Question for Trump supporters and others

http://on.msnbc.com/29rogW8 As Lawrence O'donnell explains Trump's incoherent gibberish speech about trade, my question to Trump supporters and others are, does anyone on this forum know what Donald Trump is talking about? If you don't know, that's fine. Neither do I. And, if you are going to insult the messenger as a cover for Trump, you can save that speech as well.

The question is simple. Does anyone Right or Left know what he is talking about, when it comes to trade? What I got out of that speech is this; I like hamburgers, but I don't like hamburgers. That's what I understood.

My question for Trump supporters is this, if you understand what I understand, why on earth would you vote for someone like that?

 

I have no idea what he's talking about. Not only has he failed to explain how backing out of NAFTA would benefit American workers, he's delivered the message itself as a jumble of meaningless and contradictory phrases. And yet his supporters cheer.

 

They will vote for him because he's got an (R) beside his name at the bottom of their TV screens and he's extremely disrespectful toward President Obama and Hillary Clinton. It doesn't matter that he has no clue how to do the job. Trump has benefited greatly from Obama butthurt and fear of people who white Americans consider "others." In other words, they'll vote for him because of anger, fear, and hatred. His rallies are basically just him getting up in front of everyone and saying "Thanks for coming out everyone. Now, how can I scare you and make you angry at brown people today?" He will lose badly in November though.

 

Fearmongering does not require coherence because it is an emotive rather than a rational strategy.

It worked in the primaries largely because there was a limited audience who was being pandered to by Tr(oll)mp.

When it comes to the GE it will work at rallies but it will fail in the debates. The only question is will fearmongering work as an ad campaign against Hillary?

 

Hillary was first for nafta and now she isn't so can anyone explain her position?

 

No........I will vote for trump because i don't think he will load the Supreme Court with Lefty Activist Judges...and i don't think he will go after the 2nd Amendment.. He can't do most of the things he talks about.....all he will do, if elected, is spend the next 4 yrs blaming other people for why he can't get anything done...and that's ok with me... We have 2 terrible choices.. I think he will do the least amount of harm..

 

Most ironic post I've ever seen in my entire life.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFjbSGZVlgg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77_hpI7AbMk

I mean, google has millions of these. "voting for Obama because he's black". "Voting for Obama because he's a Democrat".

When you are going to try and make fun of Republicans for voting for someone because of the (R), just remember the mindless idiots that vote for Hillary because of the (D).

Wow, can't believe you posted without thinking.

 

The fact that Crooked Hillary Clinton supporters don't understand trade, don't understand the downward effects that open borders has on wages, don't understand basic economic supply and demand, don't understand that bad trade deals means jobs lost overseas is a good reason why they shouldn't be voting. Donald Trump explains it in simple language that even a 3rd grader could understand, but here we are, Crooked Hillary supporters whining, "I don't understand what he means".

Don't vote people. If you don't understand democracy, republicanism, federalism, don't vote. If you have never hear of The Enlightenment, or don't understand separation of powers, if you can't name the three branches of government, don't vote. If you don't know who the Vice President is, don't vote. If there is one thing that is great about this country is that most stupid people realize that they are too stupid to vote and choose not to vote. Still we have way too many stupid people voting who don't understand what it means for our elected establishment politicians of both parties to sell out the American workers to the Chamber of Commerce and big businesses with crappy trade deals. Don't vote.

 

Dems think?

 

If they did, Hillary would not be in public office.

 

All of the economists I have spoken with support looser borders and more international trade, citing comparative advantage and saying that both immigration and international trade are a net positive for our economy, even though they can create negative effects for specific special interest groups. They may be wrong, but this seems to be the majority opinion among economists, aside from the leftist think tank that Trump quotes to support his argument.

