Question for the religious

Discussion in 'Religion & Philosophy' started by Arjay51, Nov 26, 2016.

  1. vman12

    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Mocking religion is a dogma of it's own.
     
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    Religion becomes a part of the self image, the ego. And if we believe in one religion, then our belief is right, true, and others are wrong. So it is a human nature thing, a reflex exhibited by the ego. With the atheists, they try to use science to make them think they are right and others are wrong. So their beliefs to them are the only right beliefs.

    Many on both sides try to convince others that they know the truth, and some of the others do not, unless they agree with them. So, this is just what human nature creates.

    I once saw a t shirt with long script on it...it read...." Those people who think they know everything, really (*)(*)(*)(*) off those of us who do" Ha ha

    It is human nature to be rational. It is human nature to be emotional. Some think we spend 80 percent of our time being rational, and 20 percent being driven by emotions. But after observing humans for over 70 years, as a hobby, I think we are rational 20 and emotion driven irrational 80. The modern liberal may be 1 and 99. But it probably varies from 1 to 5 on the rational. A conservative estimate.
     
  3. yguy

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    Yes.

    Even if it were, that wouldn't make it not an attack.

    Get real, I haven't said anything untrue and you bloody well know it.

    I dare you to keep such sleaze coming, and see where it gets you. :)
     
  4. Arjay51

    Arjay51 Well-Known Member

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    I believe that no religious tenant is correct, as there is no god. As stated. Therefore, you are attacking me.

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    Show me where in fact I have mocked religion. I just don't believe in their dogma.
     
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    Oxymoron Well-Known Member

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    I said most Atheists, not all.... So what is your reason to be an Atheist?
     
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    Arjay51 Well-Known Member

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    Agreed. However, to me it certainly seems that the religious (regardless of what religion that is) are always trying to gain power over others. Having no religion they have a difficult time with me.
     
  7. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I truly wish I could invest my time and arguments to change your mind.

    But that is not my job. I don't rule out that at some point, you will meet up with what you currently believe is oblivion and learn what others learned, there is really GOD. You may end up with a near death experience. Many Atheists have in fact and report back that yes, there really is GOD and they saw a heaven or were taken to learn about it.

    But it can't be my job to solve this for non believers.
     
  8. Arjay51

    Arjay51 Well-Known Member

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    It figures, a religion driven person such as yourself can never see their own faults. They always insist that they speak only the truth in spite of having no proof of their statement.

    BTW, denial of knowledge is an attack and and insult to any who have knowledge. From your reaction I doubt that you have any.
     
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    If that is true, so is the following: if theism were a "sure thing" there would not be atheism.
     
  10. Arjay51

    Arjay51 Well-Known Member

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    For your information, I have had a near death experience in a war and found no god waiting.

    It may well be you who, in your last moment of brain activity, has the shock in seeing that you are wrong. Or perhaps not, but I would not count on it.
     
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    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Choosing to believe in a higher power, or to not believe in a higher power, are both beliefs regardless.
     
  12. Arjay51

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    Witnessing the lack of a god on the battlefield.

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    The difference is that atheism is a specific belief that there is no god. That is all there is to it.
     
  13. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I have no desire nor compunction to get you on board. It could and probably would be that your so hardened to this, you would rebuke all arguments.

    Maybe I can get you to asking your own questions.

    Per the laws of physics, can nothing create something?
    I hope you believe the universe was created.

    If the universe was created, what created it?

    We know there is life forms.

    Is it possible to take matter, such as earth, use wind, fire, electric current, etc, and create life?

    Can you think of experiments where science created plants or animals or fish or reptiles?

    Even an accident by scientists?

    I dunno ... I will stick with GOD.
     
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    You're welcome to your belief. I don't see what is attractive about atheism though.
     
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    It is not for everyone. Personally, I don't see what is attractive about theism.
     
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    Atheism is not a "belief". It is a lack of belief in a god....
     
  17. Robert

    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    We will find out in time. In
     
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    It has little to do with being attractive. Holding theistic beliefs has more to do with childhood indoctrination, peer pressure and wishful thinking.
     
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    No, the belief that there is no god is a belief, no matter how much you disagree.
     
  20. The Wyrd of Gawd

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    Which of the many thousands of religions do you absolutely refuse to believe in?
     
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    Well, if you want to approach it from a purely logical standpoint I'll explain.

    If you're a theist, and you die, and you're wrong you lose nothing and have everything to gain.

    If you're an atheist, and you die, and you're wrong you have everything to lose and nothing to gain.
     
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    All religions believe in a higher power, that's something they all share in common throughout history.

    Maybe it's just the method of worship that is misunderstood.

    Personally, I don't think God cares if you eat a wafer, get dunked in a pool, or anything else.

    I think it simply boils down to how you live your life, and what is in your heart and mind.
     
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    Well maybe I can and maybe I can't; but fortunately, I haven't manifested any faults in this exchange.

    If you think proof is a requirement for speaking the truth, you misunderstand either the former or the latter or both.

    Which might be interesting had you demonstrated any pertinent knowledge in any of your replies to yours truly.

    I know God exists. What more do I need?

    Which is about as logically compelling as my "witnessing" the "lack" of electrons everywhere I've ever been.
     
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    So since all religions are equal why do people have favorites?
     
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    Pascal's Wager contains fallacious reasoning and is therefore not logical. I'll leave it to you to discover why.

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    You pretend/believe to know. There's a difference.
     

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