Questions for Holocaust deniers

of course it was, but you cant show to anyone because its a overwhelming secret right?

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oh yeh, I remember those horrific conditions, the allies bombed all the food convoys, think that had anything to do with it? Nah.....

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I know several, and they are jewish

That aside would you classify public knowledge of building 7 as being suppressed? I do why because attention was on everything but the smoking gun, brought to you by gubmint and gubmint controlled media.

 

800,000 Jews shipped to Treblinka.

no records of them being shipped out.

Wo haben die Juden gegangen?

 

well then find the damn records

 

Jews were not the only victims of this Nazi German killing machine - historians estimate that among the people sent to Auschwitz there were at least 1,100,000 Jews from all the countries of occupied Europe, over 140,000 Poles (mostly political prisoners), approximately 20,000 Gypsies from several European countries, over 10,000 Soviet prisoners of war, and over 10,000 prisoners of other nationalities.


so where are the missing Jews?

 

So you are championing killing people by starvation and disease by packing em in tight in concentration camps. How about working and beating em to death? How about just plain shooting them in the head? Big of you.

Somehow everyone got fed except them.

 

and now the deniers say that without a ceath certificate, there is no death.

so I guess no Jews died during WW2.

how nice.

 

You know several people who were at Auschwitz and did any of them tell you it was a fun place?

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=auschwitz+survivors+tell+their+story

Do you believe all these people are lying about their experiences at Auschwitz? Are you really saying you believe the Jewish Holocaust never happened and that Auschwitz was really a party place?

Yes of course, I only learned about it in 2004. Note I do not deny that the Dresden massacre is being suppressed.

 

I am not going to hand you volumes of research on a silver platter when you could find it yourself.
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I haven't come to any firm conclusions yet but there seem to be a lot of lies in the official story. There also seem to have been a lot of verifiable atrocities. We have to figure out which ones were the real ones and which ones were the lies and exaggerations.

I've only scanned this on-line book but it was written by a former concentration camp prisoner who says there were atrocities in the camps but maintains there were no gas chambers.
http://ihr.org/books/rassinier/debunking.shtml

I scanned it more than a year ago so I might have missed something or got something wrong so let me know if you find something important.


Check out what this book says on page 32.
http://vho.org/aaargh/fran/livres3/HoaxV2.pdf

Here it is in case it goes off-line.

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The 1939 study of Arthur Ruppin, Professor of Jewish Sociology at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, gave 16,717,000 Jews in the world in 1938. 17 Because Ruppin (who passed away in 1943) was considered the fore-most expert on such matters, on account of many writings on the subject over a period of many years, the estimates of other pre-war sources tend to agree with him. Thus the American Jewish Committee estimate for 1933, which ap-
pears in the 1940 World Almanac, was 15,315,359. The World Almanac figure for 1945 is 15,192,089 (page 367); no source is given but the figure is appar-ently based on some sort of religious census. The 1946 World Almanac re-vised this to 15,753,638, a figure which was retained in the editions of 1947 (page 74, 1948 (page 572) and 1949 (page 289). The 1948 World Almanac (page 249) also gives the American Jewish Committee estimate for 1938 (sic
), 15,688,259 while the 1949 World Almanac (page 204) reports new figures from the American Jewish Committee which were developed in 1947-1948: 16,643,120 in 1939 and 11,266,600 in 1947.
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The Holocaust revisionists' position isn't that there were no camps. Their position is that the camps were slave-labor camps but not death camps. All the horror stories I've heard are consistent with the slave-labor camp scenario which would explain the tatooed numbers on peoples arms, etc.

There's more info in post #2 of this thread of mine.
http://www.flinttalk.com/viewtopic.php?t=12196&start=0


Mind you I still haven't formed a firm opinion as new info may appear but right now I'd say the camps existed and a lot of the horror stories such as summary executions of people caught committing sabotage in the arms factories were true but I'd bet there were no gas chambers.

Watch some of David Irving's videos. He say that when the Germans deliberately killed Jews, they lined them up along a ditch and shot them. If I remember correctly, he says that close to three hundred thousand Jews died that way.

Here's some more info.

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v21/v21n3p24_weber.html
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Until 1989, notes Meyer, it was forbidden in eastern Europe to dispute the official finding that four million were killed at Auschwitz. At the Auschwitz State Museum, staff members who expressed doubts about this figure were threatened with disciplinary measures. In 1989 Israeli Holocaust historian Yehuda Bauer said that it is time to finally acknowledge that the familiar four million figure is a deliberate myth. /7 In July 1990 the Auschwitz State Museum, a Polish government agency, along with Israel's Yad Vashem Holocaust Center, announced that altogether perhaps one million people (both Jews and non-Jews) died at Auschwitz. / 8
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https://socioecohistory.wordpress.c...number-of-holocaust-dead-drop-to-2-8-million/

 

The american and UK gubmint tell their people lies?

Say its just not true!

 

No this guy isnt lying, while they were drinking beer dresden and several other towns many like dresden were not military targets.

Oh so you champion burning alive 1/2 million people eh

Hitler couldnt even light his cigar right compared to the allied holocaust!

Here is the
DRESDEN HOLOCAUST
BROUGHT TO YOU BY THE GOOD GUYS
THE UK AND US!
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Many of the bodies are so badly burned you cant even separate them from the rubble.


Theres what your heros did, the sunza (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)es should have been sitting in nuremburg and hung just as high as everyone else!

That (*)(*)(*)(*) was premeditated and planned by the US and the UK to inflict as much terror as possible and literally level the whole country. This is disturbing that you would champion the perps as the 'good guys'.

The UK and the US bombed the food supply lines that is why so may starved, the rest was typhoid nothing Hitler could do about that since he no longer had any zyklon b to kill the parasites.

 

C'mon man, I wasn't asking you about that guy and you know it, I was asking you if you believe all the people in the videos I posted a link to are lying.

I also asked you 2 other questions that you didn't answer:

1. You [claim to] know several people who were at Auschwitz and did any of them tell you it was a fun place?

2. Are you really saying you believe the Jewish Holocaust never happened and that Auschwitz was really a party place?

 

I wanted to post this yesterday but the page kept coming up blank.
http://www.zundelsite.org/assets/981005.html

I'm going to copy and paste the whole article in case it disappears as sometimes happens.

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As the so-called "Holocaust" reveals itself more and more as the chameleon it is under the influence of a changing political environment, the role of the "Einsatzgruppen" on the Eastern Front becomes ever more evident as a substitute and replacement for the traditional version of the "Holocaust."

During the first Great Holocaust Trial in 1985, Ernst Zundel already prophesied that this would happen, and jokingly said: "We will have to pursue these liars all the way to Wladivostok to ever newer Holocausts . . ."

And now it's happening before our very eyes!

Vastly simplified for newcomers, the picture looks like this:

Traditional, Spielberg-version Holocaust - roughly 1945 till now:

"The Germans, animals that they were, herded 6 million innocent Jews into concentration camps and sadistically gassed them to death while observing their agonized dying through peepholes."

"New, Improved" Einsatzgruppen version Holocaust 1998:

"What does it matter how Jews died? Can you deny that the SS herded them all - women and children, babies included - into the open pits and shot them?"

