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Islam works fine for everyone, from the Arabs to the Indonesians. The same can't be said for Westernism, which doesn't work fine for anyone involved.

 

Wow. Bush had almost 90% opinion poll support for the invasion at the time. He bullied every Democrat in Congress with that support. Where were you?

 

Wait, I thought it was because of WMD? Or because Saddam Hussein supported Al Qaeda? Or because He thought Saddam dissed his Daddy?

 

What are you talking about? We have good schools, good homes, good hospitals, good employment and cultural opportunities, fantastic recreation facilities. We have more food than we need; obesity is a major health concern. The West is a wonderful place to live when bloody foreigners aren't flying planes into our buildings.

 

Tunisia, Lebanon, Turkey, Morocco-all Islamic countries, all have democratically-elected governments.

 

You don't remember "democracies do not fight each other"? I surely do. You don't remember the purple thumbs? I surely do.

 

I never said Westernism was inherently evil; nor did I argue that it can't produce good things. Notice however how your list solely includes things of worldly benefits. Westernism is solely concerned with the material, and that alone makes all the good that comes from it not worth it.

 

For those that are concerned with spiritual things, we have every religion imaginable available to them. And for those that want no part of religion, they are not forced to participate.

 

Has nothing to do with your post that I responded did, but nice attempt at a dodge.

 

Sure, but no matter what Western or Westernized country you point to, spirituality is all but dead or dying. This is not mere coincidence.

 

Yes we have.

Europe was not a Democracy at the times you are speaking of.

As to the muslim conquests you got to give it to them. Sad tough that it was all built around mohammad and when he died their unified empire went to (*)(*)(*)(*)

 

And I can argue that the Muslim world isn't Islamic nowadays.

As to the Islamic Empire, it formed some decades after the death of the Prophet and lasted for centuries.

 

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This is a good analogy. We need to leave the desert countries to their own decisions. I wish I could find a chart to show what % of each GDP was on oil. Those countries are absolutely screwed when oil is gone and we have new energy plans It has been shown how bad it would be with the drop in oil prices now.

Their religion holds them back from growing in many ways.

It would be unteresting to see what wouold happen if .... that mongol I cant rememner his name, never destroyed Baghdad.

That is a slippery slope because you could do that with all cultures.

What would happen if Rome was never conquered?
Constantinople
Memphis
Carthage
Basically all of the Americas
The list could go on and on

 

You are projecting Europe history in Islam.

 

I disagree with that. You are saying that an empire was anything that fell under this religion. If so isnt the Pope the same thing and if we are using that stance we could say the Christian Empire had dominated for two millennia.

Otherwise the Muslim lands were broken apart into several "dynasties". Here is a good source to see.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Muslim_empires_and_dynasties

I will give you that things would look drastically different if Baghdad didn't get annihilated by that Mongol guy. Talk about scorched earth...

However again, using that stance you can go on and on with almost endless cities..

Memphis
Uruq
Babylon
Carthage
Rome
Constantinople

The list goes on and on. Wish we could see how each world would look!

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No chance that the majority of people believe you on this one.

But we can agree to disagree I suppose.


Ugh, so many mistakes. Sorry, writing from my phone at the car wash

Edit #2 - lol, like quoting you to do my edit. Again, my sincere apologies.

 

I love all these arguments about what happened centuries ago. The point is about TODAY!

You are looking at millions of people who have never attended real schools but underwent regimentation by Muslim authorities who want to keep them ignorant. Their only experience is tribalism and the concept of individual responsibility and freedom doesn't exist in their world. NOW!

 

Of course you don't; Islam supplements its belief system with violence.

 

Please define "Westernism" and how this differs from "Christianity".

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Against it, but not in Congress, nor were my friends and acquaintances.

 

What does this even mean?

 

Actually, it leads to many who have a surfeit of such things and begin to look for something higher--genuinely, and of their own volition, without being forced.

 

Strictly speaking, Westernism is based on the secular ideas of man, ideas that revolve around the notions of individual freedom.

Christianity is based on the teachings of the alleged son of God, and rests upon the belief of accepting Him as savior in order to attain eternal bliss.

Westernism has nothing to do with Jesus.

 

Don't play dumb.

 

Except that you don't in reality.

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No, I'm genuinely interested.

 

Of course we do; the secular media either doesn't report it or secularizes the stories.

Check out what ISIS is doing. It's all based on statements by Mohammed.

 

Muslims are very hospitable; of course they are not going to expose the gory truths at the root of Islam to a guest.