It's not your 'medicine' you just want to get high so be honest.

I write this because I'm tired of weed-heads who want to be stoned all day while attempting to cloak their habit, or source of pleasure or in some cases addition with the word "medicine".

It is not medicine, you are no patient and your dealer weather it be a prescribed or not is no pharmacist. However this is not an anti-pot argument. Indeed I believe you should be able to smoke pot, however in short I don't believe you are doing the libertarian movement any good calling it "medicine" - that has dangerous precedent. Not only that calling "weed" a medication is blatantly dishonest...

Be honest- you like to smoke pot..... That is what 99% of the cases of medical weed....

Like I said, I have nothing against weed, I'm about to smoke before I go to bed, but you know what - c'mon - be honest. Don't call yourself a "patient" and "weed medicine". You're really only mocking people who actually could benefit from it's non-psychoactive properties such as kids..... Yea that is medicine....

Look if you smoke weed because it gets you high so what?

You're not patients - in our strange world weed is "illegal" (criminalized) and you're not really doing a damn thing about it asserting it's your "medicine"...

It's no more medicine than booze......

 

When used in that fashion, yes. Otherwise, NO. Being a former libertarian, I would say it is moot.

 

Why does this even matter? No one is asking you why you enjoy your beer and cigarettes, are they?

 

Tell em like it is man!!!!

 

There are elements of what you say that I can agree with, but not entirely. I myself have smoked weed nearly everyday since I was 18, and I'm 51 yrs old now, so it's been quite a while. Never the less, I'm anything but a "pot head". I own my own business, employ upwards of 50 people, and work all day, every day, on improving my personal living conditions for myself and my family(That's home improvement work). I have pretty extensive osteo-arthritis damn near everywhere, to the point that the Doctors say "not much we can do but manage pain", and they want to give me opiods for pain management. I don't take them. I just smoke a bowl and then I don't notice the pain so much, and I get busy working on my house.

I'd say that smoking a bowl for pain management is a hell of a lot better for me in the long run than starting the decline that comes from prescription pain meds any day of the week. But, I realize that I am likely the exception and not the rule. Yeah, most people just smoke and then sit around being useless. I smoke and then lay bricks, re-roof the patio, renovate my pool, build a Koy pond, build a 28ft. waterfall into said pond, etc. etc. etc.

 

Sorry, but no.....

I know someone personally (yes, I have a life away from the board) who's nausea is better controlled because of marijuana. Prior to being able to receive the weed, she wasn't able to keep her meds down because of consistently vomiting. In addition to being able to keeping epilepsy under control, marijuana has other uses for symptoms such as bipolar depression, arthritis, and in some cases, has been shown to fight against certain forms of cancer.

Marijuana is a form of medicine. I don't think it can be argued with.

 

Well, that's not entirely true. People who are undergoing chemo have found it helpful as an appetite stimulant and pain reliever. It also can help people sleep. It has less negative effects than alcohol (especially when taken in an oral form - no smoke going into your lungs), as far as we know. There are already pharmaceutical medications that contain marijuana or THC, Marinol for one. It is also much more mild and less addictive than a lot of other meds, like oxycodone.

I am all for the legalization of marijuana for recreational purposes too though. Hey, some people like to have a drink or a shot after a hard day at work, others want to smoke a doobie.

http://www.marinol.com/

 

And you support booze being illegal, right?

 

Ah, the old moral equivalency.

 

What is the "moral difference" between booze and marijuana?

 

More moral equivalency.
My issue is the same as the OP. Be straight about it. Don't put it on the backs of sick kids or cancer patients.

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One is legal, one is not. One will not allow you to get a job, the other not.
The pro Pot people lie. We don't like being lied to.

 

Why is one legal and the other not?

 

If calling it medicine makes it legal.... then its medicine.

 

Moral equivalency? I don't think so. I only stated facts.

Cannabinoid drugs
There are 2 chemically pure drugs based on marijuana compounds that have been approved in the US for medical use.

Dronabinol (Marinol®) is a gelatin capsule containing delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) that’s approved by the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) to treat nausea and vomiting caused by cancer chemotherapy as well as weight loss and poor appetite in patients with AIDS.

