The October Surprise ... not

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  1. Sam Bellamy

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    Don't kid yourself. The FBI already knew there's overwhelming criminal evidence against team Hillary contained in the nearly three quarters of a million emails. Had they sat on this information until after the election like that corrupt, lying, good for nothing DOJ (Lynch) wanted, all hell would have broken loose in this country.
     
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    Lie. If you have to lie to make your point, you lose credibility. Are you not aware that there are many rapists and drug dealers coming across our border with Mexico, bringing drugs, raping other illegal immigrants trying to cross the borders? Please deny this truth, because this is what Trump is talking about, he is bringing out the truth.

    Did he? What was the insult? I didn't hear him insult her.

    He apologized for his off color remarks he made more than a decade ago. At least he didn't rape and sexually assault women like Bill Clinton. Since you can forgive Clinton for rape, why can't you forgive Trump for his bad language?

    Because it's true.

    If you want to misinterpret his comments to mean whatever. Get over it, he was talking about 2A advocates voting in huge numbers, not suggesting they shoot her.

    Obama and the democrats doubled the national debt to over $20 trillion dollars after calling Bush a traitor because it went up $4 trillion under his watch.

    He wants to strengthen NATO by redefining it's mission and requiring members to pay their fair share.

    No he doesn't. He's gave a warning that it would happen if something isn't done about proliferation. You don't get his New York dialectic manner of speaking.

    Obama has done that for the past 10 years, criticizing America and other politicians.



    You guys have a bad habit of misconstruing Trump's words. He said Putin was a better leader than Obama.

    He joked that Russia should release Hillary's 33,000 deleted emails. Russia doesn't take orders from Trump. They've been spying on us for decades.

    I think Putin would prefer Hillary. He's already rolled over her in Crimea and Ukraine, just like Governor Sarah Palin said he would. She owes him and he probably has all the dirt on him. Since she sold 1/5th of US uranium to him for a $500,000 speaking fee, Putin knows the can be bought, and he can also blackmail her.

    I don't think Putin would like to have a strong US president like Trump.

    How do you know?

    So did Al Gore in 2000. The presidency has been decided by congress in fact because a winner was not determined by the election. That's how it works. We have a right to a fair election, and a right to contest it if it is not fair.

    We'll see.
     
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    When did this happen and why was the evidences not presented before the primaries,
    is there some manipulation to put someone in the democrat side that they could decimate later?
     
  4. Sandy Shanks

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    On the heels of the FBI releasing a confusing letter to Congress saying only that they are investigating Hillary due to emails on someone else’s computer, yesterday the FBI released a file on a sixteen-year old dead case. They released 129 pages of documents from a 2001 investigation into Bill Clinton's controversial presidential pardon of fugitive Marc Rich. In its tweet Tuesday, the FBI admitted the case had been closed in 2005. No charges were filed. The pages were heavily redacted, and there was no new information.

    In a statement, the FBI said that any material requested three or more times under the Freedom of Information Act is automatically made available to the public online on a "first in, first out basis." Clinton spokesman Brian Fallon commented, “Absent a FOIA litigation deadline, this is odd. Will the FBI be posting docs on Trump's housing discrimination in '70’s?”

    The release was issued by an automated FBI Twitter account. By some strange coincidence, prior to Sunday, the account hadn't tweeted since October 2015. A law enforcement official stated that the Twitter account is an automatic feed and the tweets are not done manually. The official said the feed was down for a year until Sunday, when it was fixed and then began tweeting automatically.

    It certainly appears as though Comey, who was once a registered Republican and contributed to the 2008 and 2012 Republican nominees, John McCain and Mitt Romney, is attempting to interfere in the election on Trump’s behalf. His letter to Congress on Friday contained no new information. In point of fact, Comey did not even know what was in the emails from Weiner’s computer. The release of the file on Rich contained no new information. Clearly, Comey’s actions are prejudicial against Clinton. There appears to be no other explanation.
     
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    Regarding Trump's rapists and drug dealers quote, I have provided Trump's own words. Clearly, he was maligning Mexicans.

    Regarding his obscene video, as a runner in track in high school and college, an ice hockey player, and a Marine, I have been in many locker rooms and anyone that talks like that is regarded as a jerk. The vast majority of men respect women. Of course, I can't speak for what you say in locker rooms. Perhaps that is why you think Trump's obscenities are the new normal. They are not. The vast majority of American men are not at all like Trump.

    That Obama and Hillary lead to the formation of ISIS is ludicrous. When Bush invaded Iraq he created a vacuum of power. Al Queda moved into that vacuum. A few years later, AQ became al Queda in Iraq (AQI). AQI then changed its name to the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) in 2013.