What is of note here is that the Einsatzgruppen version was known from the beginning to Holocaust Enforcers, since the Allies had broken the German radio transmission codes, with which guerilla reprisals etc. were reported to Berlin. This knowledge never played out for commercial exploitation. Why not?

Again vastly simplified, because it would have led to scrutiny of the war-time ***sabotage role many of the Eastern Jews actually played*** - a can-of-worm the Holocaust Enforcers would just as soon not have opened.

More than that, the Einsatzgruppen action was, in part, retaliation action for not just wartime Jewish sabotage against German soldiers and civilians but retaliation for the largely Jewish-inspired Bolshevik Revolution with all of its atrocities to begin with. Some people even argue that it must have played a part in the famous political "Kommissars' Order" - which was to capture, interrogate and execute these commissars because they were, to a great extent, Jews responsible for agitating the Soviet armies into committing horrible mutilations of German soldiers.

Also, what is rarely brought out is that Stalin refused to sign the Geneva Convention and similar rules of warfare conventions. That's why the war in the East was particularly brutal and vicious. And it should also be remembered that elimination of guerrillas is allowed and has been practiced by all nations.

"Massacres" - as is so often claimed? I would say no. Mass executions of guerillas in guerrilla-infested areas - yes. It happens all the time. The US did it with Viet Cong in Viet Nam. The French did it with Ho Chi Minh. The British did it in Malaysia and Kenya. And the Soviets did everywhere they ruled. That it also happened on the Eastern Front should not be a surprise.

Also, don't forget that "Partisans", as they were called, who were engaged in sabotage were not in uniform and not identifiable as soldiers. Uniformed soldiers at war act lawfully - if there is "law" in war. More often than not, "civilians" were not "innocent" but were in fact involved in direct and indirect aiding and abetting guerillas who killed and mutilated almost 1 million German soldiers in Russia.

The purpose of this new laundry cycle of "Holocaust brainwashing" is, of course, to ***confuse*** the two versions - the "gassing version" and the "Einsatzgruppen version" - and to make the sheeple believe that they were morally equivalent.

In response to this re-shaping of the "Holocaust", ASMarques, a well-known cyber Revisionist, wrote the following:

"I've posted a message to the BBS which has a lot to do with some of the disagreement about "holocaust", "denial", "revision" and such definitions and their acceptable usage that sometimes have been discussed on this list.

The last paragraphs are the most important with respect to this.

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Holocaust Enforcer:

Let me engage the question this way then: Were or were not the Einsatzgruppen responsible for primarily civilian or military massacres?

ASMarques

They certainly were and probably on both counts. But my point, you see, is they were engaged in the same business the Partisans themselves, as well as the Soviet rearguard NKVD units and indeed the Soviet troops of the front, were. You might say the same about the RAF and the USAAF, probably the American marines in the savage fights in the Pacific that required the systematic flame-throwing clean-up, the British commandos in their "no prisoners taken" raids, etc etc ad nauseam, were.

But those murderous "civilian and military massacres", as you rightly put it, were not the "Holocaust". They constitute what we call "The Second World War".

The "Holocaust", as I said before, has been for more than half a century, the planned industrial massacre of the Jews in human slaughterhouses called gas-chambers. This has absolutely nothing to do with the real war being fought in the USSR where the Einsatzgruppen acted as rearguard political/military combat units. The "Holocaust" is the murder of millions of Jews in the six "extermination camps" with the following names: Auschwitz (incl. Birkenau, of course), Treblinka, Majdanek, Belzec, Sobibor and Chelmno. This is what is called the "Holocaust" and it is a gigantic lie, having nothing whatsoever to do with the actions of the Einsatzgruppen integrated in the conduct of the organised massacres both the Germans and their Allied counterparts called "warfare".

This particular distinction of having millions of innocent people killed under notoriously different conditions from everybody else, in a planned unique 24 hours a day, day-after-day quiet extermination, for years, far from the military action and the prosecution of any military objectives, is what used to confer to the Jewish victims of the War a unique character deserving a special status. This is why, say, the sons and grandsons of the Dresden victims who live today in Germany are supposed to contribute indemnities to, say, the sons and grandsons of the Auschwitz victims that live today in Israel, and that's why the simple idea of having *countries* paying "Holocaust" indemnities to other *countries* (not individual victims) even exists.

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Holocaust Enforcer:

For instance, is Babi Yar indicative of the kind of "special action" the Einsatzgruppen were responsible for, or is something like the Soviet massacre of Polish officers at Katyn a better parallel?

ASMarques

Both were for a long time (and Babi Yar still is, to a high degree) obscure events immensely exploited for propaganda purposes, and therefore are not yet entirely clear. I won't go into them to avoid getting off topic. Suffice to say -- for those who may not know -- that Katyn was a large massacre of Polish military officers by the Soviets and Babi Yar appears to have been a massacre of civilian Jews by the Germans as reprisal for partisan sabotage actions in the nearby city of Kiev. Katyn's details are much better known today than Babi Yar's, as might have been expected.

(Ingrid's comment here: Revisionists, to the fore to shed some light on Babi Yar!)

However, neither one nor the other massacre has anything remotely to do with the presumed "Holocaust" since they are probably true and the "Holocaust" is false. Both appear to have been massacres of innocent people by shooting, decided under pressure and not integrated in any massive plans of racial extermination. Certainly a good number of instances of this sort of thing took place (mainly in the Eastern Front), where they were committed by both sides. This doesn't make either the German Einsatzgruppen or the Soviet NKVD units which were undoubtedly responsible for true massacres and deportations, guilty of, say, the supposed gassings of Auschwitz-Birkenau.

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Holocaust Enforcer:

I would state the former is a much better example. The evidence supports the idea -- and Irving's evidence is in this group -- that the Einsatzgruppen were deployed against plain citizens.

ASMarques

They certainly were, in the same sense that special units of the French Army in Algeria, the British Army in Malaysia or the US Army in Vietnam were. It's not a war crime to have special military units constituted against a primarily civilian or non-regular enemy in a anti-subversive war. You should not forget the relative proximity of the events to the Russian Revolution, subsequent Civil War, and great Ukrainian famine of the 30s. No Einsatzgruppe was ever needed in France, for instance, and France had a large Jewish population. Obviously the character of the German formations was connected to the type of war being fought, and not to any special extermination mission.

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Holocaust Enforcer:

And largely Jewish citizens. Hitler knew the area they'd encounter first in Soviet territory would be largely populated by Jews, it being the traditional "Pale of Settlement." Further, if the Einsatzgruppen were to be deployed for the specific purpose of military defeat over the Soviets, why not use them at Stalingrad, for example?

ASMarques

Because of their concept, role and nature. That's like asking why isn't heavy armour used in island fighting or why aren't submarines used to bomb cities. The Einsatzgruppen were very specialised units of small size roaming over enormous areas in the rear and making these safe for communication and supply, going where trouble was being reported, etc. They also did the dirty job; there is strong evidence that they were looked upon as a sort of travelling executioners that would free the nearby regular units from the "dirty business"; this however doesn't mean that innocent people were being specially executed in nonsensical situations from the military perspective of a subversive war. What it means is the madness of war has a logic that exists in a coherent fashion, not in the surrealistic way required by the supposed "Holocaust" and its gas chamber exterminations.

