Why is a Border Wall RACIST?

That's the American spirit! Except the complete opposite...


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I would not believe that you read 41 volumes of anything. Still, a report is only someone's research and carries no weight in the legal arena. You'd be hard pressed to make a case for it being even persuasive authority.

Given that you cannot understand that improper entry is civil law and the statutes you are citing are irrelevant to improper entry (since many are not caught at the border - and the ones that are do get deported) and are inapplicable to the facts at hand I don't know how much value to place on anything in your report without reading it in context.

Along with this unhealthy obsession, you seem not to understand that applying a statute in a given way is much like tossing a heavy rock into a still pond. It creates ripples that continue right to the end of the pond. Thomas Paine once stated:

"He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself."

What this means is that the precedent you set today may come back to bite you in the arse later. If you jeopardize another man's Liberty for your gain, then the principles you set may be used to misinterpret statutes later on down the road that affect you. So, one day YOU could be facing a criminal penalty for a civil violation of the law.

In any event, you (nor anyone else) has ever made a case against the foreigners on economic grounds. Those people who have been in business understand the way wealth is created - which is why the foreigners are here. History proves that socialism and fascism will not provide you any relief. The anti-immigrant lobby have forced through the most massive increases in federal spending over the immigration issue and they are never satisfied.

Your side gave us the so - called "Patriot Act," National ID / REAL ID Act, creation of the Dept. of Homeland (IN) Security, an end to the concept of innocent until proven guilty, the evisceration of the Fourth Amendment with a good assault against the Second Amendment. You set the constitutionalist / Patriot Movement back a good 50 years and for what??? The most likely victim of your lobbying efforts has been the American citizen.

 

If Apacherat were correct, the United States would go bankrupt feeding, housing, clothing and providing for the undocumented foreigner while we pay their attorneys to delay their cases. The anti - immigrants are sincere in their beliefs, but they are sincerely wrong.

 

Where to start ?

The volumes aren't thick books with 500 hundred pages, many could be called pamphlets.

For example;

Vol 5 is "Dictionary of Races or People"

Vol 8 & 9 covered " Iron and Steel Manufacturing"

Vol 13 "Slaughtering and Meat Packing."

Vol 19-20 "Summary Report on Immigrants in Manufacturing and Mining."

Vol 23-24 "Japanese and Other Immigrant Races in the Pacific Coast and Rocky Mountain States"

Vol 34-35 "Immigrants as Charity Seekers."

Vol 40 "The Immigration Situation in other Countries: Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Argentina, Brazil"


8 U.S.C. § 1325 : US Code - Section 1325: Improper entry by alien

http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/uscode/8/12/II/VIII/1325

 

Why are you using "murica" and the like? Do you not feel any respect for this nation?

 

"Murica" is code for hating America.

 

The American spirit doesn't know you.

 

In the case of entering the country illegally, the resolution is deportation.

 

But we can't build a wall to keep people from coming ILLEGALLY from any of those other places, with the exception of Canada, right?

Whether we build a wall or not, what is wrong with wanting people to obey immigration laws or to try to stop those who don't? Wherever they may come from?

 

No, I hear the right talk about people living here illegally, period.
When the issue is people crossing our southern borders illegally, which is a huge issue, then why would Canadians be discussed?

 

How do we guard miles and miles of border? Do we have enough personnel to accomplish this?

 

And deportation is a civil procedure, not a criminal one.

 

As I've stated, I worked in immigration law for six years. And you just did yourself an injustice.

Right there, in your own post you added the term criminal penalties and then used a link as if you just cited the law. By your own link, it absolutely does not say criminal penalties. Having explained this stuff to you time and time again, you don't get it while others do.

Lying about what the statute says don't change the facts.

If you would take the time to READ what you cite, the analogies I used in previous posts become painfully obvious.

If you evade the authorities; if you lie to them; if you try to use fake papers and / or commit marriage fraud to effect an improper entry, you can be tried under Title18 (EIGHTEEN) for those crimes. Improper Entry is NOT a Title 18 crime.

Now you cited your little study for us and told us how you read all of it when you didn't bother to read the simple statute you quoted. So, let me explain it to you:

Title 8 (EIGHT) of the United States Code Annotated governs immigration. It is civil law.

Title 18 (EIGHTEEN) of the United States Code Annotated is the CRIMINAL CODE. When Title 8 (specifically 8 USC 1325) discusses criminal offenses, the statute specifically states that a person can be tried, separate and apart, from the improper entry. Let me give you some more proof... Proof I've given you in over a dozen other threads like this one. Congress tried to change Title 8 USC 1325 so it was a crime. The bill failed. Here's a cut and paste of the proposed amendment to that section:

"SEC. 203. IMPROPER ENTRY BY, OR PRESENCE OF, ALIENS.

Section 275 of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1325) is amended--

(1) in the section heading, by inserting `UNLAWFUL PRESENCE;' after `IMPROPER TIME OR PLACE;';"

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/109/hr4437/text

IF the law you're quoting means what you claim it means, how come you suppose Congress tried to change the wording of it? It's because it does not mean what you keep claiming. You're wrong on this point, so it's highly doubtful you understand what you're reading. As for the balance of your claims, it's been asked and answered - and unequivocally proven that you are wrong.

 

May I draw you an analogy?

Suppose you're walking through the city park one night. You pass a fenced off area with signs that tell you not to enter by order of City Ordinance 666. There is a hole in that fence and you see a car sinking in the pond. Then you hear a woman screaming about her baby. So, do you ignore the sign and rush to try and help OR do you ignore her and let her and the baby drown?