    As far as spending is concerned, I provided expert opinion, not my opinion, that Trump would add $5.3 trillion to the National Debt and Hillary only $200 billion. Bear in mind Trump inherited the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression and two wars from Bush. TARP, passed in Oct. 2008, was largely spent during the Obama administration along with other remedies to the Great Recession.

    Cyber experts agree Russians were behind the WikiLeaks hacks and it follows that Putin wants Trump as our next President. In addition, Trump has praised Putin as a great leader.

    The Republican FBI director is not looking into the Trump Foundation. The FBI should. Trump has profited from his foundation. The Clintons have not. The Clintons have profited from speaking engagements paid for by Clinton Foundation donors, as if Comey resents the Clintons making money from speeches. Pay for play has not been proven once.

    "We need Trump to save America." That is some statement.

    In front of over 70 million Americans he questioned a 240-year old American democratic tradition, the peaceful transition of power.
     
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    Conservative Fox News, a strong supporter of Trump (Trump and Pence have appeared on Fox dozens of times providing free advertising), stated today that Trump can win all the states leaning Republican, all the toss-up states, and he will still lose the election.
     
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    Fiction? What part of my OP is fiction? Or do you just make a habit of thoughtless characterizing and virtually no reality to support your position, whatever that might be.
     
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    Sounds about right. Clearly, Comey wants Trump as President. He was a former registered Republican and he contributed to McCain and Romney's campaign. First, the partisan letter to Congress on Friday, then the disclosure of a 16-year old dead case involving Bill Clinton on Tuesday.

    Comey's actions are rather blatant. Perhaps there will be some sympathy towards Hillary.
     
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    You know nothing about the 650.000 emails. Nobody does. "The FBI already knew there's overwhelming criminal evidence against team Hillary contained in the nearly three quarters of a million emails." That is pure conjecture on your part. A lot of that going on with Trump fans. We know no more about all this than we did last Thursday, the day before Comey's partisan letter.

    All we do know is that Comey is piling it on. There is the disclosure of a 16-year old case and more hype from the FBI on investigations into the Clinton Foundation, although nothing has been discovered there either. Just publicity from the FBI to aid Trump.
     
  10. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Sounds like you presume Comey is an idiot and has no clue why he told Congress game is back on due to more important details. They don't reopen just in case. They do it upon something tipping them off.

    There is nothing quite so fanatical as a Democrat party enabler.

    I know. I spent my first 20 years as a rabid loyal supporter of any Democrat. If a dog ran to be president of the Democrats, I was a supporter of that dog.

    What the heck made me vote for John Kennedy? I knew nothing of the man. I simply knew he was a Democrat and I was then a party loyalist. Had I known JFK was not loyal to his own wife, how could I vote for him? So why vote for LBJ? Had I realized what a racist he was, I don't believe then I would have voted for him.

    I believed in Carter until he let all of us down as our president.

    That ended my string of solid Democrats for office.

    Nope, now that I understand their philosophy, forget them.
     
  11. Sandy Shanks

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    Every single one of my statements are correct, proven easily with a little bit of research on your part. I've already done the research, ergo, my statements. I do not lie.

    You don't score points by being ignorant. If you are unaware of the validity of my statements, then it is time you educate yourself on Trump. You seem to be singularly oblivious to what Trump has said and done.

    I am not forgiving Bill Clinton for anything. I would point out, though, he is not running for President.

    Gore never questioned the results of the election and he certainly didn't question the vote before the election. When the conservative court handed the election to the Republican, Gore congratulated Bush once the result was known.
     
  12. Robert

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    Don't worry, if you saw ISIS as a benefit, you would fawn all over Obama and Hillary to hand them the credit. Had ISIS ended this alleged power vacuum and the country was way better off, your praise of Obama would be heard coast to coast.

    It seems more prudent to you to keep blaming Bush. No matter what is done by Obama or Hillary, find a way to blame Bush.

    Bush's invasion did not create some power vacuum. There was plenty of power and the voters of Iraq proved there was. The power shifted from a dictator to the public is how the Iraqis saw it and proudly displayed their purple fingers.

    We keep acting as if we formed the opposition, such as AQ or ISIS.

    All Obama did is practice malfeasance of office. But even I do not say he created ISIS for the same reasons you need to stop blaming Bush for them.
     
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    All but one of the recounts were due to Albert Gore.

    Why you deny he challenged the election is not yet known. I suspect you started backing Democrats long before he ran for office since you go that far back to defend Gore.

    If Hillary is elected, she won't refuse the rapist Bill Clinton access to the white house.
     
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    Comey definitely is not an idiot. He timed his disclosures perfectly. If done after the elections, they would be useless to him. If done 30 or 60 days ago, they would be equally useless because the public would forget just as they have forgotten all of Trump's miscues. Hillary's numbers are staying the same. The election is getting close because Trump's numbers are rising. Thus proving my point.

