Royal Air Force Pilots Ordered To Shoot Down "Hostile" Russian Jets Over Syria

There are 3 (more or less) realistic approaches that Russia can take towards the US/Western alliance, as follows:

1- Cold War Approach: Firmly and genuinely stand up against US hegemony in international affairs and risk being labeled a "pariah" That would be fine with me but many Russians -- after decades of Cold War with the US during the Soviet era -- apparently don't welcome this choice.
2- Near Russia Sphere Approach: Reach a modus vivendi with the US, based on which the Russians will be given a sphere in "near Russia" but would be careful not to upset the apple cart anywhere else and either explicitly or at least implicitly toe the US line in other areas. This is actually what the Russians were after but this approach has one problem: the military industrial complex isn't going to be thrilled losing Russia as a potential excuse for their extravagant demand on the American budget. Frankly, that is a 'good problem' from an over-arching, global perspective, where American unilateralism and hegemony can be quite a bad thing. Almost as bad (even if not quite as bad in most places outside the Middle East) as such hegemony being exercised by any other nation.
3- The Non-Aligned Approach: This would be similar to #2, except it wouldn't arise from any agreement nor claim any spheres for Russia. Instead, Russia would basically act independently but within the framework of things as defined by the West. In other words, even if the Russians don't approve of a policy and aren't willing to go along with it, they would have to merely 'abstain' themselves and not exercise any 'veto" either in the UN Security Council or elsewhere more generally. This approach might find Russia more friends in certain quarters in America, but it will have its opponents nonetheless. The 'good news' for Russia is that the Israelis, through AIPAC and the pro Israeli lobby in the US, are open to this idea. The bad news is that this idea promises Russia nothing of the kind of independence and place in the international order that fits the Russian mentality.
4- The German Approach: Fore swear all ambitions to be independent of the US and simply follow its rhyme and logic. I don't think until and unless Russia is utterly defeated in the battle field, this option is a realistic one to expect from the Russians.

 

I wonder how many W-87's it would take to make Moscow permanently glow in the dark?

 

I've just read that the Russian naval task force will pass through the English channel this morning, en route to Syria. If I knew what time I'd be able to watch it. That would be a sight to behold?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-37725327

 

1. Norwegian pilot took video carrier battle groups to the Russian Navy, "Admiral Kuznetsov"

[video=youtube;cIvySV1SvUw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIvySV1SvUw&feature=youtu.be[/video]

2. Interesting reflections of the British journalist - Stop this stupid sabre-rattling against Russia http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/10/stop-this-stupid-sabre-rattling-against-russia/

A sober look at international events. It was interesting to me.

 

A few photos.

 

I think for Texas is enough two 'Topol M'. And Texas will glow even during the day, not just at night.

 

The Russians are EXTREMELY paranoid. They think there's going to be this huge war. There won't be.

 

The group is passing now. I can only see the outlines of the ships on the horizon but that carrier is one impressive sight.

 

Oh stop with the bragging and bring your subscription up to date you mean sod!

 

Yah..you're right nato didnt move an inch..they moved a mile! Gorbachev was irrelevant, cccp was dead, what's your point? Agreement with Russia..riiight..not like when they make a move..they don't far, Crimea, georgia, east Ukraine? See where I'm going with this?

 

I envy you.

 

Oh, and what makes you think that? Is it because the West will not tolerate Russia's aggression against her neighbors? The West hasn't changed. Your beloved Mother Russia has. Russia began down the road to freedom and democracy, but it has taken a very dramatic turn back to autocracy and fascism. What has changed is Russia began invading and annexing the lands of its weaker neighbors, in essence repeating the actions taken by a guy named Adolph Hitler and which led to WW II, even going so far as to offer the same excuses Hitler offered to justify his illegal aggression. The West finds that disturbing. Those are the things which have changed. The West hasn't changed. Russia has changed.

If Russia gets back on course the West will have no problems with Russia. Russia needs to ditch the aggression. It needs to give back the lands it has stolen from its neighbors and it needs to ditch the autocracy for its own sake. The West can live with Russia's autocracy. But it cannot live with Russia's aggression.