Where were the Einsatzgruppen during the battle for Stalingrad, you ask?

Well, they were doing exactly the job they had been created for. See my message titled "The Partisan War" in the thread on "Gollancz and the 6 million" initiated by Michael Mills. You'll see there a calendar of the Battle itself compared to the one in Himmler's Report on anti-partisan activity.
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Holocaust Enforcer:

You'll notice, though, that civilized nations and people tend to take exception when individuals or groups grossly violate accepted rules of war.

ASMarques

True. It's part of the global accepted masquerade. The Germans, Soviets, etc were no exception in this "taking exception" of yours. Taking exception is the easiest thing in the World; telling the truth would be something else, believe me...

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Holocaust Enforcer:

Take, for instance, Calley's culpability for My Lai, as common an instance as it may have been.

ASMarques

It's called the *scapegoat syndrome*.

You also have similar cases on the German side during WW2. I recommend to you Alfred De Zayas' book on the Bureau of Investigation of War Crimes of the Wehrmacht. To give you an example: although the 1945 final Allied offensives were what you might call open season for rape, the 1940 German offensive in France was an extremely "clean" one from the point of view of civilian casualties, abuses, etc. There were one or two Allied massacres (such as the one at Abeville where right-wing Belgian political prisoners turned over to the retreating French were murdered, with Leon Degrelle closely escaping that fate), and little or no German abuses.

There was however one instance of rape of a French girl committed by two German soldiers. The two were promptly court-martialled, condemned to death and shot by their own people. There you have your Calleys. You will also find other Calleys in the East, in De Zayas' book. You'll probably even discover one or two Soviet Calleys just to keep the horde disciplined. Does this mean the Germans were always swell guys and the Allies always monsters? Of course not!

I'll let you conclude what it does mean by suggesting the following to you: to keep the common belief that the rules of 20th century War are a "civilized" convention, one or two sacrifices are needed every now and then. They are, in fact, very good to keep the morale.

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Holocaust Enforcer:

You'll also notice the outcry by conscience-ridden citizens of the victorious nations of WWII against the carpet- and atomic-bombings of Germany and Japan.

ASMarques

No such thing existed at the time (nor does it exist now, since they continue to be regularly commemorated as excellent ideas). It was not even well-understood the bombings were designed for terror purpose, back then and for a long time after. That sort of thing was always dissimulated, as you may easily see by reading the contemporary papers and magazines.

That entire cities could have been razed to the ground without people at large understanding (for decades!) that all-out terror -- instead of selected military objectives -- was the name of the game, is indeed one of the most impressive "achievements" of war propaganda.

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Holocaust Enforcer:

No such outcry came from within Germany or from within the German gov't against Einsatzgruppen atrocities. In fact, the evidence -- again Irving falls within this group -- suggests that the Einsatzgruppen *themselves* objected to their "duty" before their superiors ever did.

ASMarques

Very probably true, and a strong indication their duties fell well within the dirty side of military and anti-subversive operations, rather than "holocaustic" outlandish racial extermination. Remember the usual portraits of the SS involved in the presumed gassings is almost always that of evil comic book characters with grinning smiles (if not complete with monocles), never true people under real stress. Try reading the "eyewitness" or "didn't-saw-but-was-told" literature on Auschwitz and Treblinka alone, and you'll see what I mean.

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ASMarques:

Not relevant to my point. My point was WW2 = the Holocaust. Given the present knowledge of the facts, there is no point in having a special Jewish equation unless one is out to blackmail and rob the Swiss Banks, and I'm not.

Holocaust Enforcer:

You seem to suggest that the whole "Holocaust story" has been about getting Swiss banks' money. Can you substantiate this, especially given the only recent judgments against Swiss Banks vs. the 50-year-old history of the events in question?

ASMarques

I did not suggest what you say. I simply said the only point of maintaining the "Holocaust" legend today would be the continuation of intolerable hold-ups such as have been visited on Switzerland. I believe only very naïve observers will not have clearly understood that indeed "blackmail" and "robbery" are the correct words to describe what has been going on.

This, of course, is not even remotely to say that innocent Jews should be held individually or collectively responsible for the actions of the organisations that speak in their name, or that they should be paying indemnity to the victims in the future.

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ASMarques

The goal of revisionism is quite simply truth. What is the goal of truth? Well, truth has no goals. People have and they are very different from each other.

Holocaust Enforcer:

That's one answer, I guess. I suspect it's not the *only* one.

ASMarques

If there was another goal different from "get the truth and use it for your personal purposes" it would have to be "falsify the truth and use it for your personal purposes". This would not (by definition) be "revisionism"; this would be the falsification of history. You might call it "anti-holocaustianism in the holocaustian mold".

I would rather call it "lies", provided they were lies and one could prove this, as one proves organized religion is the mother of all lies since the beginning of time.

Its current version for the Western World consumption is called the "Holocaust". This "Holocaust" I deny.

Holocaust Enforcer:

Well, at least you admit that.

ASMarques

I don't think you understood that. I said I *denied*. It's the exact opposite of "admitting" anything at all. If you deny, you *affirm* your denial, you don't *admit* it.

You "admit" when there is room for doubt. You "deny" when there isn't. I "admit" there may be an escaped elephant from the zoo running around in the street right now. I "deny" there may be a live adult elephant in hiding inside my desk's drawer. This "denial" is in fact a form of affirmation, not of admission.

Therefore, and until new evidence will be presented showing that every bit of coherent information at our disposal is corrupted, I will *deny* the "Holocaust". I like the word very much, if you don't mind. One should always be ready to "revise" (i.e. look anew) and should always be open to discussion.

However the correct word for the non-acceptance of a patently false premise that is being forced on you and withheld from discussion is "denial".

 

The one where 6 million Jews and 6 million Gypsies, homosexuals, Poles, Slavs etc were systematically exterminated by shooting, hanging, gassing, and intentional starvation because the Nazi pigs considered them subhuman.

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Prove that the records were falsified and manipulated, we'll wait.

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No they didn't Hitler was self financed through the sales of Mein Kampf, your assertions are pure fantasy.

 

Dresden was an industrial center and rail transit center fueling the Nazi war machine, the Nazi's invented bombing cities in the European theater (Warsaw terror bombings), the Japanese did it earlier in the Pacific theater against the Chinese (rape of Nanking).

 

It's pretty funny how the biggest holocaust deniers are also the biggest 9/11 truther fools. So so so pathetic. It boggles the mind how anyone in today's day and age with the free and easily accessibility of virtually all known knowledge on the planet that they can actually legitimately deny the holocaust and not feel like a bunch of morons. Boggles.

 

yeh that makes sense since it takes a pretty good education and a lot of research to call bull(*)(*)(*)(*) on the state, whereas on the other hand statists merely sit on their asses playing xbox. Many are illiterate but I would never try to take them on in a video game and expect to win!

 

So hard up now you gotta post lies!

How pathetic and trolling of you.


