David Friedman to be US ambassador to Israel

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  1. Mr. Swedish Guy

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    http://www.cnbc.com/2016/12/16/donald-trumps-pick-for-envoy-to-israel-expects-embassy-in-jerusalem.html

    There's no way of saying this without sounding like a nazi.. but friedman is a jew, and because it's Israel, that is problematic. everyone knows that jews are quite a lot more likely to sympathise with israel. but the point of ambassadors is that they're supposed to be representatives of YOUR country, and work only in YOUR insterest. This isn't only a problem with jews and israel of course.. It'd be the same to appoint an arab as an ambassador to an arab country... Ideally, your ambassador should be completely indifferent and neutral to the country in question, neither hate it or love it, so that there is no doubt they are only pursuing the national interest, and not the foreign country's interest.

    David friedman is CLEARLY not neutral or indifferent to Israel, this guy has an obviously emotional attachment to israel. He's an orthodox jew with links to far right israeli parties for christ sake!.. I couldn't think of any worse person to have as ambassador. He is almost guaranteed to run the errands of right wing israelis, not of the USA.

    I can't be the only one who is bothered by this? Sure, jews could be good advisors to stuff about israel, since they're likely to know more, but they shouldn't be the actual representatives! The actual guy should be a neutral person, who deals with Israel as an american, not as a jew.
     
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    Trump did vow to move the Embassy to Jerusalem. Friedman would be responsible with setting up a US Consulate in Jerusalem to try and accomplish the goal.


    Trump knows both Clinton and Bush failed to keep their word once they got into Office. So he will be all over keeping his word.
     
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    There you have it, Jews apparently can't represent their country's interests unless their country is Israel.

    The anti-Semitic drivel we see all too frequently in this section of the forum is pathetic.
     
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    What? Jew can't serve as an ambassador in Israel and Arab as an ambassador in an Arab country? They are really the only ones who can do the job, because one of the most important skills for an ambassador to have is to know the language of the country he serves in. And there not so many non-jewish people who know hebrew fluently. Or non-arabs who know arabic.
     
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    *sigh*.. how is it antisemitic?.. i told you it has nothing to do with jews per se.. The knee-jerk reactions we see all to often on this forum.. that's what's pathetic. People who either don't read the OP's, or who don't have the sense to understand them.. so annoying.

    use your common sense: of course most jews will have some kind of attachment to israel.
    as I've said, they could be good advisors. the most important thing about ambassadors is that they're representatives, which means it is important that they are only representing your country, and not some other country. in that regard, having close ties to the country in question only makes them less fit. christ sake, friedman has ties to far right parties in israel.. of course he's not going to be neutral.. It would be like appointing a communist as ambassador to the USSR..
     
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    Soviet communists were sworn enemies of the United States. Israeli right is mostly pro-American. So I don't see any problems here. And I do enjoy the pain this appointment inflicts on the American leftist media.
     
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    It definitely beats picking some Hollywood celeb to be an Ambassador.
     
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    israeli right is pro-israel first and foremost, hence why it's idiotic to appoint someone with ties to them as ambassador.
     
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    Everything will be alright, don't worry. Israel is a small country and it can't hurt such a giant as America even if it wants to and even if it manages to recruit an American ambassador as a spy or anything else.
     
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    I see the argument I just personally disagree with it.

    Are they too close to the inside that they are actually a part of the other side? Or is it their extreme grasp of the knowledge OF the other side that makes them able to do their job that much better. I feel like a lot of Trumps appointees have been this way and as a business owner it makes sense.

    You want to hire the most experienced person on your side as possible, I think you are basically seeing them as Jews first and Americans second. I see it the other way around which makes it a positive instead of a negative.
     
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    Its not about hurting, its about that the ambassador might run israeli errands rater than us ones
    Experience and investment are two different thing. You want the former, not the latter.

    Its not about what i see friedman as.. its what he sees himself as, ans how he sees israel. Having ties with israeli parties... he has a relation to israel that is unfitting for ambassadors
     
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    Oh, I thought this was about the voluntarist, economist, son of Milton Friedman, David Friedman, but it turns out to be a very ugly statist who is also named David Friedman.

    I'm so disappointed, I have to type this and click
     
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    Yeah, I get that, I just disagree. I think his interests will be to the country first, time will obviously be able to tell which of us is right. I am going to give them the benefit of the doubt, so far it already feels very different especially as the establishment squirms.
     
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    There are two sides to it. One is that an ambassador should know the language and culture of the country he is being appointed to, and the other is that if a country is part of your heritage, then the affinity you feel towards it is bound to influence your judgement.

    But so what, does it really matter? How much influence can one ambassador have in the US government. More important is for Trump to do what he said about stopping foreign lobbies, since they're the ones that have the most influence over our policies... especially the ones from the Arab countries.

    One thing comes to mind. When Robert Parry was investigating the shoot down of the airliner in Ukraine, he found out that big sums of money was being thrown around Washington to keep the accusations on Vladimir Putin. After delving into it, he found out it was Burisma Holdings ...the firm that Biden's son now works for.
     
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    What's really pathetic is that the deluded white man still thinks Jews are their bestest friends ever.

    When are you people going to wake up?
     
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    What is really pathetic is your post and yourself.
     
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    How so?
     
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    Because your post is racist, xenophobic and most of all simply stupid. And so are you.
     
