Teachers claim hundreds from high school will graduate even though they shouldn't

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  1. Steve N

    Steve N Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Is this what our tax dollars are for? Is this what liberals say more money will fix?

    I have no doubt that many of the poor performers here are not the fault of the teacher, but of the parents. At the same time, some are the fault of the teachers and the school districts, and instead of doing what they're paid to do and want more money for, they just move meat.

    In my mind this is fraud, this is no better than the cheating scandals where school administrators falsified grades in order to get more bonus money because in the end the result is the same: Uneducated kids graduating from high school.

     
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    And many of them will come to some message board and talk down at the "uneducated" masses. It's already happening it seems. :giggle:
     
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    just to extend your thought and show the blame related to the education system, when I was in school a 70 was considered a D- and anything below that was failing... now if a kid gets a 60 its considered a D- and anything below is considered "incomplete" and they can be coached through some material to achieve a D- on that incomplete work... its how countless teachers "move meat" as you said... we keep lowering the bar, and extending the rules to allow more people to just walk over the line... why would these kids ever try if they've learned they will simply be moved along... this is the reason why people demand "passing exams" to move to the next grade level... you can take this test as many times as you want, but if you can't pass it, you can't move on... and each time they take it the questions are reshuffled and the multiple choice answers are moved to different letters, so the student can't just memorize enough to get passed along... this is a teachers worst fear, not being able to "move meat"...

    P.S. this is also why third parties should have to administer the tests, to ensure teachers don't erase answers and fill in unanswered questions for students like we've seen across this nation several times already when teacher bonuses were tied to results, or the school didn't want to lose funding for failing...
     
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    I've been dealing with a lot of jr. high students lately, and it's pretty depressing. This year, I've never heard so much profanity and disrespect as I did from these kids. Never. Meanwhile, we have several kids with straight or nearly straight F's that we're promoting off to high school, and no one cares because the word from on high is Just Say No - to social promotion. The kids have pretty much figured it out: They can misbehave as much as they want and fail spectacularly - and still go off to high school. And we as authority figures? We got nuthin'.

    Up until around November, I really well and truly loved my job. This November was the first time I seriously started thinking about retiring. Yes - it's that bad. And I've barely scratched the surface.
     
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    Doesn't the constitution guarantee US kids the right to fail? The buck doesn't stop in USA, it is highly mobile and others will now get a chance to make a buck off these kids.
     
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    Check abc.com or cnn.com for teacher performance based bonuses, see what you can find.
     
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    How much, specifically, are we talking about these students missing

    I see two scenario, one is the otherwise good student lacking the proverbial half credit in phys ed or somesuch, In that case it doesn't seem right to delay or cancel a graduation they've worked hard for just because "rules are rules" even though we all know how much cons love to crush people with them.

    The other is a kid who was passed through because he wasn't there and didn't care. In his case all he/she generaly wants out of HS is OUT. In his case a few sessions of the Pearl Poet aren't really going to make that much difference anyway

    And it's not hard to tell that all the ones crying the most here are the same ones that are all for college remaining an expensive impossibility for low income students. I've met more than a few bright 10th graders who want to quit high school and go for Microsoft Certification (or whatever the good certificates are nowadays) and I can't honestly think of any good reason why they shouldn't.
     
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    this is the republicans no child left behind.... drag them along even if they can't pass program

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    Yes, the education system is run almost exclusively by Democrats at every level, but it's Bush's fault. 😉. No Democrats signed the bill or nuthin....derp.


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    no it's not, not sure where you get that idea from

    in fact many of the school books are decided by Texas

    republicans in the school are often just more concerned with proselytizing students then educating them

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  13. Stuart Wolfe

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    There's so much wrong here in just three sentences it might be some kind of record. First, it's almost always the local school board that decides what books serve the district, NOT Texas or the state in general. I know; I've sat in on meetings deciding which book to use in our district myself, and the state had no say in which book we chose. Beyond that - good luck finding many Republicans in the school system. It really is a hugely Democrat member profession, and the few GOPers here keep their heads down; I have definitely seen far more Dem teachers spreading their political beliefs to the kidlets than republicans.
     
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    good read

    "How Texas Inflicts Bad Textbooks on Us"

    http://www.nybooks.com/articles/2012/06/21/how-texas-inflicts-bad-textbooks-on-us/

    "No matter where you live, if your children go to public schools, the textbooks they use were very possibly written under Texas influence. If they graduated with a reflexive suspicion of the concept of separation of church and state and an unexpected interest in the contributions of the National Rifle Association to American history, you know who to blame."
     
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    Because given a choice between someone with high school and a Microsoft cert, or just the Microsoft cert, they will choose the person with both. Not finishing high school is an indication of a problem--either behavior, academic, attitude or work ethic, IMHO.
     
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    so since republicans have had control of congress, how many education bills have they passed?
     
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    I believe homework assignments could be done with YouTube.
     
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    I've been screaming this for years... We have nationwide record low reading and math efficiency test scores but record high graduation rates... This adds up about as much as the low unemployment rate matches up to those who are unemployed... These are the kids that are being traumatized on college campuses everywhere over chalk doodles. This is also why I laugh when I hear a liberal claim that people with a college education are more likely to vote democratic, and hear claims that it's because they're smart.
     
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    That's right! My fiance graduated 12 years after me (me 1998, her 2010), from the same school. Now that you mention that, I remembered that she told me how 90-100 was an A, 80-89 was a B, 70-79 was a C, and 60 - 69 was a D. I was thinking about how I wish it was like that when I was in school... 95-100 was an A for me, 90-94 a B, and so on.


    ETA: But it shows... I can look down the thread of a picture or something on FB that she posted and there are grammar mistakes all throughout it from the people she graduated with, most of who graduated or still attend college.

    I got tagged in my graduation picture a year or two ago, and all of us that commented on it were all grammatically correct. It's like teachers don't give two craps about grammar anymore, or are afraid to say something about it.
     
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    I don't know if you're in CA like your location flag indicates, but I've noticed that lots of public schools over there have started looking more and more like recess at a prison. Brawls, fights, kids dying...
     
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    Ok, so you don't like rules and hate that Conservatives follow them... We get that part. But when I was in school, if you were half a credit short of graduation, you could either speak with the teachers about what can be done to graduate, or you could wait until the next year and go for one period. The choice was yours, but thems wuz the rules and you had to follow them. Strangely enough, it's kids from them days that also know how to follow the rules these days and stay out of trouble. Crazy ain't it.
     
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    And just like Affirmative Action, it did its job for a while and is now useless and being abused. Time for a Republican to repeal it and make America great again.
     
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    what purpose did it solve?
     
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    what has the republican controlled congress been waiting for then?
     
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    Since we're on the topic of education here, I just want to confirm whether you're saying the Republicans are more concerned with students will be proselytized and THEN educated, or more concerned with being proselytized THAN educated.
     

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