Boom! National Poll: Trump Leading 67% To Hillary’s 19% Of 50,000 Voters

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  1. AlphaOmega

    AlphaOmega Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No its not. Im not interested in the other posts you have with others or culling them out. If you want to continue with me don't include me in multi quotes, after two I wont read what you write to me.
     
  2. Conviction

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    For the first part, if it wasn't for America Europe would be in control by either nazis or Bolsheviks.

    As a republican voter since voting age, honestly you can argue Trump is a RINO that is fair game. But his a populist and won the republican primary with the most votes ever in a 16 person field. And if you describe conservatism/republicanism as adhering to small government, constitutionalist, Friedman-esque economics. None of those guys are that. They are big government, open boarder, oligarch controlled puppets.
     
  3. Mr. Swedish Guy

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    I haven't heard of that actually. Care to give me some reliable sources so I may read up on it?

    come on now, you know they're real republicans. They might not be everything you like, but you can't just go around re-defining conservatism like that. I don't think they're perfect either, but this silliness of denouncing everyone who doesn't agree with you as a heretic-conservative gotta stop. it's ridiculous, and harmful too. You have the neocons, libertarians, paleocons, christian right, and now also the alt-right, each denouncing everyone else as not being "real" conservatives. Way to build party unity eh?

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    it really takes one second to do that, but okay princess. here you go, a post all for yourself.

    Edit: lol. this was actually not intented.. but it was funny, a bit.
     
  4. AlphaOmega

    AlphaOmega Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If it only takes ones second to do it, then how about you spend the 1 second to not do it? I only answered because it appears you did this accidentally.
     
  5. Conviction

    Conviction Well-Known Member

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    Also you haven't seen what the media is doing, and it's corrupt dealings with the DNC. This election is as much a referendum on the media as it is liberal policies.
     
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    Durandal Well-Known Member Donor

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    Some people just can't deal with reality. I've actually seen Trump yard signs disappear in my area, and it is a relatively conservative area..
     
  7. garyd

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    Okay since no one in there right mind is going to pay six figures to listen to Hillary speak exactly what are they paying for, all those bankers and foreign leaders? I'll give you a hint it ain't grape juice. Next Neocon are what we use to call scoop Jackson Democrats. Their only disagreement with the Democrats is over defense spending, the Bush's are all that remains of the old Rockefeller Republicans they also don't give a crap about the size of the federal government as long as they are running it. Neither group is or ever has been, in truth, a conservative. And no Trump isn't really a conservative either but he is what us never Hillary folk are stuck with at the moment. Trump promises to nominate conservatives for SCOTUS for now that will have to do. And by the way Hillary is far more bellicose about fighting the one war that for the sake of the world we should do what we can to avoid.
     
  8. Mr. Swedish Guy

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    well, actually estonia came under the control of the bolsheviks partly because of the USA (since ussr was on allied side), so there you go. So again, no american lives have been lost defending estonia. On the contrary, you were allied with the bolsheviks who went on to occupy estonia. and as for sweden, we were never at war anyways so it doesn't matter. Point being, lives of non-americans have been given to help american after it was attacked. America has allies, and she helps them but also gets help in return. What you have written is not provocative, and credit to you for that, but what others write is. They speak of europe as just moochers. Such ungrateful little (*)(*)(*)(*)s they are, when swedes have given their lives for the USA but no americans have done the same for Sweden. boils my blood

    edit: I don't think no conservative president has fit that description actually... Presidents in general stopped being strictly consitutionalist after the civil war. no president ever followed friedman economics. and no president was small government since the new deal. You'd have to go back to the 19th or maybe 18th century to find someone maybe fitting that.
     
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    And you're sure they weren't stolen?
     
  10. Mr. Swedish Guy

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    Now I'm going to have to spend minutes waiting for other people to post, so that that my posts doesn't get automatically merged with my other replies, just to satisfy you. I'd say that's a bit more effort. and yes it was accidental.

    I mean, all you have to do is click where the reply ends, then hold and scroll up to the first quote thingy, then mark everything in between and delete it. goes very quick. you know, I thought multiquoting was bad and messy first too, but then i took an arrow to the knee. no, jk, i just did it anyways and realised it is actually much smoother.
     
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    and the most accurate polling firm in the last 3 presidential elections has Trump up by 1
     
  12. Mr. Swedish Guy

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    of course hillary is corrupt. But don't tell me you think Trump isn't? The guy is open with that he's been corrupt his whole career, bribing countless politicians...