Dresden was a civilian town with no military significance. Why did we burn its people?
If there was no good strategic reason for it, then not even the passage of time can make it right

From 13 to 15 February 1945, British (and some American) heavy bombers dropped 2,400 tons of high explosives and 1,500 tons of incendiary bombs onto the ancient cathedral city of Dresden.

Victor Gregg, a British para captured at Arnhem, was a prisoner of war in Dresden that night who was ordered to help with the clear up. In a 2014 BBC interview he recalled the hunt for survivors after the apocalyptic firestorm. In one incident, it took his team seven hours to get into a 1,000-person air-raid shelter in the Altstadt.

Once inside, they found no survivors or corpses: just a green-brown liquid with bones sticking out of it.

The cowering people had all melted.

In areas further from the town centre there were legions of adults shrivelled to three feet in length.

Children under the age of three had simply been vaporised.

It was not the first time a German city had been firebombed. “Operation Gomorrah” had seen Hamburg torched on 25 July the previous year. Nine thousand tons of explosives and incendiaries had flattened eight square miles of the city centre, and the resulting inferno had created an oxygen vacuum that whipped up a 150-mile-an-hour wind burning at 800 Celsius. The death toll was 37,000 people. (By comparison, the atom bomb in Nagasaki killed 40,000 on day one.)

Chief of the Air Staff Charles Portal had calculated that bombing civilians could kill 900,000 in 18 months, seriously injure a million more, destroy six million homes, and “de-house” 25 million, creating a humanitarian crisis that, he believed, would speed up the war.

This thinking was not trumpeted from the rooftops. But in November 1941 the Commander-in-Chief of Bomber Command said he had been intentionally bombing civilians for a year.

Supporters of Britain’s “area bombing” (targeting civilians instead of military or industrial sites) maintain that it was a vital part of the war. Churchill wrote that he wanted “absolutely devastating, exterminating attacks by very heavy bombers from this country upon the Nazi homeland”. In another letter he called it “terror bombing”. His aim was to demoralise the Germans to catalyse regime change. Research suggests that the soaring homelessness levels and family break ups did indeed depress civilian morale, but there is no evidence it helped anyone prise Hitler’s cold hand off the wheel.

Dresden was a civilian town without military significance. It had no material role of any sort to play in the closing months of the war. So, what strategic purpose did burning its men, women, old people, and children serve? Churchill himself later wrote that “the destruction of Dresden remains a serious query against the conduct of Allied bombing”.

Seventy years on, fewer people ask precisely which military objective justified the hell unleashed on Dresden. If there was no good strategic reason for it, then not even the passage of time can make it right, and the questions it poses remain as difficult as ever in a world in which civilians have continued to suffer unspeakably in the wars of their autocratic leaders.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/...significance.-Why-did-we-burn-its-people.html



Seems you are all alone in your claim, prove that dresden had any military significance that warranted leveling the whole town and ultimately murdering 1/2 million civilians, then keeping the US and UK holoicaust under wraps until everyone involved is long gone dead and no one has to pay for their war crimes?

So you support these kinds of war crimes, then covering the up for 80 years? Cuz you are the good guys right? Seems to me churchill did the exterminating.

How would you like to be thrown into an oven and burned alive, just a duck way to go and that is the actual procedure and one of the requirements of a real holocaust, they must be burned alive.

 

And by calling bull(*)(*)(*)(*) on the state you mean regurgitating long debunked Nazi propaganda.

Not a single one of the Nazi pigs has even attempted to refute the following litany of incontrovertible evidence that approximately 6 million Jews were systematically exterminated by the Nazi regime for being Jewish:


You people have already been provided the Special Operational Reports of the Einsatzgrupen to the SS-Reichssicherheitshauptamt Reich Main Security Office (RSHA) detailing the targeting of Jews, the dates of the killings, where they were killed, and how many:

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/sitreptoc.html

You have been shown the authentication of those reports by SS-Sturmbannführer Kurt Lindow chief of subdepartment IV A 1 [of the RSHA] who received them.

http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/orgs/german/einsatzgruppen/esg/authenticity.html

You have been provided the Jager report produced by SS-Standartenführer Karl Jäger, commander of Einsatzkommando 3 detailing the extermination of Lithuanian Jewry including nearly 40,000 children:

http://fcit.usf.edu/holocaust/resource/document/DocJager.htm

You have been shown the testimony of Morgen, Kremer, Böck, Hofmann, Hössler, Klein, Münch, and Stark, all high ranking Nazis, none charged with any crimes, who all came forward of their own volition to testify, and to this day have not recanted their testimony to their dying day,

You have been shown the Wannsee Transcripts outlining the Final Solution to the Jewish question.

http://www.writing.upenn.edu/~afilreis/Holocaust/wansee-transcript.html

You have been shown the testimony of SS Obersturmbannführer Adolf Eichmann the man who took the minutes of the conference who confirmed them as authentic during his trial under questioning from his defense attorney's Robert Servatius and Dieter Wechtenbruch:in the German.

http://www.ghwk.de/ghwk/engl/texts/eichmanns-testimony.pdf

[video=youtube;kPFcMy1oLIA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPFcMy1oLIA[/video]

[video=youtube;m3TqRrAK4e0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3TqRrAK4e0[/video]

You have been shown Reichsführer Heinrich Himmler's Poznan Speech of October 4, 1943 proving that Final Solution was a euphemism for extermination and not deportation:

I am now referring to the evacuation of the Jews, the extermination of the Jewish people. It's one of those things that is easily said: 'The Jewish people are being exterminated', says every party member, 'this is very obvious, it's in our program, elimination of the Jews, extermination, we're doing it, hah, a small matter.' [...] But of all those who talk this way, none had observed it, none had endured it. Most of you here know what it means when 100 corpses lie next to each other, when 500 lie there or when 1,000 are lined up. To have endured this and at the same time to have remained a decent person - with exceptions due to human weaknesses - had made us tough. This is a page of glory never mentioned and never to be mentioned. [...] We have the moral right, we had the duty to our people to do it, to kill this people who wanted to kill us.

http://www.holocaust-history.org/himmler-poznan/

And another on October 6, 1943:

I ask of you that that which I say to you in this circle be really only heard and not ever discussed. We were faced with the question: what about the women and children? – I decided to find a clear solution to this problem too. I did not consider myself justified to exterminate the men - in other words, to kill them or have them killed and allow the avengers of our sons and grandsons in the form of their children to grow up. The difficult decision had to be made to have this people disappear from the earth. For the organisation which had to execute this task, it was the most difficult which we had ever had. [...] I felt obliged to you, as the most superior dignitary, as the most superior dignitary of the party, this political order, this political instrument of the Führer, to also speak about this question quite openly and to say how it has been. The Jewish question in the countries that we occupy will be solved by the end of this year. Only remainders of odd Jews that managed to find hiding places will be left over.

You have been shown the comparative World Almanac census statistics for the global Jewish population showing a drop of nearly 5.5 million between 1938 and 1949.

http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people/ftp.cgi?people//f/freedman.benjamin/background-data

You have been shown the Nazi document showing that an 80,000 cremation capacity per month at Auschwitz was insufficient.

http://www.holocaust-history.org/auschwitz/topf/

You have been shown the details of the mass graves excavated at Belzec:

Grave 3 is 16 meters long by 15 meters wide by 5 meters deep (about 52 feet by 50 feet by 16 feet.)