 

Well, unfortunately for you comrade facts matter. Instead of rolling on the floor in laughter you would be better served if you did your homework and perhaps indulging in a little less Russian happy juice.


"1942 "Declaration of United Nations" by the Allies of World War II
Main article: Declaration by United Nations
The earliest concrete plan for a new world organization began under the aegis of the US State Department in 1939" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations#Background

The Soviet Union was one of the first members along with many other countries, but the US was the creator and the driving force behind the United Nations. When the Soviet Union ceased to exist in 1991, so did it's membership in The United Nations.

"The USSR collapsed in late 1991. Eleven of the twelve members of the Commonwealth of Independent States signed a declaration on December 21, 1991, agreeing that "Member states of the Commonwealth support Russia in taking over the USSR membership in the UN, including permanent membership in the Security Council." One day before the resignation of Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev, Ambassador Y. Vorontsov transmitted to the UN Secretary-General Javier Pérez de Cuéllar a letter from President of the Russian Federation Boris Yeltsin stating that:
the membership of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics in the United Nations, including the Security Council and all other organs and organizations of the United Nations system, is being continued by the Russian Federation (RSFSR) with the support of the countries of the Commonwealth of Independent States. In this connection, I request that the name 'Russian Federation' should be used in the United Nations in place of the name 'the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics'. The Russian Federation maintains full responsibility for all the rights and obligations of the USSR under the Charter of the United Nations, including the financial obligations. I request that you consider this letter as confirmation of the credentials to represent the Russian Federation in United Nations organs for all the persons currently holding the credentials of representatives of the USSR to the United Nations.[2]

The Secretary-General circulated the request among the UN membership. There being no objection, the Russian Federation took the USSR's place, with Boris Yeltsin personally taking the Russian Federation's seat at the January 31, 1992 Security Council meeting. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia_and_the_United_Nations"

 

Noone is going to attack anyone, everybody calm down.

Russia is just tooting its horn and showings its strength, noone could invade Russia and win just like noone could invade most NATO countries and win. War now days will escalate to nukes when ish hits the fan.

Putin is doing a FANTASTIC job of getting his country back on the map, people are already talking about them being a 'military super power' again. If you guys can fix your economy just keep doing what you are doing and you WILL transplant the American world wide system. We are destroying ourselves more quickly than any nuke you guys could fire ever would.

Since the Democrats just got caught basically completely cheating things have gone down hill extremeley fast. Even my hard core Democratic friends are saying they are absolutely disgusted.

They are so freaking lucky that it is Trump they are going against, literally I think a stuffed animal would beat Hillary at this point.

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Interesting read, I have never looked at that. Gonna go yougoogalize some more on it now.

Thx

 

You should tell that to Israel also.

And maybe the US should stop trying to overthrow a sovereign government again. Recent history has shown this to be a failure for the good of their people 100% of the time we've done it. Good for Russia in sticking up for Syria.

 

There will be wars, but they will be fought in other countries because that's the way the US wants it... Eventually though it might end up into a major war. Until now it's been going on in Ukraine and Syria, but Turkey will be the next battlefield. Right now they're asserting themselves militarily not only in northern Iraq and Syria under the pretense of fighting Al Nusra and ISIS while in reality helping them, but threatening and making claims on the Aegean and Greek islands.

One head of the Turkish government said that the restoration of the Ottoman Empire will continue until 2050. The migrants sent into Europe and especially Greece is part of this restoration.

If one reads Erdogan's speeches, they are strongly reminiscent of Adolph Hitler... and even worse is that the Turkish people are reacting to him the way the Germans reacted in the past. A Turkish head said they will be rebuilding the Ottoman Empire until 2050.

Erdogan believes that the economic deals with Russia with the gas pipeline is all that matters to them, and that they will not react to Turkey's aggression but he's wrong. There is no way Russia will allow a Turkish takeover of the M.E., Aegean, the Eastern Mediterranean and the Balkans since they are of strategic importance, so there will be a war. More than likely Nato will support Turkey... and that's where the fighting will be.

