Why is the entire world seemingly ''stupid''?

I can ''see'' you have good business sense, but it is a little off topic and does not really have baring on the premise.

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The last time I looked in the mirror and looked at my ageing wrinkles, I am quite sure I was all grown up.

 

So, your answer is 'No' , but you supplied your reasoning. OK, So, the 16 hr worker, goes home, sleeps, eats, gets himself/herself together, buys tickets to see his/her favorite comedian in the theatre. Does he/she complain at the price of the ticket? Bring a sign to the show to say the performer is overpaid?

 

Interesting , so you think it is intelligent to pay money to watch a bunch of millionaires chucking a bag of wind to each other (american football).

 

Not everyone values their life in terms of dollars.

 

You really think the average worker can just go and buy some tickets? the average worker would have to save or go short to buy tickets, if the performer was not overpaid to begin with , the tickets would be affordable, I do not think you realise what a struggle is it for an average working family in my country to even afford things like an holiday or days out, I am pretty sure America is about the same.

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Perhaps not, but the reality is that everyone's life time runs at an equal rate when in the same inertial reference frame.

 

They have each spent 8 hours, but one produced FAR more than the other. It is the output that is rewarded, NOT their time. Rewarding output incentivizes production, while basing compensation on time incentivizes nothing. The goal for any society is to produce, and what you propose produces far less. If you want to be a slacker, what you propose would be great. If you want to work hard and get ahead in life, what you propose would be inherently unfair and ultimately enormously detrimental to the output in society.

 

I gave you too much credit. I assumed your naiveté was accounted for by youth.

Regardless...communism doesn't work.

While I think my value as a person is just as great as a brain surgeon...I understand that my time is not.

Yes...there does need to be a minimum...a wage that every able bodied worker can get because we have the same basic needs.(food clothing housing etc.) but beyond that...merit and education and yes...talent...should dictate.

That said, It's insane to ask a grown man with a family to work for wages that can't even cover one person let alone a family. I agree. But that's for the lowest rung of jobs

 

Interesting because the the person on the lesser wage makes all the test tubes and like for the Physicist, the Physicist is the end of the line of a team , the team extends from production lines of equipment, delivery etc, to the end of the line, I do not see how the end line is of any more importance than the person who boxed the microscope in the microscope factory to be delivered to the end of the line.

 

Most of the jobs available are the lower rung jobs. In the Uk we have graduates working at Mcdonald's because there simply is not enough jobs.

 

What you are saying is that someone who yields 10 units per hour should be paid the same as one who yields 15 units per hour; because according to you, each person's time is equal to another person's time. That is absurd.

I suggest you take a course in Economics 101. Learn about supply and demand. The greatest factor in getting a high wage is the combination of high demand and low supply; just as the greatest factor in getting a low wage is high supply and low demand. This applies to even highly skilled workers. You might be the most skilled worker in your entire profession, but if there is a low demand for your services, you will not prosper as much as if there is a high demand.

Learn these basic principles, and you will not keep making such absurd comments as you have here.

 

Of course 2k a week is incentive enough... You have to be mad to set wages that high! That's practically giving everyone over a 100k a year! Forget practicing medicine, I'll go stamp buttons for the rest of my life!

Society is very complex. There are thousands, if not millions, of different jobs, and to believe that one can micromanage every single job position so that everyone earns a "fair" amount is almost insane.

I don't believe the answer to this issue is "earnings." I believe the answer to this issue is "standard of living." We should provide the basis to ensure that people are provided with the basic housing and materials to survive with, and the rest should be determined by the individual, whether they wish to advance themselves is up to them. It is not the government's job to provide you a life of luxury, it is their job to stop you from hurling yourself into a life of destitution.

Sometimes it is easy to take our way of living for granted, but in reality, someone has to do the job no one else is willing to do, or capable of doing. Someone had to mine the ores, farm the food, plan the logistics, organize the forces, build the houses, keep the people healthy, entertain the masses, clear out the garbage, treat the sewage, etc. etc. Many of these things go unappreciated, and it is because there is incentive to do better, to go further, to perform at one's best, that we can live in a complex yet rather easy-going lifestyle. The foundation of a society may be the working class, but those who propel it further are often the ones who are not. If we wish to advance our society further than it already is, we must help build the path for others to move out of basic labor and into the middle class who are responsible for that advancement.

We can give assistance to people, and encourage and support them to do their best, but if the individuals themselves do not wish to better themselves of their own will, then there is little any of us can do for them. We cannot force people to be better, after all.

