Starting work before 10 a.m. is tantamount to torture

For hundreds of thousands of years, humans slept and woke in accordance with natural rhythms. And these rhythms were more-or-less maintained with the advent of agriculture. It wasn't until the industrial revolution that the standard "nine-to-five" work week emerged. And it wasn't based on humanity's natural rhythms, but on the profit-motive of industrialists and bankers. I personally had an extremely difficult time adapting to schooling schedules where I had to wake up sometimes as early as 6:30 AM. I always felt very tired and miserable throughout the school day. Many of my friends felt the same way. So how much damage is being done to humanity as a result of these artificial sleep schedules? I would surmise a great deal of damage. Hopefully science can fix this problem and allow people to live a more natural, more healthy life.

 

You don't need science to fix this "problem". Just don't accept a job that requires you to wake up at sunrise.

Problem solved!

 

actually the majority of humanity has risen at dawn and retired at dark, for almost the entire history of humanity.

it may not be our natural state, but it's served us well.

kids who can't get out of bed at 6am are simply going to bed too late.

 

while true, most people do not want to work 10am to 8pm

I do think schools should have day and night classes though, that way one school can serve twice as many kids

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If you cannot get your lazy butt out of bed early then you need to get yourself a tine machine and get back to 1950 and get yourself a job such as " night watchman" , second shift janitor, second shift Manchus operator, second shift hospital orderly, third shift warehouse worker. If you cannot get a time machine then get a job as a Kate night radio talk show host because you get iff work at 5:00AM and you can sleep until 2 or 3 in the afternoon.

 

I agree...but not understanding the "1950's" thing you mention.

 

Hey OP...If getting up early to start one's day amounts to "torture" then you are one very spoiled brat! ...I'm sure people who actually have been tortured appreciate you using that term is such a miniscule manner. Geez!

 

So getting waterboarded at 9am would be considered double torture?

 

What a bunch of idiots. What would they say about me having to get up on the farm at 4:30 in the summer. We had to go out and change the irrigation set. And that happened every year after I was 8 or 9!!!!!

BTW im 78 and ride my bike about 2000 miles every summer, and have never been in a hospital or had an operation.

 

This is true, but they also relaxed during the middle part of the day when it was the hottest.

 

You know nothing about me. And I'm not the one who said it, it was a researcher from Oxford.

 

They would say that one person proves nothing and that generalized statements require large data sets.

 

Good for you.

 

This isn't about me personally, it's about humanity in general.

And it's not just about jobs, but about the education system.

Maybe try reading the article.

 

Liberals that hate work come up with some the the most foolish ideas.

 

Well, the problem is people these days are staying up too late due to artificial lighting--which messes up any natural cycle they could have had. In the old days, people slept from shortly after sundown to dawn. I don't buy this insanity that people weren't meant to wake up before 10. It's total bull, based on most of human history.

 

If we wanted to go by biological clock, then the start of the day and length of the days work would change with the seasons. Humans wake with the sun and sleep when it goes down.

Biggest issue is that we don't sleep when the sun goes down, we stay up in false light then don't get enough sleep or at least good sleep.

 

What is it about liberals that they hate work so much??????

 

Actually it wasn't really until the invention of the soldier's watch that was available cheaply to the masses that this really started. I bet there were a lot fewer meetings when nobody really knew what time they were supposed to show up.

 

I love these discussions that tell me when people are capable of working or schooling to the highest potential... and how we should bend and change society to fit these patterns they have discovered... thing is, when I've poked and prodded the facts, we seem to constantly arrive at the same conclusions, which I would like to demonstrate by using the information you quoted in your original message, allow me to disseminate it in a way that follows a quite logical and noticeable pattern easily explained...

in your original message you said children aged 10 should not start school until 8:30am... children aged 16 should not start school until 10:00am... and college students should not start until 11:00am... now why would we need what we can only assume is more sleep as we age in this process? why on earth would we suddenly go from being a kid who is capable from learning at 8:30am to being an adult who is not capable of doing anything until 11:00am the following day? what could be causing this?

you know whats causing it... staying up later and later and later and later... you know the second thing affecting this in addition to staying up later, not sticking to a routine and achieving a regular sleep pattern at the same times... the reason why the kids can start so much earlier is because we MAKE them go to bed EVERY night at the SAME time and they learn and adjust and perform quite well when they have a routine and dedicated time to sleeping every single night that varies little each day... but as we grow up we stay up later, we stay up even later on weekends, we interrupt this sleep pattern, we screw up the schedule, we throw our bodies off, and this only gets amplified as a young adult in college who is just wrecking this pattern and routine that our body needs and required in order to recover and heal itself daily..

so this has NOTHING to do with time of day, it has EVERYTHING to do with time of night, and sticking to a routine schedule and not varying it at all... but instead, people are attempting to tell me students need to stay up later and start school later, no, they need to go to bed on time with plenty of time to get sleep, and to keep that schedule and not vary from it, thats the single largest determining factor in someone being ready and capable of performing at certain hours of the day... this is why many inner city schools are clammering and demanding we start later, because they claim students will be more rested and ready to learn, but its not because of some magical inner timer, its because their parents are horrible at putting them to bed and making sure they get the rest they need EVERY single night on a regular basis... so its not a lack of ability to learn or perform work at a timer period, its a lack of responsibility to set yourself up for success with a routine and schedule that works the way you need it...

this is nothing more than garbage interpretation of information to come to a conclusion desire by someone... perhaps if they spent more time looking into when people went to sleep and stuck to that schedule, they'd realize there is nothing to see here, and all they need to do is work on their sleep patterns and routines, pick a time of the night, make sure you get 8-9 hours UNINTERRUPTED and go to bed every single night at that time... I guarantee after your body adjusts you will have ZERO problem being able to focus or perform your duties... and it had nothing to do with your age, it has everything to do with you screwing with that sleep pattern for your entertainment purposes... (my night shifts have never had a problem performing at night, in fact most of them perform better than the daytime folks, because working nights means they are used to being up during the disruptive times when other employees would normally have to stay up later to partake in some activity, the older the employees get, the more apt they are to having regular sleep patterns, and why they perform better than younger employees who go out and party on days off screwing up their sleep schedules)

 

Hate is a strong word.
But the reason for me (why I don't like going to work) is if I have to be paid to do it, it's obviously something I would rather not do given my choice, other wise it's called a hobby.
Is this topic about education or work?
I feel left out, as I'm awake at night, and the sun makes me sleepy, specially when the birds come out, but I'm used to working 12 hours a day 6 days a week, so put that in some type of statistic.

 

I have no issues with it, I was simply pointing out a historical fact.

 

Ok...but why do you feel the need to repeat it? Dare I ask... Do you relate to what "Mr. researcher from Oxford" he has to say?

 

This is a great post. I am a night owl and find it extremely difficult to wake up before 10. They should reduce the work day by 2 hours, and make it 10-6.

 

That's just insult to injury.