Donald Trump's Ego Is Going to Further Polarize American Politics

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by charleslb, Oct 17, 2016.

  1. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Obama never understood what leadership is.
     
  2. Texas Republican

    Texas Republican Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Obama mocks the right ("bitter clingers") routinely. And he wants to fundamentally change what was a great country.

    He's the agitator.

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    I'm not a "Trump fan".
     
  3. Quantum Nerd

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    You know, your past posts can be searched on here. For not being a Trump fan, you do quote a bit of defending him and attacking Clinton. Are you going to vote for him, yes or no?
     
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    Texas Republican Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Trump is not ready for prime time. He's an idiot. And sadly, he's no conservative.

    But Hillary is just plain evil, like the emperor in Star Wars.

    I hate this election. I'll probably vote for Trump, but that's like picking Pol Pot over Chairman Mao.
     
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    But surely, you don't think that is the case here.
     
  6. TomFitz

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    Thomas Franks, in his well regarded examination of the American right "What's the Matter With Kansas" devoted an entire chapter to the far right's persecution complex and the way that right wing demogogues and infotainers pander to it.

    Of course, for real live proof, all you need to do is turn on just about any right wing talk radio show, or Fox News.

    Trump has taken up the mantle of reinforcing the belief of these people that they are powerless and that various "elites" (big city people, immigrants, the educated, in short the same list of supects that flyover country has hated since the days of the Grange).

    Of course, like Limbaugh, Ailes, Gingrich and the rest, Trump could care less about the real needs and issues of the people he looks out upon at his rallies.

    They feed his ego, and he sees them as useful idiots. Trump cares about nobody. But he knows his audience responds to chest beating, appeals to ignorance, fear and resentment, and authoritarianism.

    He gives them that, and that's all he will ever give them.

    Once this is over, Trump will probably get busy trying to figure out a way to exploit them for his own personal gain.
     
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    I apologize, didn't realize that. I don't have much love for Clinton either, but would vote for her (if I could) over Trump.
     
  8. charleslb

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    Well said.
     
  9. AmericanNationalist

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    Let me ask a question: Are we or are we not at war? As far as I can see, we're at war against Islamic 'Extremism'(we saw a report on what 'Moderate' Islam looks like, not very moderate if you ask me.) This ideology furthermore seeks an overthrow of Western Civilization. Not an assimilation, not joining our communities in a common alignment.

    They want to undermine and make us into a Muslim-oriented country, just as they had succeeded in every other country where the conversion succeeded. Given the incompatibility between Islam and the West, I have suggested that the two regions and thought processes should stay within their perspective territories.

    It isn't just "us leaving them", they have to leave us as well or the conflict will continue.
     
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    republicans never respected his leadership as they are sore losers and choose to block even the things they themselves supported in the past if Obama supported them
     
  11. charleslb

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    Well, my friend, it's a harshly empirical fact that capitalism features some stark disparities that the working masses are on the unhappy end of. To state some fundamental facts of life under capitalism: 1)) capitalists control most of the economic wealth created by the labor of workers, and of course the means of producing it – this, the ability to control people's livelihood, is real power, 2) not only do capitalists use their enormous money power to co-opt individual politicians and subvert our society's semblance of democracy, but our entire political-legal system is a superstructural outgrowth from the underlying capitalist reality of our society and not authentically and deeply democratic to begin with, 3) it's the interests of capitalists that dictate the wars in which working-class men and women are mere cannon fodder – the recent invasion-occupation of Iraq is an excellent case in point, 4) the values and drives that rule the lives of capitalists (viz. the worship of the almighty dollar and the drive for accumulation) rule life in general, misdirect the life-career of John and Jane Q. Worker toward all the wrong (unfulfilling) life-goals, and produce a population of human beings trapped in an existential crisis. If all of this economic, social, cultural, and political power disproportionately wielded by the capitalist ruling class, and the consequent disenfranchisement and immiseration of the working class and underclasses of our society doesn't plainly amount to a capitalists vs. workers state of affairs and dynamic in your eyes, well, then there's something quite seriously awry with your way of processing reality.
     
  12. Durandal

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    It is necessary for social and economic function that somebody control the wealth, otherwise nothing much would get done. That's why there have always been these different "classes" of people in the history of civilisation. We need people who can direct wealth and organise other people in order to accomplish great endeavors. Capitalism as we know it today is actually the most free, liberating system we can have that will still allow for this necessary control and organisation. It beats the hell out of Communism, which due to its over-centrification and too-heavy reliance on top-down management misses or ignores economic reality and thus squanders resources left and right. Capitalism is much more bottom-up and organic, allowing the little people to act freely to shape the economy.
     
