Dual Tier Minimum Wage?

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  1. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    agree, if were gonna ship the jobs overseas that we educate our children to do, it helps no one

    we need to make sure the government levels the playing field with import taxes on goods and services

    and make it a crime for any corporation to ship certain customer information overseas.... keep those jobs here

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  2. OldManOnFire

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    Makes no difference comparing the US to other countries? It costs a lot to live, work and play in the USA.

    It's common sense to look around at everything in the USA and realize we are about 50% behind the curve. To reach 100% requires a boatload of money! As long as we're working with humans, most with limitations, most with self-serving behavior, no matter how ineffective and inefficient we are, we cannot change our behavior overnight...maybe in 50 or 100 years? In all issues we have there is resistance from every direction and politically we don't wish to buck the status quo. All we do is throw a little money at things, proclaim Bandaid solutions, and nothing ever gets better...actually continues to get worse! Well...welcome to the human race...
     
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    dear, liberals are too stupid to understand capitalism so we don't have it. It has nothing to do with will.
     
  4. AFM

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    And we have another person who does not understand economics.
     
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    Charter schools do a better job at half the expense per student. Open the education product to competition with decisions made based on results and school focus and watch the magic happen on a much greater scale as it's doing already.
     
  6. WillReadmore

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    No, if a charter school is not syphoning public school dollars the it is judt an independent privatd scool catering to those who can afford it.

    And, your comment about funding unions is just plain stupid. Surely you are aware that states do not fund unions. Public school teachers are employees of the state, and the right wing has been highly oriented to paying them less.
     
  7. WillReadmore

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    Easy. When the voucher do not cover the cost of private education (the competition for public schools) then they are simply a means for selecting kids whose parents are both able to pay and interested in education.

    Here, private high school costs over $20k/year per kid. Gor a family with three kids, that is $60k. How much are vouchers in your state?
     
  8. AFM

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    Absolutely not. Charter schools are public schools.

    Teachers pay dues to the teachers unions with the money they earn from the state. In WI (and other states) teachers are no longer forced to pay union dues and a great many have opted out. Thus teachers unions receive much less, i.e. they are paid less. The entire idea of public employee unions is a poster child for corruption in government. The teachers are forced to pay union dues which fund campaign contributions to politicians (mostly D's although ~ 30% of union members are R's) who then vote to increase teacher salaries and benefits. That's the perfect example of corruption. FDR (our first socialist President) clearly understood this and strongly condemned the establishment of public employee unions.

    Your comments on the right wing show your ignorance and bias.

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    I covered this topic before. Repeating the same misinformation over and over will not make it the truth.
     
  9. Deckel

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    So kids can google their math homework with a supercomputer?

    The hunt for the great white whale of "cost effectiveness" is largely why the bureaucracies exist...
     
  10. AFM

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    Why do they only exist in the public sector ?? The answer - no competition. :eekeyes:
     
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    Of course you're missing the point!! 30 kids times $20,000 =$600,000. Teacher gets $100,000 and you've got $500,000 profit or you could drop tuition to $3000 and give kids a great education in a competitive school that every parent can afford.
     
  12. Deckel

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    Because if the definition of bureaucracies would be my guess. But as someone who spent 6 months fighting with Verizon over an advertising contract that was prepaid and we kept being billed for with late fees even though they knew it was prepaid and misapplied it to the wrong year and it wasn't until the Better Business Bureau became involved that they finally fixed it, I dare say there are non-governmental comparatives.
     
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    Sorry to hear of your time consuming fight with Verizon - but it was resolved. Can you go to the BBB if you are dissatisfied with the quality of education your child is receiving ??
     
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    Sure. Why not. If it is a for-profit school.
     
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    You make my point although I did not specifically state that I was referring to public schools. That's one more reason for advocating a universal educational system where each student receives a voucher to be used at the school of their choice.
     
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    It isn't universal if people do not get the exact same schooling.
     
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    You again make my point. The adjective "universal" refers to the ability of every parent to choose based on results between alternatives which are not equal as determined by those parents.
     
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    Actually it doesn't mean that at all, but if you are not happy with your children's current options, homeschool them.
     
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    You are "actually" attempting to tell me what I meant ?? Vouchers should also apply to home schooling although with real school choice home schooling would be less prevalent.
     
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    No I am telling you that you are misusing a term. What you meant is irrelevant. Vouchers should not exist. They are little more than an earned income tax credit scheme against property taxes.
     
  21. WillReadmore

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    Collective bargaining isn't free. I'm not sure who you think should pay for it if it isn't those on whose behalf the bargaining is being done.

    There is nothing inherently corrupt about collective bargaining. And, collective bargaining oriented to salary is no exception. So your comment on corruption makes no sense.

    In fact, the destruction of collective bargaining has been a serious problem for the manufacturing sector in the US. The result has been lower wages, less certainty in continuation of employment, working conditions, retirement, etc. That combined affect is more serious than trade deals with other nations when considering manufacturing workers.
     
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    Your idea of what an education budget looks like is absolute nonsense.

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    I quoted you the facts on private school tuition for middle and high school in Seattle.

    If you want to dispute that, then cite something.
     
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    Private schools are not charter schools. I gave you the Google topic previously. Educate yourself by reading more.
     
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    I've spelled out the mechanism of corruption.

    Right to work states are where corporations expand for a reason. The workers make the same take home pay and adequate benefits and the corporations have a lower unit labor cost. And US consumers enjoy lower prices. The workers in these right to work states are not barred from unionizing but choose not to because they realize that it is ultimately not to their advantage. If all US workers were unionized there would be far fewer US workers.
     
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    What I mean is completely relevant despite your opinion on terminology. The voucher system is the only way for low income children living in areas served by failed public school systems to obtain a quality education and escape a life time of poverty and welfare dependence.
     

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