Vladimir Putin is a peacemaker, so he probably assumes he can reason with Erdogan and is willing to accept his lies... or at least for the time being. Erdogan though is a megalomaniac with a messianic view of himself, so eventually he will overstep.

This map is only part of Erdogan's dreams and ambitions. The Turks see the loss of Rome and Europe as only a temporary set back. They believe Islam supersedes Christianity, so the European conquest to them is something that's been pre ordained by Allah. They consider it their job to do it since they are the sword of Islam.

 

That's the paranoia we've been discussing

 

Topol M: Single 800 kt SSBM

Less than 2 megatons for 268,000+ square miles? 1.6 megatons wouldn't even finish off the Houston metropolitan area.

 

Oh so Turkey hasn't invaded northern Syria and Iraq under a pretense of fighting terrorists? Interesting! From what I read they surprised the US and its plans to have ISIS escape into Syria, by helping them in taking over oil rich Mosul from the Kurds. Much of the city has fallen.

Anyway Erdogan has declared war on Greece by saying the Lausanne Treaty is now null and void... so it's not just northern Syria and Iraq they're claiming. In a few months they will be receiving quite a large amount of jets ...so let the wars commence.

 

It's one of a kind, 100 ft shorter, less than 2/3 the air wing (52 vs 75+) of one of our 10 Nimitz class carriers (2 of which are already in the region). I'm not impressed. It uses a ramp launch system instead of catapults, which means the planes it does get in the air have to go up light on weapons and fuel just to get off the flight deck - diminishing range and firepower, with no carrier based airborne refueling option. Add to that, it's a floating train wreck. It has to be escorted by tugs because its power system is so unreliable and it might be adrift without warning. That power system is conventional, btw, which means she's dependent on her fleet tenders for fuel, unlike our nuclear powered carriers. The last time it was in the Med, it was followed by NATO ships. Not because we believed it was a threat, but because we were afraid it was in such bad shape it might sink and wanted to be on hand to rescue the crew if necessary.

Even without the reliability issues, the Kuznetsov is hopelessly outclassed against a modern supercarrier. It's more in line with our Wasp class. While the Wasps only have half the air wing of the Kuznetsov, they also can carry a Marine Expeditionary Unit (1,900 men) and the amphibious vehicles to deploy them. And we have 9 of those, BTW. If you want to be impressed, go hang around San Diego or Norfolk...

 

Here's something from Gatestone Institute, which by the way is what N. Korea now has:

A Super-EMP weapon is designed to produce special effects (gamma rays, in the case of Super-EMP). A Super-EMP warhead, while having a seemingly insignificant explosive yield, could be far more deadly and dangerous to the United States than the most powerful H-Bomb ever built.

Russia's Tsar H-Bomb, (known as Tsar Bomba), the most powerful H-Bomb ever detonated, produced during its test in October 1961 a yield of 60 megatons. It would have been capable of flattening everything in the state of Rhode Island.

A Super-EMP weapon, however, detonated 300 kilometers above the center of the U.S., could destroy the entire nation's industrial and military capacity, and kill a large percentage of the American people, by taking down the U.S. electrical grid. Once destroyed, the grid's elements would take decades to rebuild.​

 

That's not going to start a war between US and Russia. Only Hillary Clinton can do that

 

I read that the Kuznetsov is not really an aircraft carrier since Russia is large enough to be its own aircraft carrier. The ship is made more for missile defense.

 

Yes, it could decimate non-hardened electronics. However, since our command and control facilities and communications are hardened against EMP, and damage to the continental US won't do dick to reduce the efficacy of our SSBN's, or Eurasian based forces, about half of Russia's - or all of North Korea's - civilian population would be radioactive ash within minutes of said detonation. Even Putin isn't that stupid, and little Kim doesn't have anything with the range to reach 100 miles above Kansas.

And while Tsar Bomba was impressive, it was hardly practical. You don't have anything in your arsenal that could deliver a monster like that.

I guess the point of all this is: Your move, Vlad...

 

By taking the hits that would otherwise sink better ships?