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    Actually, the so-called "war on terror" is in large measure merely a propagandistic pretext for the economic elites who exercise too much influence and power in our system, and in the capitalist world system, to play hardball (i.e. use military force, the resources of the modern national security state, repressive Third-World client governments, etc.) in their ongoing efforts to impose, maintain, buttress, amp up, and extend their hegemony. That is, the war that in actuality is being perpetrated is a war of domination, not defense, being waged on behalf of our plutocratic ruling class by a thoroughly co-opted government and military. To use what might sound like cliche jargon to you, in its unlovely nakedness, shorn of self-righteous rhetoric about self-defense, and the rule of law, and that oldie but goodie, "making the world safe for democracy", what the "war on terror" fundamentally comes down to is inflicting hegemony and imperialism on the Third World, and coping with the inevitable retaliation of our victims.

    The hegemony and imperialism visited upon the peoples of the Middle East by colonialist European powers; and then by the United States; this country's use of brutally repressive puppet regimes, such as that of the Shah of Iran; our military aggressions (an unjust invasion-occupation of Iraq that cost over a million innocent human lives, for instance); our ongoing aggression aimed protecting the interests of our economic elites in an oil-rich region of the globe, not defeating ISIS because it's evil and we're morally superior foes of evil; all of this has provoked an understandably negative and hostile reaction. A product of which is of course the rise of what feels to Westerners like extremist ideologies, go figure. The West is, to put it quite simply, reaping the hatred that its ruling class has sown in the minds and hearts of its victims. But of course Westerners prefer to entirely gloss over how Muslims have been provoked and are merely fighting back, the cop-out explanation that Muslims are simply prone to fanaticism is much more to our liking.

    Now some of your own extremist thinking is peeking out a bit.
     
  14. AmericanNationalist

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    My extremist thinking? By your logic, the entire Western World and allies looks to subjugate the Middle East(incidentally, propaganda that our enemies believe) and that they are 'poor' victims retaliating against the Western Powers. Even I conceded to their grievances of 'aggression', their retaliation is against civilians. They'd argue that our collateral damage is also against innocents.

    But collateral damage is unintended. They are INTENTIONALLY killing innocents. That's the big difference. You'd be better off making Tcassa's argument, that we should leave them be and they'd return to killing each other off. But after Rhwanda, are we going to just watch genocide take place?

    We could, but it'd leave a bad taste in everyone's mouths. Maybe we just can't prevent that kind of thing and should at least try to prevent the ideology from reaching the hands of other extremists.
     
  15. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You can't respect something that doesn't exist.
     
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    Just so I understand your point, Trumps ego is what is going to further divide the nation?

    Not the now proven collusion between the major media and the Hilary campaign.
    Not the now proven rigged FBI "investigation" of Hilary's illegal handling of classified information.
    Not the now leaked video of "progressive" party operatives discussing plans to create violence at Trump events.
    Not the now (today) leaked video of Democrat party officials discussing election fraud.
    Not the corruption at the Clinton Foundation.
    Not the planned packing of the supreme court with "progressive" political appointees.
    Not Hilarys speech to banksters in which she says she wants open borders and one hemisphere wide govt.
    Not the "progressives" plans for amnesty and citizenship for illegals in order to pollute the electorate.
    Not the banning of firearms.

    None of those, but the real problem is Trumps ego? That's your claim?
     
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    why did they not believe he existed, is this a birther thing?
     
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    Wow - what a collection of myths!!

    Are you actually going to suggest that Trump isn't getting his fair share of media coverage??? That's got to be the most ridiculous idea in this entire election. There have been periods where Trump was so dominant in the media that one couldn't even FIND Clinton!
     
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    Why would anyone actually vote for Hilary? At this point, with every "right wing conspiracy" now proven to be true thanks to WikiLeaks and additional video (don't people realize that everyone has a camera?), Hilary not only has no redeeming qualities but is proven to be a despicable, corrupt, utterly devious scoundrel who will sell out the nation to the highest bidder. Every single office both private and public she has held she has used for her own personal gain at the expense of her clients and constituents.

    Trump's issues are almost all related to personality - his ego, his manners, his boorishness. That is a far cry from the incredible depths of dishonesty from Hilary.
     
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    Oh looky, a parrot said,"Polarize."
     
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    As they should be.
     
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    Get up to speed. There is email and/or video of Democrats admitting to almost every one, and the culprits don't deny it. And they cannot.


    I never said any such thing. And that's a totally irrelevant issue.

    But that's your point, isn't it? You want to do whatever you can to move attention away from the utterly corrupt and despicable Hilary and "progressive" cartel.

    Won't work. The stench from Hilary is so bad it cannot be hidden, even the flies are following the stench as if to a rotting animal:

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    Not surprised you can't follow along, we were talking about leadership.
     
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    I'm having a problem seeing exactly what the problem is that you are having. I just don't see the there there. It is like when Obama first took office and took Michelle out on a romantic date. Conservatives were all up in arms as if some horrible thing had happened. The credibility of the conservative message has long ago fallen into the same category as the credibility of the boy who cried wolf. It has gotten to the point where it is like, "ahem here we go again.
     
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    And of course leadership is a big deal to conservatives. While liberals are working on bringing equality to as many people as possible conservatives are busy playing follow the leader. That is the difference in this election. Liberals and progressives want Hillary to win so that "we" can improve our country whereas Trump supporters expect "him" to improve their lot in life.
     

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