Grave 10 is 24 meters long by 18 meters wide by 5 meters deep (about 78 feet by 59 feet by 16 feet.)

Grave 20 extends outside the current camp boundaries and so could not be completely measured. The part that could be measured is 26 meters long by 11 meters wide by 5 meters deep (85 feet by 36 feet by 16 feet).

More dishonestly, Mattogno fails to mention at all that Graves 1, 4, 13, 25, 27, 28 and 32 also contain unburned remains.

Therefore, out of 10 graves that held whole human remains, Mattogno only acknowledges 3 of them.

Grave 5 contains "pieces of burnt human bones so densely packed together that the drill could not penetrate further." The grave is 32 meters long by 10 meters wide by 4.50 meters deep (about 105 feet by 33 feet by 15 feet).

Grave 6 is 30 meters long by 10 meters wide by 4 meters deep (about 99 feet by 33 feet by 13 feet). It contains "carbonized wood and pieces of fragments of burnt human bones. At the east end of the grave, the ground is covered with gray sand containing a mixture of crushed pieces of burnt and unburned pieces of human bones."

Graves 3, 10, 11, 12, 13, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, and 33 all contain fragments of burnt human bones, human ashes and carbonized wood.

Grave 14 is the largest in the camp. It contains "burnt pieces of human bones and fragments of carbonized wood mixed with grey sandy soil to a depth of 5 meters." That is about 16 feet deep.

http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspo t.com/2006/05/carlo-mattogno-on-belzec.html

You have been shown the unrepentant testimony of SS-Gruppenführer Otto Ohlendorf head of Einsatzgruppen D outlining the rear actions of the Einsatzagruppen regarding the intentional murder of ethnic Jews in the East based on their blood including the women and children:


Q. What were these orders?

A. These orders had as their purpose to make it as easy as possible for the unfortunate victim and to prevent the brutality of the men from leading to inevitable excesses. Thus I first ordered that only so many victims should be brought to the place of execution as the execution commandos could handle. Any individual action by any individual man was forbidden. The Einsatzkommandos shot in a military manner only upon orders. It was strictly ordered to avoid any maltreatment, undressing was not permitted. The taking of any personal possessions was not permitted. Publicity was not permitted, and at the very moment when it was noted that a man had experienced joy in carrying out these executions, it was ordered that this man should never participate in any more executions. The men could not report voluntarily, they were ordered.
Q. Why did you not prevent the liquidations?

A. Even if I use the most severe standard in judging this, I had as little possibility as any of the codefendants here to prevent this order. There was only one thing, a senseless martyrdom through suicide, senseless because this would not have changed anything in the execution of this order, for this order was not an order of the SS, it was an order of the Supreme Commander in Chief and the Chief of State; it was not only carried out by Himmler or Heydrich. The army had to carry it out too, the High Command of the Army as well as the commanders in the east and southeast who were the superior commanders for the Einsatzgruppen and Einsatzkommandos. If I could imagine a theoretical possibility, then there was only the refusal on the part of those persons who were in the uppermost hierarchy and could appeal to the Supreme Commander and Chief of State, because they had the only possibility of getting access to him. They were, after all, the highest bearers of responsibility in the theater of operations.

Q. Did you not try in Nikolaev to dissuade the Reich Leader SS from this order?

A. The situation in Nikolaev was especially depressing in a moral sense, because in agreement with the army, we had excluded a large number of Jews, the farmers, from the executions. When the Reich Leader SS was in Nikolaev on 4 or 5 October, I was reproached for this measure and he ordered that henceforth, even against the will of the army, the executions should take place as planned. When the Reich Leader SS arrived at my headquarters, I had assembled all available commanders of my Einsatzgruppe. The Reich Leader addressed these men and repeated the strict order to kill all those groups which I have designated. He added that he alone would carry the responsibility, as far as accounting to the Fuehrer was concerned. None of the men would bear any responsibility, but he demanded the execution of this order, even though he knew how harsh these measures were. Nevertheless, after supper, I spoke to the Reich Leader and I pointed out the inhuman burden which was being imposed on the men in killing all these civilians. I didn't even get an answer.

Q. Now, I cannot pronounce it correctly, the Karaims were another sect whom you encountered in the south of Russia, and this sect had no Jewish blood, but it did share the religious confessions of the Jews. Is that right?

A. Yes.

Q. You submitted to Berlin the question whether the Karaims should be killed, and I understood you to say that the order you got from Berlin was you shall not kill them for they have nothing in common with the Jews except the confession?

A. Yes.

Q. Will you explain to the Court, please, what difference there was between the Karaims and the Krimchaks, except Jewish blood ?

A. I understand your question completely in reference to the eastern Jews, in the case of the Jews who were found in the eastern campaign. These Jews were to be killed-according to the order-for the reason that they were considered carriers of bolshevism, and, therefore, considered as endangering the security of the German Reich. This concerned the Jews who were found in Russia, and it was not known to me that the Jews in all of Europe were being killed, but on the contrary I knew that down to my dismissal these Jews were not killed, but it was attempted at all costs to get them to emigrate. The fact that the Karaims were not killed showed that the charge of the prosecution that persons were persecuted for their religion is not correct, for the Karaims had that Jewish religion, but they could not be killed because they did not belong to the Jewish race.

Q. I think, Witness, you answered exactly what I had antici-

*Sect which refused the Talmud and adopted the Old Testament as sole source of faith.
**Turkish Jews of mixed Semitic and Tartaric blood.

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pated in the last sentence, "They did not belong to the JewishRace," is that right?

A. Yes, That is right.

Q. They were found in Russia?

A. Yes.

Q. But they participated in the Jewish confession in Russia?

A. The Karaims had the Jewish faith, yes.

Q. But your race authorities in Berlin could find no trace of Jewish blood in them?

A. Yes.

Q. So they came absolutely under the Fuehrer Decree or the Streckenbach Order to kill all Jews?

A. Yes.

Q. Because of blood?

A. Because they were of Jewish origin. For you must understand the Nazi ideology, as you call it. It was the opinion of the Fuehrer that in Russia and in bolshevism, the representatives of this blood showed themselves especially suitable for this idea, therefore, the carriers of this blood became especially suitable representatives of the bolshevism. That is not on account of their faith, or their religion, but because of their human make-up and character.

Q. And because of their blood, right?

A. I cannot express it any more definitely than I stated, from their nature and their characteristics. Their blood, of course, has something to do with it, according to National Socialist ideology.

Q. Let's see, if I can understand it; we've got a lot of time, I hope. What was the distinction except blood?

A. Between whom?

B. Between the Karaims and the Krimchaks?

A. The difference of the blood, yes.

Q. Only the difference in blood, is that so?

A. Yes.

Q. So the criterion and the test which you applied in your slaughter was blood?

A. The criteria which I used were the orders which I got, and it has not been doubted during the entire trial, that in this
Fuehrer Order the Jews were designated as the ones who belonged to that circle in Russia and who were to be killed.

Q. Tell us how orders that you operated under in 1941 in Russia differed from the order which controlled killing of Jews in Poland in 1939 ?