 

That's funny. Good post. Truth is people are voting for Trump not because he's white, they vote for him because they want their country back. What is meant by that is, people, Americans of all races, want to see our country do well economically. They want good paying jobs again. They want the rising growth and opportunity that a good economy will deliver. And they want the money that will deliver them to freedom. We need more freedom in this country and that is going to have to include economic freedom which gives people the means to do the things they want to do.

When we say, "we want our country back", that's not about race, it's about taking power back from the government and giving it to the people.

 

I totally believe you when you say that. However, I won't be naïve and say that many Republicans will not vote for him just because of the (R). It happens and we all know it.

 

Sure. All the turmoil in Europe from massive immigration, I'll bet that's a net positive too. All the terror attacks, that's a net positive too. All the jobs that have gone away, that's a net positive. 60,000 factories closed in the US. That's a net positive. A lower standard of living for all Americans, that's a net positive.

How stupid are the economists you are speaking to?

 

Going off topic just proves how out of touch you are of your own understanding of Trump.

 

In other words Tr(oll)mp can't win unless he can drive down voter turnout.

Got it!

 

Name me one elected official that has suggested doing away with the 2nd amendment. Just one.

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What do you mean? Did you just assume that I would deny that? It's clearly true. Doesn't mean what I said wasn't.

 

Still no answers from anyone from the Right, explaining what Trump is talking about? That's okay if none of you know. I'm right there with you myself. We've had several off topic Hillary comments. We had one stating the supporter was voting for Trump because of the second amendment. I do find it interesting though, no one from the Left and particularly from the Right, have the foggiest idea of what Trump said on Trade?

I'm sure the Left by now already understands what my intention for this thread was for. It was to prove just how clueless the Right actually is in their understanding of their own candidate. It is obvious they are as clueless as the Left. And, if you do not know what "ANY" candidate is talking about, Right or Left, how stupid would it be to vote for either side? You talk about an insult to one's own intelligence. Boys and girls, that's the trap none of us want to fall into. And many are going to do just that. Just remember that come November.

 

Non-protectionist ones. Ones smart enough to realize that supply and demand generally means that competition is an overall good and that a cost benefit analysis involves exploring the benefit and comparing it to the cost, not just listing out costs in order to come up with an ill-informed solution.

I've seen no evidence that increased global trade has resulted in a lower standard of living for Americans as a whole.

 

Trump supporters don't give one single crap about what he says on trade. Okay? Fortunately, there won't be enough of them to win him the election in November. Stop sweating Trump so much. If you want the democrat to win, the GOP base could not have nominated a better (R) candidate for you.

 

Yea, I thought that was kind of cute as well. Someone seems to think Obama and Hillary are coming for all their guns. Lol! I own about six guns, and the idea that any administration is coming for them has never crossed my mind. What a joke that is.

 

Hillary Clinton is driving down voter turn out. She got less votes winning this year than she did in 2008 when she lost.

Trump is driving up voter participation. Don't you worry none, there are plenty of new voters and converts who will be showing up for Donald Trump.

 

"I don't know what Trump is saying or what he actually stands for, but........uh....but.....but......HILLARY!!!!!"


-----average Trump fan response to any explanation for their Candidate or his positions

 

What you said was illogical. You clearly were making fun of Republicans who will vote (R) just for the name. That couldn't be more illogical because both sides do it. Hell, both sides are racist, as those videos show. So why even attempt to make fun of the R's when the D's are just as stupid?????

That post made NO sense.

 

Oh believe me, I'm not sweating the election. This is just a brain exercise to find out who's paying attention from the Right.

And yes, okay! I understand they do not give a crap about trade.

And no, contrary to what you might believe, the words Democrat and win do not have as much meaning in the same sentence as you might think. I like the word "win" more. Democrat and Republican are just labels that can shift from one to the other, sometimes meaning the same thing on occasions. I choose Democrat, because for me it relates more to the win, not for some party, but for a cause. The win is the cause, not the party. The party is just what we all relate to, as the vehicle that got us to the cause.

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And the message on trade is?