Should pornography be illegal?

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  1. Danneskjold

    Danneskjold Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That's already a crime, no?


    Could be they are projecting themselves into the role of the man, could be they are projecting themselves into the role of the woman. Some people just enjoy rough sex.

    Why do people like anything?
     
  2. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Without getting into whether or not I agree with the claim that some kinds of porn is "unhealthy" - I will certainly agree that (IMO) some folks that like watching certain types of degrading porn are messed up.

    You asked:
    There is a difference between having a belief and forcing that belief on others. I may think McDonald's is unhealthy and so I do not eat it. Forcing my beliefs on others "by making McD's illegal" is a whole other can of worms.

    Making something "Illegal" by definition is punishment. The whole point of making something illegal is to punish those who engage in that activity.

    So if you say ... I think X should be illegal, you are saying that those who engage in X should be punished.

    If X = (rape porn) you want those that watch rape porn punished.
     
  3. ChrisL

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    “Porn hurts nobody.” “They do it because they like to do it.” These are popular perceptions that many people in our society have when it comes to pornography. However, perception is not always reality. The fact of the matter is that the porn industry is riddled with violence, drugs, coercion, and disease. And while active porn stars rarely, if ever, speak out due to fear of not getting work or being discriminated against, the majority of those very same performers inevitably end up speaking out on their real experiences once they leave the industry. These personal accounts are never pretty.

    Read more here . . .

    http://fightthenewdrug.org/10-porn-stars-speak-openly-about-their-most-popular-scenes/
     
  4. danielpalos

    danielpalos Banned

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    don't know. domination issues?

    i usually just watch the honest wife channel and the nice wife channel, for fun and practice.

    i recently got into the (*)(*)(*)(*) hungry whore channel.

    i love modern times.
     
  5. danielpalos

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    only the fantastical, right wing; doesn't believe in Capitalism and market based metrics.

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    i think women need a better excuse in modern, information age times. the last time women claimed that, they were wives, and we got Prohibition.
     
  6. Danneskjold

    Danneskjold Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You seem pretty against porn. You sure you don't want to ban it?
     
  7. ChrisL

    ChrisL Well-Known Member

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    I think I already addressed this question.
     
  8. danielpalos

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    dear, i can watch women giving birth, on YouTube in modern Information Age times. Why any problem with Human Sexuality in these same, modern times?
     
  9. ChrisL

    ChrisL Well-Known Member

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    Why not just admit that you don't give a crap about how the women are treated, as long as you get your rocks off?
     
  10. Danneskjold

    Danneskjold Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Don't try and make this about the motives behind opposite stance. The only motive I have is freedom of expression. Many women who do porn do enjoy it. They aren't victims in this. If they are, it's illegal and should be shut down. Otherwise don't watch.

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    Then stick to that, the porn is evil argument has no validity.
     
  11. ChrisL

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    When women are being abused, it is evil. Did you read the link yet? You need to educate yourself as to what is going on.

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    The only motive I have is preventing women from being harmed. Now, don't you tell ME not to assign motives when you are doing exactly that!
     
  12. Danneskjold

    Danneskjold Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No I don't care. You're argument is bunk. Fathers abuse their daughters. We don't lock up all fathers. We arrest the perpetrators.
     
  13. ChrisL

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    Who said anything about arresting people? Your arguments are lame. If women are being harmed (and PLENTY of them do claim that they are), then it is bad. You just want to ignore it because you like pornography and don't care if women are being harmed or not.

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    From my link . . .

    alex
    Alex

    “[One particular film] was the most brutal, depressing, scary scene that I have ever done. I have tried to block it out from my memory due to the severe abuse that I received during the filming. The [male performer] has a natural hatred towards women, in the sense that he has always been known to be more brutal than ever needed. I agreed to do the scene, thinking it was less beating except a punch in the head. If you noticed, [he] had worn his solid gold ring the entire time and continued to punch me with it. I actually stopped the scene while it was being filmed because I was in too much pain.”

    *FTND Note: In our research, we found that the viciousness of the film Alex is talking about caused the distributor to forego covering any further releases from the film studio. A critic on a popular porn review site wrote that the film was “one of the most morally repugnant pornographic movies I have seen” and “is the sort of movie that the government would cite when trying to arrest pornographers and outlaw pornography.”
     
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    Alexa
    “Like most porn performers, I perpetuated this lie. One of my favorite things to say when asked if I liked doing a particular scene was, “I only do what I like! I wouldn’t do it if I didn’t like it!” (I would say this with a big fake smile and giggle.) What a total lie! I did what I had to do to get “work” in porn. I did what I knew would help me gain “fame” in the industry.”

    *FTND Note: Vanessa Belmond (real name) is now outspoken on the harms of the porn industry and has been featured in several news sources. Click here to hear more of her story.
     
