Why would God create billions of other galaxies?

Also since there is so much space-time between stars the Andromeda Galaxy will simply pass into the Milky Way and a new larger galactic system will be born.

AA

 

Nothing in the bible says we're the only creation or life directly. People might infer that I suppose but there's nothing of substance there.

However to engage the thought experiment: Being God he knows that 1) humans breed and breed and breed and that causes problems. 2) humans will murder each other over the smallest of slights or perceived differences (in fact the bible has the first murder being a fratricide over perceived unfairness) much less over not having enough breathing room 3) humans are hard on their environment 4) the way to solve 1 2 and 3 is for there to be an essentially infinite universe that humans can spread to to get far far far far far away from each other.

 

I've seen the equation (Drake's right?) as well and tend to agree with it. I wonder what your explanation to Fermi's Paradox is?

 

That's correct, the only sorta unknown is if gravitational forces will sling us out into deep space, into the new center, or into another goldilocks zone.

 

Fermi's Paradox states that if there was Advanced and Intelligent Life out there why would they not have visited us.

Here's the thing.....I am a...."CIVILIAN"....in the manner the quotes denote who has run a Team of the very best the U.S. Military has to offer and sometimes both British and Aussie SAS.

Years ago I was asked to do a JOB...as I can refuse....that required a certain level of NEED TO KNOW.

Because of this I am 100% certain that E.T. is a reality and I don't just think that or wish that or ponder that....I KNOW...with 100% certainty.

I wish I never had this need to know.

AA

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Well some systems will be lost to deep space but the majority will be captured.

AA

 

Because we aren't smart enough to see other life, doesn't mean it isn't there. I for one would stake my life on there being life on Europa. Because we as a civilization haven't figured out how to get through the logistics of getting through the ice to the ocean below does not mean there is no life there, it only means we aren't smart enough to check yet. Life on earth could have been seeded from a celestial impact that took place before the earth was formed, or it could have existed in the comets that crashed into earth and brought life here. Likewise, impacts to our planet could give rise to life on other planets eons from now. Life if ubiquitous.

 

Life is life. Fermi's is about technic life. Me personally I've always gone with one of 2 answers: 1) as technology increases, the likelihood of destroying your entire species increases. None of them have made it past nukes and bio weapons (or dropping rocks down the grav well from a ship) or 2) They certainly do exist and are hiding from each other because if they're anything like us not only do they kill each other at the drop of a hat but are likely to be xenophobic as well (in a Warhammer 40k "exterminate the xenos" sort of way)

 

I would go with 3) Life exists everywhere, the problem is we all live in the same universe with the same laws of physics that prevent us all from travelling across distances so vast that the human mind cant grasp.

 

Why does an artist paint a picture?

 

If an advanced civilization makes it through the period humanity is in now and develops a working Unified Field Theory they will develop viable Interstellar Travel via Fold Space Drive.

Once a civilization develops and understands a UFT....everything they will ever need is at their fingertips.

All that is left is scientific curiosity.

AA

 

Why did you post quotes from the Bible to substantiate your claim?

 

That might be true but the more tech they acquire the easier it is to destory your species. Even by accident.

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Why no radio signals then? Ours has propagated quite far.

 

because of the distances involved. As I said before, the human mind simply cant grasp the distances. The human race could be extinct well before any radio signals hit a planet with intelligent life, much less advanced life, but lets say it did, by the time the signals return we will also be extinct. Also they degrade. After a few light years you aren't going to be able to hear elvis. You are going to be lucky to have someone listening for our organized static. Look at earth, how many people are actively listening in all directions for the same thing. Statistically, 0.

 

True....but if they make it....they are Golden.

AA

 

Not to mention what people dont grasp is, lets for a moment say a civilization has done this, why do people here on Earth think they would come here or even want to come here or even know where here is. Our mediocre galaxy alone is so vast that a civilization could travel like this for eons and still not ever find us. This assuming that their lifeform is even compatible with ours. They might look at our planet the way we look at venus and not even bother. Water planet? F that, we need liquid methane.

 

Why would God create ducks with spiked penises or animals that cannibalize each other? Or babies born with cancer? It looks pretty random to me.

 

The SETI program etc

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Yeah you'd think at a certain point it would work the other way. They'd be so advanced that nothing could harm them. Even themselves. At least not on that grand a scale.

 

Hold on. If you believe in a god, as you said. And God has created the universe, as you said. Then you are a creationist, as you denied.

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A flat earth. He created a thread that proved a flat earth. /sarcasm on the proof part.

 

God is one of the greatest figures of universe, one of the biggest angels but he has his own secret that is guarded from fanatic angels. That is, he goes crazy from time to time and thinks that he creates the creator, the nature there it is!

 

SETI was the statistical zero I was talking about. Listening to every square inch of the sky in all directions is one thing, analyzing that data is another. Most people would simply rather enjoy their lives rather than analyze noise data that will most likely never produce a valid hit. Again because of the size and distances involved.

 

Why doesn't everybody?

 

1. Because it is humorously illogical to say "The Bible is a history and science text" or even "The Bible proves the Bible is true."


2. Curious on my earlier point.....you DON'T believe there are extra-solar planetary bodies orbiting other stars....

even though we have scientific instrumention (Hubble, Kepler) that have detected them???

 

The universe is finite. It had an instant of beginning and has expanded at a finite rate since.

There is mutual gravitational attraction between galaxies under the general flow of expansion that could cause collision, but expansion at the moment overcomes that weaker attraction. At the galaxy's local level it's a different story.

Dark energy, if current theories prove out, provides the acceleration of the expansion of the universe, a constant outward force that does not dilute as the universe expands. This makes it stronger than the sum gravitational pull from the rest of the matter and energy in the universe. Early, when the universe was much denser, the attractive force of gravity was overcoming expansion; clouds of gas condensed to form clusters, clusters drew together to form galaxies. A bit more matter around and the universe might have started to collapse before it ever had the chance to accelerate. But matter and energy dilute as the universe expands and in this formative ballet of Creation, dark energy began to dominate. For the last six billion years, the expansion on average, been accelerating. About 4.5BYA the Angels shouted for joy as God fashioned the Earth.

Galaxies that had been pulled together before the universe began accelerating can still crash if between them they have the matter and energy to overcome dark energy. The Andromeda galaxy for example is coming our way, and in just a few billion years, well you have seen the movies where Bruce Willis saves us from an asteroid? Not sure just what he is going to do with a whole galaxy.

Our galaxy is in a grouping that includes Andromeda, the Magellanic Clouds and about 35 other galaxies, all part of a cluster called Virgo. We all will travel the expanding universe universe together and we had better learn to get along. Any galaxies that didn't join when they could have missed their chance now that acceleration has increased. Our group, like most groups will no longer interact with others, though we will continue to interact with ourselves as we drift together through the expanding cosmos.

 

Yes it does, but on other levels the universe is precisely balanced on a knife’s edge.

http://www.physicsoftheuniverse.com/topics_bigbang_accelerating.html

As always in these discussions, there is abundant evidence for both the Theist and Atheist position which preserves our freewill. We can intellectually maintain and support the choice to believe, and just as strongly support the choice not to believe. It really is up to us.

 

I always say this...


In a "remarkable coincidence"....there is EXACTLY THE SAME AMOUNT of "Free Will that God gives us" in the Universe.....

as there would be if God didn't exist.