A. In Poland individual actions had been ordered, while in Russia, during the entire time of the commitment, the killing of all Jews had been ordered. Special actions in Poland had been ordered, whose contents I do not know in detail.

COL. AMEN: Were all victims, including the men, women, and children executed in the same manner?

OHLENDORF: Until the spring of 1942, yes. Then an order came from Himmler that in the future women and children were to be killed only in gas vans.

COL. AMEN: How had women and children been killed previously?

OHLENDORF: In the same was as the men - by shooting.

COL. POKROVSKY: You said that mostly women and children were executed in these vans. For what reason?

OHLENDORF: That was a special order from Himmler to the effect that women and children were not to be exposed to the mental strain of the executions; and thus the men of the kommandos, mostly married men, should not be compelled to aim at women and children.

THE TRIBUNAL (Gen. Niktchenko): In your testimony you said that the Einsatz group had the object of annihilating the Jews and the commissars, is that correct?

OHLENDORF: Yes.

THE TRIBUNAL (Gen. Niktchenko): And in what category did you consider the children? For what reason were the children massacred?

OHLENDORF: The order was that the Jewish population should be totally exterminated.

THE TRIBUNAL (Gen. Niktchenko): Including the children?

OHLENDORF: Yes.

THE TRIBUNAL (Gen. Niktchenko): Were all the Jewish children murdered?

OHLENDORF: Yes.

http://www.ess.uwe.ac.uk/genocide/Einsatz2c.htm
http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/nuremberg/Ohlentestimony.html

You have been shown the report from SS Reichsführer Heinrich Himmler to Fuhrer Adolf Hitler entitled "Report to the Führer on Combating Partisans", stating that 363,211 Jews had been killed by Einsatzgruppen in August–November 1942.



You have been shown the Höfle Telegrams sent by SS-Sturmbannführer Hermann Höfle on January 11, 1943 to SS-Obersturmbannführer Adolf Eichmann in Berlin and SS Obersturmbannführer Franz Heim in Cracow detailing the number of deaths of Jews in the concentration camps.



You have been shown the Korherr Report written by chief inspector of the statistical bureau of the SS, Dr Richard Korherr outlining the population drop of European Jewry (4 million not including substantial portions of Eastern European Jewry and Jews within occupied Soviet Russia) from 1937 to December 1942.

http://www.holocaustresearchproject.o rg/holoprelude/korherr.html

And now you have been shown the searchable database of over 4.2 million names and back stories of Jewish victims of the Shoah compiled by Yad Vashem.

http://db.yadvashem.org/names/search.html?language=en

 

I have no clue what a "9/11 truther fool" is, that's a silly invented term. But if you mean those who haven't swallowed the official 9/11 fairy tale and know it's a scam, I'm one of those proud "truther fools". I'd much rather be a "truther fool" than a "liar fool". In any case, there is no doubt the Jewish Holocaust took place, some of my family and acquaintances survived it, some didn't. The recorded interviews from both my parents are archived in the Holocaust Museum.

 

The Nazi's invented the terror bombings on the European front, the Japanese in the Pacific theater, no one from either side was tried for strategic bombings so spare me your faux outrage.


As the German Army approached Warsaw on 8 September 1939, 140 Junkers Ju-87 Stukas attacked the portions of the city on the east bank of the Vistula River and other bombers bombed the Polish Army positions in the western suburbs. On 13 September Luftwaffe level and dive bombers caused widespread fires. Further resistance was followed by propaganda leaflet drops.

Finally, starting at 0800 on 25 September, Luftwaffe bombers under the command of Major Wolfram Freiherr von Richthofen conducted the first major city attack of World War II, dropping 500 tons of high explosive bombs and 72 tons of incendiary bombs, in coordination with heavy artillery shelling by Army units. The center of Warsaw was badly damaged. Approximately 1,150 sorties were flown by a wide variety of aircraft, including even obsolescent Junkers Ju-52/3m bombers, which dropped 13 percent of the incendiary bombs dropped on the day.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Warsaw_in_World_War_II

The Germans from the very beginning of World War II in Poland, adopted the tactic of terror. The Luftwaffe was employed to bring terror to Polish civilians. The primary target was Warsaw, but other defenseless Polish cities were attacked by German bombers (September 1939). One historian writes, "The bombing of Warsaw early in the war made it clear to the Allies how Hitler intended to fight his war. What he threatened the Czechs with he carried out on the Poles. It was to be Schrecklichkeit ('frightfulness') with no regard for the civilian population." [Snyder] We certainly think it should have been clear, but in fact Poland was isolated between NAZI Germany and the Soviet Union. Thus it was difficult for press reports, especially images to reach the West. And this became even more so after the German occupation began. The avowed purpose of the attacks on cities was to cause civilian casualties. The out gunned Polish Air Force was unable to protect their cities, but it bloodied the Luftwaffe. Luftwaffe raids began early in the campaign, but massive raids began as the Wehrmacht Panzers approached the unprotected Polish capital. The Luftwaffe attacks continued day and night with no pretense of targeting military or industrial targets. The Luftwaffe bombings of Guernica and Rotterdam are more complicated affairs. The Luftwaffe's attacks on Poland are not complicated and are not clouded by any moral ambiguity. The Luftwaffe's attacks on Warsaw were a clear example of the terror bombing of a largely defended civilian population. The Luftwaffe launched a ruthless air assault on Warsaw's civilian population beginning September 24. We have noted different estimates of the number of bombers used, varying from 420-1,150 bombers. The different estimates probably reflect differences as to daily raids or the overall campaign. The Polish Air Force had been destroyed and there were no shelters for the beseiged civilians. At the same time approaching Wehrmacht forces prepared to assault the capital. The Luftwaffe on September 25 struck again with 400 German bombers dropping both incendiary and high explosive bombs. The city's water pipes were ruptured by the bombing. Fire-fighters were evacuated. Fires spread throughout the city. Warsaw surrendered to the Germans (September 27). Estimates vary but 25,000-40,000 people are believed to have been killed in air attacks, most in Warsaw. The terror raids were not limited to Warsaw, but Warsaw received the most intensive Luftwaffe bombing. Hitler visiting the destruction, remarked to journalists, "That is how I can deal with any European city." Some German authors claim that it was the British that began attacks on civilians. [Rumpf, p. 24-25.] Of course this ignores the German raids on Warsaw as well as smaller raids on other Polish cities. It is well to remember what Hitler and the Luftwaffe did to Warsaw at the very beginning of the War. What Hitler did not realize at the time was that Germany did not have a strategic bombing force or the industrial capacity to build one. The British and Americans, however, were both building just such a force and in numbers Reichmarshsall Göring and the Luftwaffe could scarcely imagine.
Terror / Schrecklichkeit

The Germans from the very beginning of World War II in Poland, adopted the tactic of terror. The Luftwaffe was employed to bring terror to Polish civilians. The primary target was Warsaw, but other smaller and defenseless Polish cities were attacked by German bombers (September 1939). One historian writes, "The bombing of Warsaw early in the war made it clear to the Allies how Hitler intended to fight his war. What he threatened the Czechs with he carried out on the Poles. It was to be Schrecklichkeit ('frightfulness') with no regard for the civilian population." [Snyder]
Operation Wasserkante (September 1)