Passing a law to regulate an activity is something we can all support. OTOH, for most people wanting to come here as GUESTS, there is no credible method of entry. Remember a few posts back how Apacherat argued for theH-2A visas were the "legal" way in. Then I told him that those visas did not cover fast food workers, most construction workers, etc.???

If you created a method of entry where the foreigners from south of the border did not have to give up their first year's expected wages to get here and / or work as drug mules, those people would come through the proper channels. If not, then even the United States Supreme Court has ruled that we are under no obligation to obey unconstitutional laws.

Employers ignore the laws; landlords ignore them; even the government ignores the immigration laws because government cannot enforce them without violating someone else's equal protection of the laws. And if your child was sick or hungry and someone offered you a job, you'd do the same thing. If you say you wouldn't even the anti-immigrants couldn't have much sympathy for you as a human being.

 

OMFG !!!

You are part of the problem why our borders are still wide open and why our immigration laws are not being enforced.

 

I work for a school district so I see many of these families. I completely understand why they want to come here.
Which is why this issue is hard for me. Just speaking from the school's standpoint, we are stretched to the limit. We have so many federal mandates regarding not only educating immigrants (whether legal or illegal) who can't speak English, but also special education students, the list goes on and on.
I really don't know how much more we can realistically do. It has become overwhelming in many ways.
So, yeah, I admit I'm torn on this subject.

 

Yes, I remember Waco and Ruby Ridge quite well. And the MOVE fire too, for that matter. It's been a while since I read up on the details, but as I recall while I certainly do not hold law enforcement blameless in those incidents, I have considerably less sympathy for the Weavers and the Branch Davidians than you seem to. However be that as it may, law enforcement confronting armed groups is a far different situation than the military being order to fire on unarmed civilians. (Yes, I know that the National Guard was involved at Waco, but it was in a support role.) It of course depends on the individuals involved and the exact circumstances, but I think the military might refuse such orders, not that they necessarily would. I certainly wouldn't bet my life on it.

I do agree with you that the police power necessary to hunt down undocumented immigrants is frightening in its implications.

Right, because knowing that the sand n****** are out to get you far outweighs any facts or actual economic numbers.

Only the likes of the Klan and the NeoNazis attack the SPLC as a radical left wing hate group. Glad to see you've finally grown the spine to publicly state your allegiances.

Right, since why should you care if you kill or maim a bunch of brown people? It's not like they're actually human or anything, right?

The American spirit is the spirit of the free and the brave, not of those so terrified of people who speak funny and look different that they have to hide behind a wall. The American spirit is the spirit of freedom and justice for all, not just for white folks who sound like you. The American spirit is the spirit that says, "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free," not the spirit that demands racial purity. The American spirit is the spirit that believes that all men are created equal, even if they happen to be born on the other side of the river.

 

Morris Dees and the SPLC “king of the hate business.”

FBI Dumps Southern Poverty Law Center as Hate Crimes Resource -> http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2014/03/26/fbi-dumps-southern-poverty-law-center/

 

LOL. Ok, lets do it your way, and hollow out the jobs in America until the suffering is so great, even you would be hanged from an oak tree. If you do not regulate capitalism, you get a giant sucking sound, per Perot. You create income disparity that is now greater than the gilded age, the last time neoliberalism was used.

The free market has never existed. It is nothing more than a philosophical ideal. For the elites cannot max out their income and wealth with it. So, they buy the policy that rigs the system. So they can keep a greater share of the income pie. We went a long way in correcting this, and created the largest middle class in world history, and still had our rich elites. But they were not as rich as they could be, and greed is insatiable, and so the GOP brought back gilded age neoliberalism, and it is hollowing out America. But America is not important. Only profits are. It is a treasonous way to think.

So, now people like you have gone so far as to say that employers can break the law, and hire illegals. That making money is so damned sacred that it trumps the rule of law. Preposterous.

If you want to stop illegal immigration, you start locking these law breaking employers up, provide a toll free number so citizens can turn them in, and you fix the illegal immigration problem in quick order. Employers are not above the law. They should not be protected but gone after the way the police go after a meth dealer.

 

only lousy capitalists fail to make money with a monopoly.

 

So is removing a pile of poop from the sidewalk. It's still against the law to put it there. Our immigration laws are far more important. Likewise order and the general rule of law.

 

there should be a law that requires capitalists to make money with their capital, public policies.

 

If we can secure our border without a wall, why build a wall? If we can't secure it without a wall, why not? Only crazed Leftists claim it is "racist" to secure our border when the U.S. has 69 treaties with other countries where we would have to defend them and their borders.

Are these treaties "racist"?

 

I'm pretty sure the American spirit isn't about gunning down unarmed people from atop some stupid fortress wall.


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Reasons the wall is a terrible idea or won't work:

1) people will go over it
2) people will go under it
3) people will be brought in by American citizens looking to make a buck
4) it would cost a fortune
5) the Rio Grande sits where the wall would need to go in several areas and you cannot disturb a river that way
6) There aren't roads leading to many areas the wall would be located, so now you're talking about building roads simply to get supplies and crews out there
7) most immigrants come in legally and overstay their visa, not over the open border
migratory wildlife would not be able to pass through
9) it would take years and years and years, and so many resources. Meanwhile we have lead in our water and potholes my car would fit in. Sure would be nice if construction resources could be used for those kinds of things instead
10) the maintenance would be never ending. We can't even keep up with basic road maintenance everywhere in the US

I'm not saying we don't have an immigration issue, we do. The wall however will not solve a darned thing, in fact it will just create problems. I agree with some of the other posters. If you really want it to slow down then go after employers who are hiring undocumented workers! That would slow it down far more effectively than some dumb wall.



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