  15. Danneskjold

    Danneskjold Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I have said repeatedly if women are being harmed it should be stopped. I disagree with your assertion that pornography, in general, harms women or society as a whole. In any way.
     
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    Jessi
    “It was the most degrading, embarrassing, horrible thing ever. I had to shoot an interactive DVD, which takes hours and hours of shooting time, with a 104 degree fever! I was crying and wanted to leave but my agent wouldn’t let me, he said he couldn’t let me flake on it. I also did a scene where I was put with male talent that was on my ‘no list’. I wanted to please them so I did it. He stepped on my head […] I freaked out and started balling; they stopped filming and sent me home with reduced pay since they got some shot but not the whole scene.”

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    Regan
    “I got the **** kicked out of me… most of the girls start crying because they’re hurting so bad… I couldn’t breathe. I was being hit and choked. I was really upset and they didn’t stop. They kept filming. [I asked them to turn the camera off] and they kept going.”
     
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    Danneskjold Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Good for you, shall I find you some stores from women who have had the opposite experience? Are you one of those types that need a link? Can you accept that anecdotal evidence is in no way relevant to the discussion at hand?
     
  18. ChrisL

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    Anita
    “I have been a performer now for 14 years in the adult film industry in many countries, states . . . all over the place. I have worked for most of these companies, and I was around for the once-a-month HIV-positive outbreak in ’98. Yes, I was, and I got to see those performers that nobody knows about—that nobody claims that got HIV, that are not a part of the statistics—walk out the door as non-performers, not to be counted. Yeah, there are a lot of cover-ups going on. There is a lot of tragedy. There are a lot of horrible things.”

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    Elizabeth
    “Of course I lied to my fans. I led them to believe I lived a fantasy life which was far from the truth. I fed into their fantasies. I said I wanted sex 24/7 and made it seem like I absolutely loved what I did and was living this happy life. I gave them hope and insight into their relationships by telling them what to do. I started to feel like an important nobody, they knew Elizabeth [the porn star], but they would never care to know Jan [the real me].
    I had to do whatever the producer pleased and I had to accept it or else no pay. Sometimes you would get to a gig and the producer would change what the scene was supposed to be to something more intense and again if you didn’t like it, too bad, you did it or no pay.”
    *FTND Note: Jan Meza (real name) eventually left the porn industry and now works with the Pink Cross Foundation to spread awareness on the harms of the porn industry and help other porn stars get out of the business.

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    Jessie
    “People in the porn industry are numb to real life and are like zombies walking around. The abuse that goes on in this industry is completely ridiculous. The way these young ladies are treated is totally sick and brainwashing. I left due to the trauma I experienced even though I was there only a short time. I hung out with a lot of people in the adult industry, everybody from contract girls to gonzo actresses. Everybody has the same problems. Everybody is on drugs. It’s an empty lifestyle trying to full up a void. I became horribly addicted to heroin and crack. I overdosed at least three times, had tricks pull knives on me, have been beaten half to death…”



    britni
    Jenna
    “It was torture for seven years. I was miserable, I was lonely, I eventually turned to drugs and alcohol and attempted suicide. I knew I wanted out, but I didn’t know how to get out.”
    *FTND Note: Brittni Ruiz (real name) did eventually get out and now uses her story to spread awareness on the harms of the porn industry.

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    Genevieve
    “The abuse and degradation was rough. I sweated and was in deep pain. On top of the horrifying experience, my whole body ached, and I was irritable the whole day. The director didn’t really care how I felt; he only wanted to finish the video.”

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    If the pornography is depicting consensual sex acts, then I have no problem with it. If the pornography is depicting women being hurt/harmed, then I have a problem with that, because a lot of times they really ARE being hurt.
     
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    i also practice full body massage with happy ending and g-spot focus work.

    why don't women "call me" on my happy camper policy, instead of giving me the usual, lousy "customer service" for free.

    just "big chickens" while claiming, rooster pay?
     
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    Um no, and go find a new word to toss around. You aren't fooling anyone bub.
     
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    I never said I was against their arrangement.

    If I were single, old, and rich I'd have a smoking hot wife as well, no matter if she was using me or not.
     
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    That is what the pool guy is for. Like having a fine horse and not much time to ride. You need an exercise boy.
     
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    Of course it is relevant in this situation. These are current or ex porn performers who are TELLING you that they have been abused at the hands of coworkers, producers, etc. Women are not just objects for your pleasure. They are human beings with feelings and they feel pain!
     
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    Not quite sure how looking at pictures or videos represents a health hazard. I've not heard of anyone getting sick from it.

    Be that as it may the reason why internet porn has any appeal at all is because we live in a sexually repressive society that has been predominately fostered by religious beliefs. So is the "problem" the porn or religion that is sexually repressive making porn appeal to people?
     
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    The only people that would be repressed by religion are those who practice it and ADHERE to it.
     

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