The Luftwaffe began the World War II on Poland with Operation Wasserkante, the air attack on Warsaw (September 1). Four bomber groups carried out the attack. The raid was of only limited effectiveness. Low lying cloud cover made it difficult to bomb with any ccuracy. The Polish Air Force committed the PZL P.11 fighters of the Pursuit Brigade which managed to down 16 of the attacking German aircraft while losing 10 of their own. THe Poles wre, however, badly outnumbered and Polish fighter defenes wre soon destroyed (September 6). This left the subdequent air defense of Warsaw to the 40 mm and 75 mm anti-aircraft guns of the Warsaw Defense Command.
Luftwaffe Effort

One reason that the Polish Air Fiorce was so quickly overwealmed was that the Luftwaffe was able to deploy virtually its entire stregth from airfield to the north, west and south of Poland. Germany's western border were left essentially undefended. An Allied air assault on Germany would have been largely unopposed, but it id not come.
Impact on the West

We certainly think it should have been clear to the Bitish and French as well as the Americans , but in fact Poland was isolated between NAZI Germany and the Soviet Union. Thus it was difficult for press reports, especially images to reach the West. And this became even more so after the German occupation began. The avowed purpose of the attacks on cities was to cause civilian casualties.
Polish Air Force

The out-gunned Polish Air Force was unable to protect their cities, but it bloodied the Luftwaffe.
Subsequent Raids

Luftwaffe raids began early in the campaign, but massive raids began as the Wehrmacht Panzers approached the unprotected Polish capital (September . THe Luftwaffe launched 140 Junkers Ju-87 Stukas against the area of Warsaw on the eastern bank of the Vistula River. Other bombers targeted Polish Army positions in the western suburbs. Luftwaffe level and dive bombers attacked central Wasaw, causing widespread fires (September 13). Warsaw continuedm, however, to resist. The Germans began propaganda leaflet drops
Target

The Luftwaffe attacks continued day and night with no pretense of targeting military or industrial targets. The Luftwaffe bombings of Guernica and Rotterdam are more complicated affairs. The Luftwaffe's attacks on Poland are not complicated and are not clouded by any moral ambiguity. The Luftwaffe's attacks on Warsaw were a clear example of the terror bombing of a largely defended civilian population.
Final German Assault (September 24-26)

The Luftwaffe launched a ruthless air assault on Warsaw's civilian population beginning September 24. We have noted different estimates of the number of bombers used, varying from 420-1,150 bombers. The different estimates probably reflect differences as to daily raids or the overall campaign. The Polish Air Force had been destroyed and there were no shelters for the beseiged civilians. At the same time approaching Wehrmacht forces prepared to assault the capital. The Luftwaffe on September 25 struck again in wat has become known as Black Monday. Some 400 German bombers dropping both incendiary and high explosive bombs. The city's water pipes were ruptured by the bombing. Fire-fighters were evacuated. Fires spread throughout the city. The Luftwaffe air attacks on Warsaw, especially the devestating Black Monday attack set firmly in the minds of French and British leaders the earlier perceptions in force during the Munich Conference of the vulnerability of their cities to a single massive air attack.
September 24

The Luftwaffe launched a ruthless air assault on Warsaw's civilian population (September 24). We have noted different estimates of the number of bombers used, varying from 420-1,150 bombers. The different estimates probably reflect differences as to daily raids or the overall campaign. And because of the short distances involved, some squadrons were able to fly a second sortie. The Polish Air Force had been destroyed and there were no shelters for the beseiged civilians. At the same time approaching Heer forces assaulted the Polish capital.
September 25: Black Momday

The Luftwaffe on September 25 struck again with 400 German bombers dropping both incendiary and high explosive bombs. The raid began 8:00 AM. of Major General Wolfram von Richthofen (a cousin of the Wiorld War I Red Baron Manfred von Richthofen) oversaw the first major urban attack of World War II. The Germans dropped 500 tons of high explosive bombs and 72 tons of incendiary bombs, By this time, German heavy artillery was in a position to shell the center city. The center of the city was sevely damaged. The Luftwaffe flew some 1,150 sorties emploting a wide variety of aircraft, including even obsolescent Junkers Ju-52/3m bombers, which dropped about 13 percent of the incendiary bombs. This was possible because the Polish air force had been destroyed and their was no longer any fighter opposition. The city's water pipes were ruptured by the bombing. Fire-fighters were evacuated. Fires spread throughout the city. Quite a few authors depict the Black Mondy air assault as the decisive ation pf the Polish campaign. The actual results, however, were mixed, escpecially given the dimensiions of the Luftwaffe effort. Smoke from fires and the dust from the first wave of bombers soon impaired visability over the city. This substantially reduced the accuracy of the successive waves of German bombers. From the German perspective this led to tragic friendly fire incidents. Luftwaffe bombers dropped loads on German infantry entering the northwest suburbs. This would lead to acrimonious meetings between Luftwaffe and Heer commanders after the campign. Black Monday was stunning as the first massive attack on a European city. In terms of tonnage and intensity it was, however, just the beginning of the air war. THe Luftwaffe's use of tactical aircraft meant that the tonnage delivered was only a fraction of what would be dropped in raids later in the War. The lack of accuracy and the short duration of the asault also meant that the Warsaw bombing lacked the intensity of later air assaults.
September 26

More decisive for the fll ofWarsaw was that Gmnan infantry captured three key forts (September 26). The Polish garrison finally offered to surrender.
Surrender (September 27)

The devestating raids left the civilian population of Warsaw stunned and demoralized. Many were now living in the ruins without food and water. The Soviet invasion from the east meant that resisance was futile. And the major forts defending the city had surrendered. Warsaw itself surrendered to the Germans and German troops enter the city (September 27). Estimates vary but 25,000-40,000 people are believed to have been killed in air assault on Warsaw. The terror raids were not limited to Warsaw, but Warsaw received the most intensive Luftwaffe bombing. Some 40 percent of the buildings in the city were damaged and 10 percent of the buildings completely destroyed. It is difficult to assess how much was due to the Luftwaffe. There was intense street fighting between attacking German infantry and armor units and Polish infantry and artillery defending the city. In addit\ion thre was extensive danage due to German artillery.
Hitler and Warsaw (1939-44)

