Reality Of The True Believers

It's uncontroversial to note that US interference and war-mongering leads to acts terrorism.

The topic of this thread is ostensibly about terrorism but I rather suspect it's merely another opportunity to fill an already terrorist-occupied mind with more fear and loathing.

Hating 'radical Islamists' is giving them what they crave so is supportive of them. You won't be catching me doing that. YMMV.

 

How would you know of Saddam's concerns?

Bear in mind the Clinton law.

Also bear in mind that Saddam could have departed and Bush never would have invaded.

Even Clinton called his law the Iraqi Liberation Act.

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=55205

 

General Tommy Franks book is very extensive. Read his book to understand the things that happened. He deals with warts and all.

The concept that the Generals tried to talk Bush out of this is pure made up. It does not resemble the truth.

The JCof S advised Bush and the group was on board with all the plans. Franks caught them one time trying to essentially war plan and he put a stop to it. Their job was to supply the troops, not make war plans.

People will want to drag in General Shinseki to this too. Claim he got fired. Shinseki had done his duty. He put in the time allotted for him to hold that slot. Even Franks ended up retiring.

Bush and Franks wanted to hit Saddam so hard his nuts would fall off. And Franks did that. And Franks and Bush planned to remain in Iraq for a few months. They had not wanted to stay there as it turned out.

I fault to a degree General Sanchez but notice most talking of this may not know who he was.

 

There's nothing they need to 'sort through', they've got it just right - 'We will win against the infidels by instilling fear into them.' And unless we make them fear us, and soon, they're spot on right!

 

They blame Bush because the MSM TOLD them to do so. The news media has been predominately leftist for decades now. It's just that we THOUGHT it was 'middle of the road.' Heck in hindsight even Walter Cronkite was a leftist. "The most trusted man in news" .........What a hoot!!!

Face it, unless you are a news 'Junkie' you have no way to know what is really going on politically. Most don't care and pull the voting lever for whatever the media they listen to tells them...And, most of the media is left-leaning.

 

How did that work out

If bush had publicly started with that objective, the amercan people, and the world, might well have objected
No one volunteered for iraq in order to bring freedom

 

They are murderous killers and the Internationalist Left, with the US wing headed by Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama is dead set on filling our American Cities with these folks.

: Hillary’s campaign denies FBI, IRS investigations into Clinton Foundation.

“There’s no basis to believe that. I have no knowledge of that,” Brian Fallon said Wednesday evening during an appearance on Fox News.

“There’s no evidence to that effect,” he added, calling reports about the investigation “baseless.”

FBI Director [Jimmt The Fixer] Comey dodged questions last month about whether a reported probe of the Clinton Foundation had concluded with the investigation into Clinton’s private emails, which closed on July 6 without yielding criminal charges for anyone involved.

“You can’t read anything at all into Director Comey’s inability to answer that question,” Fallon said.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/h...n-foundation/article/2598613?custom_click=rss

 

Because Iran and Iraq had been at loggerheads for YEARS.. Didn't you know about the Dual Containment Policy?

 

They are not using their heads.

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Yes Margot2. But you are good at giving no explanation. Saddam knew how to fly right. Bush called the two wars Freedom for a good reason. His intent was to free humans. I call that a noble cause.

 

There was nothing noble about the Invasion of Iraq. You know there were 50 Christian churches in Baghdad before the war.

 

People should have paid more attention to the names of the operations. Even clinton called his law the Iraqi Freedom law.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Enduring_Freedom
http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/30/world/meast/operation-iraqi-freedom-and-operation-new-dawn-fast-facts/

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I suppose the French resented helping General Washington too.

Were the forum thinking straight, they knew from the get go this was over freedom.

 

So, can we at least now be clear
If you vote republican
You are signing on to this freedom for 50 million people agenda

 

I can speak only for me.

I was next to the Vietnam memorial wall in DC when a TV reporter asked me about that same thing.

My problem with war is I realize the death and destruction angle can't be shoved aside.

War to me is not the first option. I had a hard time giving the reporter what he needed. I really don't rush into things like war.

Did I think Bush did it over WMD? Not really. He kept calling Saddam a grave but gathering danger. Had it been me calling the shots, I think our guys never would have invaded. It is very tragic on the family to lose a loved one in combat.

 

You are indeed defending radical Muslims. A classic case of, "Jim spoke harshly at Tom's mean cat, so don't blame Tom for killing Jim's dog".

It is this type of thinking that makes liberals complicit in the atrocities that radical Muslims commit. Liberals have no sense of scale or proportion, only their own liberal ideology, which apparently outweighs all rational thought.

 

LOL....oh lookie here.....the board's foremost Putinista, taking time out from her busy anti-American rants to join in some El Kabosh bashing. I wonder if she's friends with that other neighborhood know-it-all, Ethereal?

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Well....as soon as you start, let me know....I'd hate to miss out on anything!

 

No he doesn't have a point...his comparison was flawed.

 

Yeah....from that lover of America and self-styled "true patriot"....at least according to himself!

 

What a bunch of disconnected snippets! What does ISIS ideology have to do with the Saudis supplying Syrian rebels who are also battling the Islamic State? And what does Saudi Arabia as the "biggest terrorist factory in the world" have to do with my "Saudi Arabia in turn wants to destroy ISIS" post to which you are now responding? And just how does that show that the US government is "stupid & corrupt"?

 

What minority has been in charge of US foreign policy?

 

That has nothing to do with "More American soldiers have died at the hands of Christians than Muslims over the last 150 years." which this discussion is about!

 

You ever been to Iraq?

You can't force democracy on people.. Bush didn't set anyone free.

 

What you believe in is 18th century foreign policy dynamics & mindset that was appropriate & reasonable for George Washington & Thomas Jefferson's time but may not necessarily be applicable today. Whether you like it or not, the world is now bound together in globalization wherein nations are interdependent with one another...the fortunes or misfortunes of one can effect many. Your archaic rejection of collective security is not only misguided but dangerous as well.....although some might say stupid.

 

Your condemnation of me here as an "anti-America faux patriot" and your supposed great love of America gave me quite the laughing fits. I haven't been subjected to such sanctimonious & egotistical slobbery in ages. Who would doubt that you throw kisses at yourself every time you catch a glimpse of your image in the mirror.

 

Wait, sounds like you want me to accept slavery.

Saddam made them virtually slaves.

Bush handed them elections. Much safer for them than Saddam was. You do understand why Saddam was hung?

 

And as Iv said before these people have been killing eachother and others for 1500 years. That they now have access to things like explosives doesn't change thier nature in any way and even if the US never stepped foot in the Mid East they would still be killing. Maybe not inexactly the same way or in this time frame but they would.

As for "hating them is giving them what they want." They also want to die so they can get thier 72 world of Warcraft nerds. So I guess you don't support killing them either. We should all just lay down and let them slaughterer us and not resist in anyway cause we don't want to give them what they want, right?