    I think this scotus thing is overblown. What's at stake is roe v wade, ssm, and citizens united, and quite frankly those things are not very important, and in any case I tend to agree more with the liberal argument (I made a thread about my opinion on citizens united v FEC some days ago, but I think it was drowned in the threads about the debates. i'll pm you the link, i would appriciate a discussion on it).
     
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    There will be no revolution.

    The 2A believers on the right are cowards. For god's sake, to them, they lost "their" country to a "foreign born america hating muslim tyrant" 8 years ago and all they did for these 8 years is whining on the internet instead of overthrowing the "usurper."
     
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    You are selling Trump short ! There are so many secret Trump supporters out there that Trump will win 84% of the vote when Hillary will be getting 16%.

    People really love this Trump guy and they will walk, crawl, swim, or fly to the polls to vote for their savior.
    They will drive their wheelchairs to get to the polls. They will get there on crutches or be carried there on stretchers but they will vote. They will also already have voted by absentee ballot.
     
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    If it's clash of civilizations, you still don't see the indirect consequences for Sweden what we do? The point is, to this day, you would be under totalitarian rule if it weren't for USA. Moochers, I wouldn't go that far but I do think more weight needs to be picked up.

    What makes a republican to you? Neocon foreign policy, big govt?
     
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    Another bookmark worthy thread
     
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    AlphaOmega Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Sure I could do that, but I'm not going to. Its irritating picking through your other conversations. If you want my attention, I require your undivided attention as well. Also people use multi quotes to evade answering direct questions and that's another reason I give one pass and then ignore after two. Thus the flare video.

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    Hurt a bit, didn't it.
     
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    So reminds me of a song...

    Ding dong the witch is dead, the wicked witch, the wicked (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)
    Ding dong the wicked (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) is dead

    Whew... has me a bit worried that the insanity of her supporters was contagious and would spread like the plague. I guess wilkileaks got the vaccine out in time to vaccinate against stupidity and we have stopped the spread of this stupidity virus in time. The dooms day clock has just been set back and we will not have to worry about Clinton starting the war to end all wars in her lack of judgment and sociopathy. Hooray. Rationality saved us...thanks assange.
     
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    You're right, if it wasn't for the USA, germany would've won and Sweden would have to bow to the nazis. But the same can be said of the ussr. hadn't it been for them, nazi germany wouldn't have been defeated. But does this mean we owe a "thank you" to the ussr or usa? No, because neither country did what they did for our sake. They attacked germany because they were attacked first. They acted in self defense. The side effects of them defeating germany happened to be good for sweden, but it was not an intentional act of good will towards sweden. This is unlike the example I gave with Sweden today, which intentionally sent their troops to die for the USA.

    A conservative is someone who understands the importance of stability, caution, and gradual change in politics, based on a belief that mankind is of a fixed flawed nature, and that society exists as a means to mitigate those flaws. That is the nutshell definition. So, it is to me not the policy positions which define a conservative, but their understanding of man and society. The actual policy positions can vary quite a lot.. Conservatives can range from laissez faire eonomics to state capitalism, from isolationism to interventionist hawk, from small government to big.. It is their justification for the policies which matter, not the policy itself. Conservatism is, in this regard, the most flexible of the ideologies.
     
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    Wow, talk about embellishment! The BS drama some of these posters relish in amazes me.
     
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    Its wrong to reject racism because Adolf Hitler supported it. Let go of your fear.
     
  22. Conviction

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    Indirect or not, you guys have had a net positive from our presence. And you are skewing things. We had 2 enemies and we beat them one at a time, and we intervened in WW2 way before we were attacked at Pearl Harbor. We provided financial aid in the billions to Britain and USSR, imposed an oil embargo on the japan war machine, and allowed our men to enlist in the British Air Force.

    Based on this trump could be a real republican. He encapsulates much of the same people that supported previous "republicans"
     
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    okay, but you have my undivided attention now, so lets get back to whatever it was we were supposed to be writing about.
     
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    Funny many of us think of Hillary in the same manner.
     
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    By that standard Sweden was also fighting in ww2.. We send thousands of volunteers and supplies to finland when they were invaded by the soviets. We traine danish and norwegian resistance troops. Swedes volunteered in the allied armies (and the german also to be fair). No, the point is, the US wasn't at war until it was attacked. The only country which joined the war for "noble" reasons was the UK, which went to war to defend poland because of a treaty. The other countries, including the us, just went to war because they were attacked.

    first of all, conservative =/= republican. and secondly, no, that's exactly why trump is NOT a conservative. He doesn't have the underlying conservative philosophy.
     

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