Hitler finlly had the war he had long craved. He traveled extensively durng the campaign visiting fast advancing German units. For the final assault on Warsaw, he flew from Zoppot to the Warsaw area (September 25). He visited the 8th and 10th Army and the Headquarters at Grodjisk Mazowieki. He then returned to Godentow-Lanz by plane. The next day in the morning at 9:30 AM, he went back to Berlin in his Sonderzug (special train), arriving in Berlin at 5:05 PM. After the conclusion of the Polish Campaign, he returned to Warsaw to view a miltary parade through the devestated city (October 5). The least damaged section of the city was embassy row, which is where the Germans held their first victory parade of the War. After the martial music and mandatory goose-stepping, Hitler returned to the airfield for the flight back to Berlin. He makes no secret of his intentions. He tells assembled foreign journalists, “Take a good look around Warsaw. That is how I can deal with any European city.” The foreign correspondents who were largely exclude from the conat areas were allowed to see the destruction. They took back with them shocking photographs of bomb and shell blasted Warsaw. What they saw, however, was just the beginning of the desruction Hitlerb planned to visit on Warsaw. Hitler even before launching the War had plans to destroy Warsaw as a Polish city. Hitler visiting an architectural bureau in Würzburg am Main shortly before the War (June 20, 1939). He noted a project for a future German town – Neue deutsche Stadt Warschau. The Pabst Plan planned to turn Warsaw into a provincial German city of some 130,000 Germans and no Poles. NAZI officials drafted precise plans including detailed drawings for anew city with a historic Germanic core. A select few landmarks would be saved such as the Royal Castle which would become Hitler's state residence. The Plan which consisted of 15 drawings and an architectural model, was named for German army architect Friedrich Pabst who saw the destruction of Warsaw as part of the overall effort of destroying the Polish nation's morale and culture by destroying its physical and architectural heritage. Hubert Gross created the design for the new German city ro be errected over the ruins of Warsaw. It was incorporated into the larger Generalplan Ost developed by Himmler's SS. WArsaw became the center of the GEneralGovernment where the Germans deported Jews and Poles as they oproceeded to Germanize occupied western Poland. The failure of the Warsaw Uprising (August 1944) gave Hitler the opportunity to complete the destruction of Warsaw. [Gutschow and Klain] Hitler's final presription for Warsaw was, "Warsaw has to be pacified, that is, razed to the ground."
Strategic Bombing Campaign

The strategic bombin campaign began one of the major military campigns of the War. It would end with German cities massive poles of rubble and hundreds of thousands of civikian casualties. Some German authors claim that it was the British that began attacks on civilians. [Rumpf, p. 24-25.] Some readers have made this comment to HBC. Of course this ignores the German raids on Warsaw as well as smaller raids on other Polish cities. It is well to remember what Hitler and the Luftwaffe did to Warsaw at the very beginning of the War. What Hitler did not realize at the time was that Germany did not have a strategic bombing force or the industrial capacity to build one. And the British and Americans were both building just such a force and in numbers Reichmarshsall Göring and the Luftwaffe could scarcely imagine. The British at the time were finlly increasing ircraft production afte a sklow start. By the time of the Battle of Britain 9 months later, the British would be out producing the Germans.
Sources

Gutschow, Niels and Barbarta Klain. Vernichtung und Utopie. Stadtplanung Warschau 1939 – 1945 (Hamburg 1994).

Rumpf, Hans. The Bombing of Germany (New York: Holt, Rinehart and Winston, 1962), 256p.

Snyder, Louis L. Historical Guide to World War II (1982).


http://histclo.com/essay/war/ww2/air/eur/ter/ltr-pol.html

 

yeh they clawed at the 1/8th" thick invincible glass windows while the nazis laughed and jeered at them. But little did they know the allies had a secret weapon and would holocaust a 1/2 million of those (*)(*)(*)(*)ing nazis in one night. yeh

 

Lies:

Dresden was Germany's seventh-largest city and, according to the RAF at the time, the largest remaining unbombed built-up area.[31] Taylor writes that an official 1942 guide to the city described it as "one of the foremost industrial locations of the Reich" and in 1944, the German Army High Command's Weapons Office listed 127 medium-to-large factories and workshops that were supplying the army with materiel.[32] The contribution to the German war effort may not have been as significant as the planners thought.[33]

The US Air Force Historical Division wrote a report in response to the international concern about the bombing, which was classified until December 1978.[34] This said that there were 110 factories and 50,000 workers in the city supporting the German war effort at the time of the raid.[35] According to the report, there were aircraft components factories; a poison gas factory (Chemische Fabrik Goye and Company); an anti-aircraft and field gun factory (Lehman); an optical goods factory (Zeiss Ikon AG); as well as factories producing electrical and X-ray apparatus (Koch & Sterzel AG); gears and differentials (Saxoniswerke); and electric gauges (Gebrüder Bassler). It also said there were barracks, hutted camps, and a munitions storage depot.[36]

The USAF report also states that two of Dresden's traffic routes were of military importance: north-south from Germany to Czechoslovakia, and east-west along the central European uplands.[37] The city was at the junction of the Berlin-Prague-Vienna railway line, as well as the Munich-Breslau, and Hamburg-Leipzig lines.[37] Colonel Harold E. Cook, a US POW held in the Friedrichstadt marshaling yard the night before the attacks, later said that "I saw with my own eyes that Dresden was an armed camp: thousands of German troops, tanks and artillery and miles of freight cars loaded with supplies supporting and transporting German logistics towards the east to meet the Russians".[38]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Dresden_in_World_War_II#Military_and_industrial_profile

 

Debunked bull(*)(*)(*)(*):

Kogon, et al, admit that "records concerning these facilities were either not made in a systematic way or have not been preserved." But they do explain that in the beginning at Majdanek "two gas chambers were installed in a wooden barrack, then a brick building was put into service. The two temporary chambers were later used as drying rooms." Plans from the Berlin firm, Auert, still exist for "the iron doors with their rubber packing [that] could be securely bolted." If Cole was observing the original wooden barracks, they were obviously modified later for different use, which could explain the window and lack of locks. As for the other chambers, carbon monoxide was also used, which might account for the lack of Zyklon-B traces and blue stains in chamber 2. According to the court documents, Zyklon-B was "emptied directly into the chambers through funnels set into the ceiling, or else by the machines that produced the hot air necessary to release the gas, especially when the weather was cold" (p. 175). This could explain the traces and staining in chamber 3 that has no induction hole--the gas was not introduced through the ceiling.

http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/orgs/american/skeptic-magazine/skeptic-12.html

Bull(*)(*)(*)(*), it was between 20 and 25 thousand casualties, which was comparable to the unprovoked terror bombing of Warsaw in 1939 the first of its kind in the European theater, the Imperial Japanese mass murderers beat the Nazi mass murderers to it with the rape of Nanking.

The city authorities at the time estimated no more than 25,000 victims, a figure that subsequent investigations supported, including a 2010 study commissioned by the city council.[14]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Dresden_in_World_War_II#Military_and_industrial_profile

Overall, Warsaw suffered approximately 25,800 civilian deaths, with 40 percent of the buildings in the city were damaged and 10 percent of the buildings destroyed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Warsaw_in_World_War_II

 

16 January 1945 44th Bomb Group Roll of Honor and Casualties 1945
16 January 1945
Marshalling Yards, Dresden, Germany
Enemy resistance at this secondary target was nil, and the fighter support was very good. Yet three aircraft were lost; all abandoned in flight. Others landed in France and three of these were abandoned or left for repairs! Group Commander, Col. Eugene H. Snavely, was flying Command Pilot on one of the MIA aircraft.
66th SQUADRON: 68th Sq., #42-50660 A, Testa MACR #2863
http://www.greenharbor.com/ROHPDF/ROH45.pdf

From your reference LOL

They saw wmds too, there are suckers born every day.

You arent very good at this are you.

Dresden was a refugee town that took in and aided refugees with no air defense system.

Military targets never have air defense systems right.