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    All I see is ad-hom. Come back when you have something that goes beyond "that's racist!"
     
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    So when you say that Jews can't be friends for a people of white race that is not a racism in your opinion?
     
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    I think that your concerns are extremely well founded and are in NO WAY ANTI SEMITIC!

    Yes it is extremely tiresome and even repulsive to have America's small but vocal gang of parasitic "Israel Firsters" vilify any loyal American or genuinely pro American individual as an "anti Semite" for putting America's interests over those of the world's most heavily subsidized Ethnic Cleanser and absolute greatest threat to America.:

    “An 82-page analysis concludes that Israel is currently the greatest threat to US national interests”
    http://fromthetrenchesworldreport.c...eatest-threat-to-us-national-interests/22135/

    EXCERPT “ It’s a paper entitled “Preparing For A Post Israel Middle East”, an 82-page analysis that concludes that the American national interest is fundamentally at odds with that of Zionist Israel.

    The authors conclude that Israel is currently the greatest threat to US national interests because its nature and actions prevent normal US relations with Arab and Muslim countries and, to a growing degree, the wider international community.

    The study was commissioned by the US Intelligence Community comprising 16 American intelligence agencies with an annual budget in excess of $ 70 billion.”CONTINUED


    Rarely do 16 American intelligence agencies agree on anything but when they do, loyal Americans had better pay attention.


    Yes, that's right, Israel is currently America's greatest threat[1], [2], [3] and & most insatiable parasite.

    In spite of popular American opposition to diverting a constant flow of U.S. $ Billions to the Zionist Regime that rejects any form of peace with their ruthlessly Occupied Native Palestinian residents your hard earned tax dollars continue to hemorrhage to America's greatest threat .

    Briefly put, Americans want their own tax dollars spent at home:

    “81% of Americans Oppose $38 Billion Pledge to Israel”
    http://original.antiwar.com/smith-grant/2016/09/19/81-americans-oppose-38-billion-pledge-israel/
    EXCERPT “A solid majority of Americans would redirect $38 billion the Obama Administration pledged to Israel toward other priorities.

    An IRmep poll fielded by Google Consumer Surveys reveals 80.8 percent of the US adult Internet user population says they would redirect the proposed spending toward other priorities.
    - Caring for veterans (20.7 percent) was their top priority, followed by
    - education spending (20.1 percent) and
    - paying down the national debt (19.3 percent).
    - Rebuilding US infrastructure was favored by 14.9 percent, while
    - funding a Middle East peace plan received 5.8 percent of support.
    - Only 16.8 percent said the $38 billion of pledged foreign aid should be spent on Israel.”
    CONTINUED

    The last thing America needs is another "Israel Firster" in U.S. Government to help smooth the way for more Zionist spies to plunder our coffers, technology & military secrets only to sell them to the highest bidder [2]

    There's nothing "anti Semitic" about attempting to protect your country against its most insidious enemy & the traitorous Hasbara propagandists who serve it.

    Thanks "Mr. Swedish Guy" for initiating this compelling issue.



    [1] “Israel Flagged as Top Spy Threat to U.S. in New Snowden/NSA Document”
    http://www.newsweek.com/israel-flagged-top-spy-threat-us-new-snowdennsa-document-262991
    EXCERPT “Israel was singled out in 2007 as a top espionage threat against the U.S. government, including its intelligence services, in a newly published National Security Agency (NSA) document "CONTINUED


    [2] “Report: Israel Passes U.S. Military
    Technology to China”
    http://defensetech.org/2013/12/24/report-israel-passes-u-s-military-technology-to-china/


    [3] “Israel Listed Among Greatest Threats To U.S.(*)Intelligence”
    http://brittius.com/2013/08/30/israel-listed-among-greatest-threats-to-u-s-intelligence/
    EXCERPT “A document has surfaced from the intelligence budget that confirms what many have said for years:

    Israel continues to spy on the United States despite massive levels of U.S. aid and support. Israel is listed as one of the key targets for counterintelligence effort with China, Russian, Iran, and Cuba.

    Even as Israel continues to pressure the United States for the release of American Jonathan Pollard, an Israeli spy convicted in 1987, the report indicates that Israel is continuing to target the United States with espionage. CONTINUED”
     
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    Oh, they can be friends.

    It's simply that these "friends" are in control of the major financial and media institutions of the West, thereby peddling and institutionalizing their own narratives and customs (many of which are blatantly anti-Western and Christian) on Western societies.

    Meanwhile the average white guy thinks Muslims want to forcefully convert the West en mass. :roll:
     
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    You are sick.
     
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    Dude, I am sure you did not mean it this (anti-Semitic) way but the Jewish "dual loyalty" is one of the oldest and most popular anti-Semitic canards in certain circles ;). You should have a better sense than to resort to this nonsense.

    It's also worth noting that the current Obama-nominated ambassador to Israel is also a Jew and the last 2 Israeli ambassadors to the US are Americans by birth.

    Why all of a sudden did it start bothering you now?
     
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    well... Do you, honestly, not think that David friedman has a dual loyalty? seems like he does.. but i told you, nothing to do with jews per se. it's ridiculous that one can't talk of jews without everyone getting super sensitive about everything.

    I didn't know anything about the obama ambassador, but I read about friedman in the news. can't be bothered by what i don't know
     

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