2013 08:02 a.m.
RTE: Are you home son?
Bilal E(son): Yes father
RTE: Now! This morning [they] made an operation. Ali Agaoglu, Reza Zerrab, Erdogan’s [Bayraktar-ex minister] son, Zafer’s [Caglayan – ex-minister] son, Muammer’s [Guler – ex-minister] son, etc.. All their houses are being searched now.
BE: Tell again, daddy
RTE: I’m saying that Muammer’s son, Zafer’s son, Erdogan’s son, Ali Agaoglu, Reza Zerrab etc they are searching the houses of 18 people under a big corruption operation thing.
BE: yes
RTE: OK? Now, what I say is, you take everything that you have in the house out. OK?
BE: What can I have on me dad! There is your money in the safe
RTE: That’s what I am saying. Now, I am sending your sister. OK?
BE: You are sending who?
RTE: Your sister, I’m saying.
BE: Eh, OK
RTE: Then,… She has that information, OK. Talk with your big brother
BE: Yes
RTE: On him,,, Let’s do…, talk with your uncle too, he should also take out, also talk to your [maternal] uncle, he should also…
BE: What should we do with these daddy, where should we put them?
RTE: To specific places, to some specific places… do it
(A woman’s voice on background saying “Berat”)
BE: Berat also has some
RTE: That’s what I am saying. Now, get together, go get your uncle, I don’t know if Uncle Ziya has some, OK? Also immediately [inform] your brother Burak too.
NE: OK father. You mean Sumeyye, I mean take out, Sumeyye will tell me where to take them?
RTE: Yes, fine. C’mon now, do [it] think about yours among yourselves with your uncle, etc
NE: on what to do?
RTE: Yes, yes, let’s contact fast, until 10.00. Because the issue is…
NE: OK father
RTE: OK? Keep in touch
NE: OK daddy

2nd call 11.17
NE: Father, We got together with Brother Hasan etc. Brother Berat, my uncle, we are together, thinking about it. Berat has another idea. He says that let’s give some of it to Faruk [Kalyoncu] for the other “business/thing” so he can process them like the previous ones. Shall we do it, we can solve a big amount with this.
RTE: That may be
NE: OK. For the other part, because we started a business partnership with Mehmet Gur, we thought of giving it to him saying “keep it, as the projects come you can use from that. This way, we will be able to dissolve and move the rest to somewhere else.
RTE: OK, fine, as long as you do…
NE: OK
RTE: Did Sumeyye arrive?
NE: She arrived home, she’ll now come here. OK daddy, we will sort this out today, inshallah (with God’s permission). Anything else?
RTE: It would be good if you do… If you can dissolve them all.
BE: Yes, we will dissolve them all, inshallah

3rd call 15.39
RTE: Did you do the other tasks I gave you?
BE: We will finish them in the evening. We sorted some out; We sorted the Berat part, now we will first handle the part with Mehmet Gur and the rest, we will do that when it gets dark.
RTE:….
BE: Inshallah
RTE: What did Sumeyye do?
BE: She took them out, brought, we talked, etc.
RTE: Did she sort both sides?
BE: I think so daddy, she said she emptied both.
RTE: Both sides
BE: Yes, she said both of them, but you mean this by saying both sides, right?
RTE: Whatever. OK, fine
BE: What time will you arrive?
RTE: About 12
BE: Have a safe journey
RTE: Do not talk on the phone

4th call 23.15
BE: Hi daddy, I am calling to… we did [it] mostly. Eee, did you call me daddy?
RTE: No I did not, you called me
BE: I was called from a secret number
RTE: By saying mostly, did you fully dissolve it
BE: We did not zeroized it yet daddy. Let me explain.. We still have a 30 million euros that we could not yet dissolve. Berat thought of something.. There was an additional 25 million dollars that Ahmet Calik should receive. They say let’s give this [to him] there. When the money comes, we do [something], they say. And with the remaining money we can buy a flat from Sehrizar, he says. What do you say, father?
RTE: ….
(background soun: Ayyy)
BE: Daddy
RTE: Is Sumeyye with you?
BE: Yes with me, should I call her?
RTE: No, there was another sound, that’s why I asked
BE: Umm.. I mean, he can transfer 35 million dollars to Calik and buy a flat from Sherizar with the remaining.
RTE: Whatever, we will sort it
BE: Should we do it like this?
RTE: OK do it
BE: Do you want them all dissolved father, or do you want some money for yourself
RTE: No, it cannot stay, son. You could transfer that to the other, with Mehmet you could transfer it there…
BE: Yes, we gave to them. We gave 20 to them
RTE: For God’s sake, first you should’ve transferred you could then do…
BE: we were able to give this much for now, it is hard already, it takes too much space. We are putting some of it to another place, we gave part of it to Tunc, and then…
RTE: did you transfer all to Tunc?
BE: (Sumeyye, can you come) Where, father?
RTE: To Tunc, I say, did you transfer all to Tunc?
BE: They asked, I guess he said that he could take 10 million euros.
RTE: Whatever. Do not talk this like this on this.
BE: OK, then, we will sort it as such
RTE: Ok do it. I am not able to come tonight, I will stay in Ankara
BE:OK, we are sorting it out. You do not worry

5th call
RTE. I wondered if everything is fine, so I called
BE: No, nothing. We finished the tasks you gave us, with the help of the God
RTE: Is it all zeroed?
BE: Fully, I mean saying zeroed, how should I put it? I had Samandira and Maltepe’s money, 730.000 USD and 300.000 TL. I will handle these too. We owe 1 million TL to Faruk İsik (AKP MP); I will give those to him and tell him to transfer the rest to the academy.
RTE: Do not talk openly
BE: Should’t I talk?
RTE: Do not talk, OK?
BE: OK daddy
RTE: I mean, do not keep anything on you, whatever it is Samandira or whatever… Send it to where it needs to be, where do you keep it?
BE: OK daddy, but I think currently we are under surveillance
RTE: What have I been telling to you since the very beginning!
BE: But is it the bodyguard team? Who is following us father?
RTE: Son, you are being tapped
BE: But they are also visually monitoring, they say
RTE: That may be true. Now, we did some things (meaning intervention) in Istanbul security.

 

True. What were those Western xenophobic bigots thinking of not liking Muslim invasions, slave trading, and establishment of Islamic Law?

 

In what way does that mean I support the EU? Wether or not I support the EU has not even been slightly hinted at. But you don't have to support the EU to see that the EU is in no danger whatsoever of breaking up in 92 days. In other words you are a fool.

Ohhhh... An Internet tough guy. You must be one tough badass. (Probably some fat kid with a dungeons and dragons t shirt)

 

But why are the elites doing this?

What do they get out of it?