 

This has always been true, and always will be. To an extent. Smart and hard-working are two sides of the triad - luck is the third.

The other side of the coin is that American society is becoming increasingly stratified. For most people, their chances in life will be strongly correlated by who their parents are. The number of those who migrate from the working poor upward is declining, and declining fast. Some people who are both smart and hard-working and lucky will break through, but those numbers are diminishing.

 

That's a separate issue. Of course I wouldn't expect (or allow) McDonalds to try to make money off working people by forcing them to take poverty level jobs. Their time has value.

But to put the same value on a brain surgeon as a plumber is absurd.

 

The reward in practising medicine is the ability to save lives, there is no reward in pressing buttons or self goals. Yes 2k a week may seem an extreme basic wage, however all debt would soon vanish and be paid off , all people would have nice accommodation or could do up existing accommodation, and most people would want to work, if there is not enough jobs the government should invent jobs, set everyone on cleaning up the environment or likewise.

 

If you are the janitor who contributes little and they the doctor that cures cancer? Your life absolutely is worth less, ie people will be less willing to compensate you at the same level because there is less that you contribute.

 

You realize that it costs and enormous amount of time and money to practice medicine...right?

There would be precious few doctors if your philosophy was adopted.

 

Because almost anyone is capable of making the test tubes. Almost no one is capable of taking those test tubes and genetically engineering a cure for a particular type of cancer. The scarcity of the geneticists skills and the resulting production are what makes him FAR more valuable.

This same principle is why diamonds are far more valuable than coal.

 

Who fits the sinks and needed clean running water in hospitals?

 

Wrong...your SKILLS are worth less..your LIFE has exactly the same value. There's a difference and one that gets lost often.

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You don't get it. While that is a valuable skill...it's not exactly a rare one or extremely hard to acquire. That's not true of being a doctor.

 

Without the Janitor whom plays a key role in sanitation your bins would be overloaded, the germs would be everywhere and your hospitals would be ''flea'' pits.

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So you think it takes no skill to be a plumber?
Can you do plumbing? I can to a degree.

 

How about next time you need surgery try calling the Trash Truck driver.

 

In what country?

 

While it's easy to place hope on people's ethics, it is unrealistic to expect that everyone is willing to do so simply because of that reason. That's equivalent to saying that the reward for fighting in the military is to serve a great cause for your country... admirable, yes, but do you expect idealism to solve every nagging real-world crisis there is? Do farmers grow food just to feed hungry people in Africa? Do teachers teach just to give children an education? Perhaps if you were volunteering for all of these, yes, but underneath it all is the fact everyone wants to better themselves in the end, and that typically means compensation of some sort. Service is a two-way street, it is not something that is done for the sake of being done.

As for thinking that simply paying everyone 2k a week will help erase debt... that is disregarding inflation and economics altogether. Money doesn't come out of thin air, money comes out of the services and goods that a society produces. The more you make, the more that money is worth. Of course, if you print money, you devalue the current money that's in circulation. Paper money is only that... paper. It has no intrinsic value whatsoever, only that it serves as a promise that people will provide you whatever you demand with the appropriate amount. You pay 100k a year to everyone, the production remains the same. Guess what happens? Suddenly everything is a lot more expensive because people suddenly can buy everything in bulk but there aren't enough things to go around: houses, food, energy, etc. etc. so in order to stop everyone from causing a shortage of goods, they have to raise prices. Another case study, the Weimar Republic during the Great Depression. The government kept printing out so much money to cover its debt that people couldn't buy bread with the outrageous amounts of printed paper they had. They literally were using the money as fuel for stoves! The currency was so worthless! I'd dive into more economics and explain to you the tradeoffs between inflation and unemployment, but that's best saved for another time... perhaps you would do well to look into it yourself.

And on the contrary, if people did not have to work for any reason at all, they are more likely not to work, apart from satisfying their own self-fulfillment or what other reasons they have in mind. If you were set for life and I told you you had to go coal mining, unless you're enthusiastic about coal mining I doubt you would actively volunteer for it.

Have you ever thought why your ideas would work in the first place? And would you expect a vast majority to follow that idea if it was implemented? Keep in mind, this is not some abstract morality issue, this is an issue concerning people's lives. It either works or it doesn't. What is your plan? Why would this plan work? Why would people support this plan? How would you counter the arguments against it? The basic steps of policy-making...

 

Right wing translation; warm jesus hugs. I know, science is scary.