Merkel, its Germans who need to integrate

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  1. Triarius

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    Well my German friend... this might come to you as a shocker, but I have to tell you that the Holocaust didn't happen and I'll tell you exactly how they did it:

    Auschwitz was 'liberated' by the Soviets on 27 January 1945, however, they waited for four months till after Germany was conquered, the National Socialist government was not in power anymore, all government officials were detained and the complete country under full lockdown and censorship. Then suddenly stories of mass atrocities started to appear...

    Now the question is; why didn't the Soviets report the mass-extermination much sooner, like for example in Februari or March?

    Answer: If they would have reported it sooner, the National Socialist government would have flatout denied it and have let the Red Cross and other neutral inspectors check out the camp(s).

    The strange thing is; there is no forensic evidence of the Holocaust, neither is there 1 piece of paper which proves of a plan for mass-extermination.
    It is all based on make-belief in order to guilt-ridden the Germans into submission.
     
  2. Caligula

    Caligula Well-Known Member

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    Jesus Christ, the BS won't end. Are you getting paid for this?

    The first to publish the video of the subway attack was newspaper Bild. Shortly after that, the police in Berlin published the video and asked for witnesses. There was no hiding, no cover up, no trying to find whoever leaked the video. Is there a technical term for people who lie as much as you do?
    One of the perpetrators was already arrested today, strange huh? So, apparently, police did investigate the attack.

    Where exactly has the German government used newly recruted police officers to cover up crimes?
    1. recruting new police personal is in the hands of the federal states in Germany, not the government in Berlin.
    2. hiring new recruits and training them takes between two and three years. You seem to think the government in Berlin hired a few people and sent them out on the streets a week later. What you claim here is simply not possible. Are you really that dumb?
    Btw, my ex-girlfriend is a cop, I have good sources.

    Where exactly is the government rounding up people who complain about crimes committed by migrants?
    The tragic and horrible case in Freiburg was reported and people can openly discuss this online, no problem.
    Another case in Hamm was openly discussed.

    Freedom of speech. Your argument is a very obvious Nazi - apologetic argument. "Germany (and other countries) doesn't allow Holocaust denial, therefore there is no freedom of speech."
    If you don't like Holocaust deniers being fined, don't go to Germany and deny the Holocaust.
    Since you are a Holocaust denier, you are quite unhappy. Why? You say you don't live in Germany. What's the problem?

    It's no problem to criticize Islam and Merkel's policy, not online, not in real life.
    Jörg Baberowski,
    Henryk M. Broder,
    Hamed Abdel-Samad,
    Ralph Giordano,
    are just a few names (professors, authors, historians, politcal scientists) who openly criticize Merkel for her policy.
    What one shouldn't do is posting "All refugees should be sent to Auschwitz, the gas is waiting" on Facebook. This will get one into trouble with the law. This has happened in the past and is the very point that makes cave dwellers scream "no freedom of speech".
    One also shoudn't openly deny the Holocaust, of course, so, I feel sorry for you personally.

    890,000 migrants came last year. The number of new arrivals has dropped dramatically since Jan 2016 (almost tweleve months ago).
    There are no "millions." You know the difference between 890,000 and millions? Obviously not.


    Anything else I can help you with, except that denial thing, of course? You'll have to live with that in your little universe.
     
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  3. Brewskier

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    The only silver lining, based on voting statistics, she probably supported Germany's refugee program. I wonder if she still does?
     
  4. Mandelus

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    I do not have to waste my time with the refutation of every single insinuation of the Holocaust deniers. It would be a Sisyphus work to try to address arguments whose advocates falsify findings, cite them out of the context, and reject a crushing number of testimonies simply because they oppose their theses. It is important to react to the glare of their modes of argumentation, not to the arguments themselves. It is more important than anything else to destroy the illusion of a rational research methodology behind which their extremist views are concealed.

    Fact:
    The first main camp Monowitz was liberated on the morning of January 27, 1945 by the Soviet troops of 322nd Infantry Division of the 60th Army of the First Ukrainian Front under the Supreme Command of General-Colonel (5 star general rank, 1 below rank Field Marshal) Pavel Alexeyevich Kurochkin. Of the prisoners who were left behind - the data ranged from 600 to 850 people - died of debilitation in the following days despite medical assistance.
    The second main camp and Auschwitz-Birkenau were also liberated - also by the soldiers of the 322nd Division - in the early afternoon of January 27. In Birkenau, almost 5,800 exhausted and sick prisoners, including nearly 4,000 women, had remained unaffected. In the disinfected barracks field lodges were set up to supply prisoners suffering from malnutrition and infections and traumatized prisoners.