Nabilone (Cesamet®) is a synthetic cannabinoid that acts much like THC. It can be taken by mouth to treat nausea and vomiting caused by cancer chemotherapy when other drugs have not worked.

Nabiximols is a cannabinoid drug still under study in the US. It’s a mouth spray made up of a whole-plant extract with THC and cannabidiol (CBD) in an almost one to one mix. It’s available in Canada and parts of Europe to treat pain linked to cancer, as well as muscle spasms and pain from multiple sclerosis (MS). It’s not approved in the US as of 2015, but it’s being tested in clinical trials to see if it can help a number of conditions.

How can cannabinoid drugs affect symptoms of cancer?

Based on a number of studies, dronabinol can be helpful for reducing nausea and vomiting linked to chemotherapy.

Dronabinol has also been found to help improve food intake and prevent weight loss in patients with HIV. In studies of cancer patients, though, it wasn’t better than placebo or another drug (megestrol acetate).

Nabiximols has shown promise for helping people with cancer pain that’s unrelieved by strong pain medicines, but it hasn’t been found to be helpful in every study done. Research is still being done on this drug.

 

Hopefully, now that the stigma of marijuana as some "evil" drug has been removed, that will change as well, as far as getting a job is concerned. Marijuana users are far less trouble than drunks, that's for sure.

Who is "we" and where is your evidence to back up your claims as far as "pro pot people lie?"

 

Lead by example. The biggest problem comes from our leaders. Allowing that which can kill or destroy one's health. Pharma-drugs are on the rise very quickly. They will surpass all drugs if not already, when it comes to death, suicide, illness. Our leaders motto on the matter, "do our drugs, not your drugs (natural drugs)." Every week there is another advertisement saying, "if you have taken this drug you can be substantially compensated." Do they just make the drug, run a few tests and release it. Who's to say the effect it can have in 50 years or so? A different influenza mixed with these pharmaceutical drugs not tested for a 50 year run. Or side effects that could be fatal, constant bleeding from the eyes, diarrhea, etc, even side effects that cause one to have to take another pharmaceutical.

It is getting completely out of hand.

 

As the doctor told me, the reason why pot CANT KILL, is we have no receptors in the heart. So, you CANT overdose.

There are two indispensable effects from Pot. Munchies and cottonmouth. Both of these can be life savers.l

 

You can still get lung cancer. And it does effect the brain, and causes laziness.

 

That is why they invented vapes. But, cottonmouth is best created by smoking. Topical application. As for lung cancer, pot has elements in it that kill lung cancer as it occurs.

 

For me personally, I just enjoy the buzz. No lie here.

But to dismiss the actual medical benefits of medical weed, is kind of ridiculous. Weed with high CBD levels have consistently shown to reduce and even stop grand-mal seizures. There was a little girl in Utah who was getting upwards of 200 seizures in a month. She started taking oils with high levels of the CBD component of weed and is down to 1-2 every couple of months, if that.

I understand your point on people just wanting to get high supporting legalization, but please don't dismiss the very real medical benefits because of that.

 

Aha, busted

I can't understand how anyone would want to deny those with serious medical conditions the relieving help pot can offer.
Of course I also understand the concerns for abuse.

 

lol don't tell my mom

Yeah, but then how would Private Prisons and the subsequent Prison Guard Unions as well as Metropolitan Police Depts fill their cells/budgets?

 

Every meth addict, heroin addict and so on. Have all started with pot.

 

Not saying do/don't smoke weed (I've smoked for 45+ years), but you may want to try using apple cider vinegar to ease your arthritis. It works great for inflammation. Arthritis is joint inflammation.

I suffer from damaged vertebrae in my neck and lower back from a bad car wreck. The acv gives me real relief. I don't take any pain medication, btw.

If you try it, make sure to buy the acv with the 'mother'. It'll say that on the label. One tablespoon twice a day should start helping within a couple of weeks. Make sure to rinse your mouth out after using as the acid in the vinegar is hard on tooth enamel.

Hope this helps!

 

Medicinal purpose is one thing, just getting high is another.
Try to keep on the OP train of thought.
Pro pot people lie.

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