    Carter changed me as well. For a quarter of a century I voted a straight Republican ticket. I'm siding with responsible Republicans this time and rejecting Trump because he is an idiot and dangerous.
     
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    Your statements and mine are not mutually exclusive. We are both right. Gore challenged the count. He did not challenge the result.and he didn't challenge anything before the election. Trump did.
     
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    I do not get why it was so easy (Obama claims) to stop him yet those responsible republicans can't do what they want and expect Trump to agree.

    I seldom find any politician who are able to get their promises into action.

    Trump will fit the congress more like a glove than will Hillary.

    She is wrong for this country.

    Do I believe Trump can all by himself increase spending?

    No, I certainly do not believe the republicans will stand still for that.

    I am not clear why Democrats are not rushing us all with hair on fire due to the massive build up in spending of Obama.

    He is close to ten trillion dollars deeper in debt. We hear Democrats say this does not matter. unless of course done by Trump. Suddenly then it matters.

    I believe today Obama has at his disposal roughly double what Bush had at his. Still we sink deeper into debt. Democrats plans do not work at all.
     
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    The count was challenged as the result.

    I believe Trump is the honest person who realizes what the media of this country is up to.

    Even Democrats allege FOX is dishonest. But they really do a variety of straight news plus a lot of talk shows. Talk shows can of course inform. To try to balance it out, they present both sides. When both sides are heard, it is dumb to call Fox dishonest.

    I get a steady diet of PBS daily and they are really working hard to elect Clinton.

    It is not remotely close that they treat Trump with respect since they do not. They claim to be balanced but there is no doubt that David Brooks (supposedly on the republican side) and Mark Shields are cut of the same cloth. Both argue against Trump. In fact, PBS has yet to present a person I recall who argued in favor of Trump. They intend to use the media to mold public opinion in favor of Hillary.

    Trump would be crazy not to see this as rigged.

    In a way he is wrong. The Media has long worshipped Democrats and long been anti republicans.

    We always fight the media. This is normal for us to have to fight them. They are corporations so we do indeed fight corporations.
     
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    That's taking a lot for granted, assuming there aren't any irregularities on election day. I believe the majority of humans have a basic sense of fairness that is hardwired into their psychology.(My belief is supported actual studies.) Wikileaks has let the genie out of the bottle, so I think this statement rings hollow to a majority.
     
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    So if you can't prove a single one of your points then I will do the same as you with a generalization. I disagree with your facts and conclusions, and the lies you are repeating. So I guess we can leave it at that, unless you want to back up your lies.
     
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    If this is correct and true then not good for the sleuth agency for it is now politicized.
    They should do their job regardless of who's in the helm and just follow their mandate.
     
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    What may not be working out is Obama wanting to announce Mosul retaken and ISIS defeated. He has been working on this last minute surprise for over 6 months. Maybe that will be the Monday announcement - Obama has defeated ISIS? But looks like not so.
     
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    No, the left is firmly behind Hillary. Including that dirty rotten scoundrel, Lynch. She tried to pressure the FBI into suppressing the latest evidence until after the election. Did you hear just today, Lynch also all but forced the FBI to not seek information on an informant who claimed to conduct highly illegal activity for the Clinton Foundation? What a corrupt world.

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    No, I thought I was perfectly clear on where I stand on your long winded diatribe.

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    Funny. You talk about conjecture then lay claim to the FBI aiding Trump. The FBI already knew the contents of the emails because they were accessed under another investigation. Try to keep up with the news, k?
     
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    Obama won't be defeating ISIS and Mosul won't be captured by Monday. We are looking at weeks, possibly months.

    More generally speaking, no American President will ever be able to defeat Islamic terrorism. It has been around since the time of Mohammad, and the Mideast has been a region of violence ever since. The only people who can defeat Islamic terrorism are Muslims, and they won't do it until we stop interfering in the Mideast.
     
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    You should really watch and listen to that speech that MSM said trump called illegal Mexicans rapists and so on. I watched it. He was talking about who was coming over the border. Rapists? Yes, and it is documented. Criminals? Yes and that too is documented. He added that there are some good people coming across too, which MSM and others just ignored, so they could lie, yes lie, and spin his words to say that all Mexicans are rapists and criminals. And this is what chaffs my old arse about Hillary supporters and the dishonest MSM. A total lack of honesty and integrity.
     
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    Good, we can agree on something. We need to stop interfering in the middle east. We need to stop perpetual war for perpetual peace. We need to be a friend to all nations, and stay out of their internal affairs, for we will only makes things worse, and be involved in the murders of untold numbers of people.

    But Hillary is a neocon hawk. She demanded Gadafi be taken out. She threw back her head and cackled over him being murdered. She is a sociopath, a corrupt politician, and a criminal, as you will see.

    Do like me and vote for Stein.
     

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