    The first eye witness reports follow in USSR newspaper Prawda on February 05, 1945 … 1 week after liberation! And then in following more and more! This is the fact …

    No forensic evidence? Well … you really ignore the bunch documents of Wansee Conference and all the plannings of SS Hauptmant, the depending “Fuehrerbefehl” of Hitler and the order of Goering to Heydirch and all the bunch of documentations or blame them as fakes?

    The alleged "reasoning" of denying Holocause consists of claims that are in contradiction with the facts and logic and also ignoring all evidences for Holocaust as most as possible … and if not possible, the blame them as fakes. It is primarily aimed at an audience that is willing to believe what has been said, because it fits into an already established worldview. In the case of the others, doubts are to be aroused, in the hope of ultimately winning them for the propagated ideology of the rehabilitation of national socialism.

    The oldest "source" to which the revisionists have appealed to this day is allegedly the International Red Cross. After the Second World War it was officially established that there were no more than 300,000 victims of racial, religious and political persecution by the National Socialist regime. This has always been maintained since 1950, in magazines and newspapers and now in internet, which are then suddenly quoted as a "source" to back this claim. However, "official figures" of the Red Cross have never existed about, according to all archives of international red cross and this is the fact. So a claim and lie was born and is un-mortal alive and rated for the Holocaust deniers suddenly as evidence!

    The general problem is that the Holocaust deniers are same sort of people like these Truthers who claim that 9/11 was a conspiracy etc. If they want to believe their nonsense, then they do and nothing can convince them … even not things which are facts like 1+1=2, then they deny or ignore! And so I’m back in the beginning of my OP!

    P.S.
    Bad for you is that a part of my forefathers were imprisoned in KZ too. Not in gas chamber camps, but in Bergen-Belsen! Why? Because they were social democrats and against Hitler and my grandfather fought against Nazi as French Foreign Legionair in North Africa and Italy against his people lead by Nazis!
     
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    Ya she does. She needs to be nicer to them so they won't hate her, for not being them.
     
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    Very well written :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

    it is really ridiculous with which fake news and BS such people are handling and then sell it as real truth.

    Sometimes it is here really like a meeting place for racists and Nazi scum when you read threads ... and so people like Merkel and in general what is in their low brains liberal or lefty are bashed with a (*)(*)(*)(*) storm of lies and claims like here. I could really puke about the stupidity of the righty idiots here often, because what they write is so sick that it must normally hurt their own brains if there is one of course, but often more likely that in their head is a vacuum.
     
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    I've been watching DW-English version for few days. No wonder Germans on this forum post idiocies. Have a look at DW English Channel and other media outlets. Germans are subjected to total brainwashing completely detached from the reality. Their main enemy according to the German media is Trump. And of course, Russians.
     
  8. TheGreatSatan

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    There assimilation is near complete. 10 years from now, Germany will just be another global socialist Islamic police state. You could go there then and not realize Germans ever lived there. All traces of German culture will be erased and replaced.
     
  9. Caligula

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    I watched a video with the late Tony Benn some months ago, I know exactly what England and Britain are like.
    As a thinking person, you should be more intellgent than that.
    Since you seem to know what the reality in Germany is, why don't you enlighten me a bit? I'd definitely appreciate it.
    So, for some reasons only known to you, you think DW English is a perfect representatuion of what the news in Germany are like?
    http://www.dw.com/en/top-stories/germany/s-1432
    https://www.youtube.com/user/deutschewelleenglish

    And now you think you know everything about the media landscape in Germany? You have seen a tiny bit, kind sir, and think, "That's it, I know how it works, they're all brainwashed." Maybe you need to learn how to use common sense.


    The real idiocy is this.
    It doesn't matter that I live here.
    It doesn't matter that I watch the news (and see what I'm told and what not, like in any other country).
    It doesn't matter that I follow the political debates here. I'm sure you're familiar with Herfried Münkler, Jörg Barbarowski, Henryk M. Broder, Harald Welzer, Hamed Abdel-Samad, or Arnulf Baring. Are you? Of course you are.
    It doesn't matter that I read stuff that's not covered by the mainstream (like in any other country).
    It doesn't matter that I have access to pretty much every source that you, or any other person in the western world has access to.
    It doesn't matter that most of you self-proclaimed experts have never been to the place in question and have only very limited first hand experience, or none at all.
    All that doesn't matter. You know better than I do? I don't know if there's a rational explanation for this superficial stupidity.

    I've pointed out that in the first clip of this thread, Merkel doesn't say what the OP (banned for some reason, interesting, huh?) claimed she said - that's idiocy?
    I've pointed out that what the OP claimed about the attack in the Berlin subway and how police handled the case was wrong - that's idiocy?

    Just because what I, or other German users, say doesn't fit with your view and obviously contradicts the stuff you've read, your only explanation is that people in Germany must be brainwashed?
    What much better sources do you have? Share them with me, please. And maybe prove to me that what I said is idiocy and detached from reality.
    But, please, don't refer to one or two DW-English videos. That would be very thin.

    Share your sources and I'll gladly look into them.
     
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    I predict Germany will get it's name changed in 10 years-ish. At least before global warming melts the ice caps. Soon you will never know Germans lived there.
     
  11. Caligula

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    I strongly assume you have never been to Germany. Maybe you should reply to me when you actually know at least a tiny bit about the subject.
    "...assimilation is near complete ... go there and not realize Germans ever lived there"
    Ths is so stupid that I'll just refrain from commenting.
    You are, however, free to believe what ever you want.
     
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    The Jihadist invading Germany will destroy everything that's not Islam. They will do it slowly, bit by bit. Keep your head in the sand and direct your anger on Russia and Trump.

    https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/9154/germans-leaving-germany
     
  13. Caligula

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    I was counting the seconds until someone would use breitbart, gatestoneinstitute or Fox as sources.
    So, because they tell you, it must be true and you know better than I do, right? You have more than one brain cell - use them.
    I'm familiar with that article and will come back to this later, ok? I know, it'll probably be hopeless, though, because no matter what I'll say, you won't believe it anyway.
    Btw, nowhere did I direct my anger at Russia or Trump. If I did, quote me, please.
     
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    Trump and Russia are your enemies, not the Jihadist invading your country. Soon you'll be a foreigner in your own land. I'll sit and watch.
     
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    No, stupidtiy is my enemy.
    Ok, please try to act like an adult for a moment and forget your bumper sticker wisdom.
    Serious question on my part - are you interested in my response on that gatestone article you've posted or not?
    I would read it once more, check all the sources they use (in German), juxtapose them and give you my analysis.
    That would take a bit time, and I want to make sure I'm not wasting it.
    Let me know if you're interested (my reply will probably be a bit longer then and, keep in mind, English is not my first language).
     
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    I've been hearing that the Jihadist you are importing are scaring Germans out of Germany. Maybe it's utopia over there... but i doubt it. The artificial was just the first one that came up so don't bother. Just because you don't like the messenger, don't mean the message ain't true. I think the vid op says it all.

    [video=youtube;-VJyKRwQHHM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VJyKRwQHHM&feature=youtu.be[/video]

    This is only going to get worse. Those "refugees"/Jihadist are never going back. They aim to kill or convert you. Naturally, some Germans choose to run.
     
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    Coming to the US, brought to you by our version of merkel -The left.
     
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    Sorry, for a brief moment I thought I was talking to a normal person that I could take seriously, I didn't realize I was talking to a sheep.
    My apologies.
     
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    She says SOME people need a course of integration. (The same one that immigrants get). That course is apparently about respect the police, fire department, medics. Because she has noticed that some people don't have that. And that such a thing concerns us all. And people need to go back to having a culture of debate that is worthy of it's name. As in probably meant: no cussing.

    And indeed. Internet in Germany doesn't have a 100% free speech, like in every country. No ISIS-sympathizer can demand such and so politician needs to be killed. Same thing goes for the nazi's and everybody else.

    She goes on that she employed 1000's and 1000's of people extra for all their security.


    Dunno where you think this is going across some line.
     
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    The only people who do the active converting are them bloody Jehova witnesses who ring your doorbell on your early sunday morning and ask you if you ever heard about a man called Jesus. That entire thing about they aim to kill or convert you, as in... them lot are all like ISIS, is of course utterly insane.
     
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    Valiant try Triarius. But I'm afraid there is only the walking dead on this thread at present.

    In case a live German stumbles into this thread and they want to know the truth
    of the WWI and WWII era they should buy a copy of this book. Look ! Oh my,
    4 Germans have read it and have given it 5 stars --- read and live again --

    https://www.amazon.de/Myth-German-V...d=1481687363&sr=8-1&keywords=benton+bradberry



    And for those living in Merica --

    https://www.amazon.com/Myth-German-...87850&sr=8-1&keywords=myth+of+german+villainy

    .
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    The vids speak for themselves. :bored:
     
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    I think she will go down in defeat next year. The tide seems to be turning in Europe also. Watch out for Marine Le Pen in France too. Her poll numbers keep improving.
     

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