Our lame duck president decides to cause problems for Israel

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  1. SillyAmerican

    SillyAmerican Well-Known Member

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    In an interview of Michael Oren, Deputy Minister for Diplomacy in Israel states the following about the U.N. resolution:

    So will the incoming Trump administration impose significant costs on those why try to make use of this resolution? And if the U.N. continues to ignore the many problems in the middle east in favor of bashing our staunchest mideast ally, has the organization outlived its usefulness?
     
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    Don't know where to begin so I'll start here:

    American foreign policy is an issue period. That said, I'm a bit alarmed that people seem to place a higher value on Israel than America. Israel is basically a satellite country serving Western interests, so as I understand the relationship, they should naturally serve American interests not the other way around. In effect, I'm concerned at the victim-like arguments favoring Israel (at the expense of those who allowed Israel to exist in the first place--the "West").

    More to say, but I'll stop here for now.
     
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    If the Israelis don't want half a million of their people labeled as criminals, maybe they should stop those people from stealing other people's land.
     
  4. SillyAmerican

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    Yes, but are you saying that this land dispute is the most important issue for the U.N. to be focused on? To the exclusion of everything else? What about the over 400000 people butchered in Syria? What about the tens of thousands of people killed in the civil wars in the area? What about the ISIS atrocities? What about the problems caused by Hamas and Hezbollah? The U.N. has nothing to say about any of these? But in a land dispute, it wants to take sides? In that case come January 20th, the United States should leave the U.N. to its own demise, move the American embassy to Jerusalem, and make it abundantly clear that the U.S. stands with Israel.
     
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    I am in favor of the US moving toward a more honest broker position when it comes to the Middle East. Obama, however, had 8 years to do this. He instead seems to be trying to stir the pot out of petty spite at the 11th hour to make things more difficult for Trump with no regard for how this could affect others, like the families whose kids will be killed or wounded in the (*)(*)(*)(*) storm he is trying to leave behind for the next administration.
     
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    The wisest course of action would be for the US to move the UN building to Palestine.
    Let Hamas show them real hospitality.
     
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    Because the UN has never passed resolutions on any of those other issues?

    Seriously, a "land dispute"? When Germany invaded Poland, was that just a "land dispute" too?
     
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    Seems as if every time an institution or organization decides or does something certain people do not agree with the voices of nagativeity as despair want to do away with that entity. Should we do away with Supreme Court just because they sometimes rule against our favorite law? Shoukd Congress be disbanded if they pass a law not to our liking. Should the presideancy be done away with if we do not like the guy who gets elected.
     
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    Lame (*)(*)(*)(*) more like it.
     
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    Here is the deal with Israel and the Palestinians. Remember that us Europeans invaded the Americas and kicked the Natives out into reservations especially in North America. We killed one or two also I hear.

    Now think about this. There comes about a very powerful country or alien invasion force and says to us Americans that we must let the Natives run North America and we have to move into a few slivers of land on parts of the coasts. The reason for that is that the Natives were here before us and just like the Palestinians we encroached on their land. The Natives decide that since this powerful ally from somewhere is their friend that they would start to build settlements on the little slivers of land that us "Americans" were given to live on. The Natives keep building and and building and pushing us further and further to the sea. The country or alien force in charge of the world tells us that if we do not like it that we can "go back to where we came from". Or maybe some country such as Germany orcSaudi Arabia or Egypt will take us in.

    Sound fair guys?
     
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    Well, a question for you: should we continue to put up a good chunk of change in support of an organization whose major focus is to work against the only democracy in the middle east? The offices you ask about are within our control; each of them can be addressed at the voting booth. But the U.N.? If it's not going to act with fairness, if it's simply going to attack us and our allies, we don't need it.
     
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    They are the only democracy in the Middle East the same way Apartheid South Africa was the only democracy in Southern Africa in the 1980's.

    BTW, you do know Iraq is a democratic state and has been for more than a decade, right?
     
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    There's no such thing as, "Stealing land".

    There's taking, and giving, but to say you can steal land in an evolutionary place such as this planet is absurd.

    The weak will fall, the strong will rise. It's a cycle that's been on repeat since the first bacteria began reproducing here
     
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    Looking forward to President Trump to help Israel knock the lights out of the terrorists. Hamas has got to stop firing missiles from schools and hospitals.
     
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    Obama tried for 8 years to get the peace process going but neither side wants peace. Israel wants to continue to encroached upon Palestinian lands and The Palestinians want to destroy Israel. They are both wrong and not cooperative.

    Trump has already signaled by who he wants as the Ambassador to Israel that he is squarely on the side of the Israelis. Trump appointing that guy as Ambassador to Israel is the same as if Trump a
    Pointed me the Ambassador to Russia. It us no secret that I am totally against Russia taking Ukrainian territory in the Crimea and in the Easrern Ukraine. I also do not believe that Russia should exist as a country. I also believe that Russia just as the Palestinian cabal is an evil country and the human race would be much better served if Russia just vaporized.

    I woukd make a real fair Ambassador wouldn't I?

    Sound familiar?
     
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    Those damned Colonials should have stopped shooting from the trees and stood up on the open field and gotten slaughtered by the British Army's artillery!
     
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    And look what we have now :)
     
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    Yeah, it's almost as if unconventional warfare is the only option when there is an overwhelming disparity in conventional power.
     
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    Gotta do what you gotta do. Israel's gotta smoke some terrorists. Got my full support.

    Give em hell boys
     
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    yeah, cause republicans and their two 10+ year wars were not stiring the pot in the middle east
     
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    Just like the Germans did when those terrorists in Warsaw rose up, right?
     
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    Do I really have to quote you how many Democrats in Congress gave the President their full support for both wars?

    I'm reporting you for trolling if you make up this crap again. It's everyone's wars.
     
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    So, if your neighbor goes into your house, drags your family out at gunpoint and declares it's their second house, and that they will kill you if you every set foot in it again, no one should help you. Got it.

    That is what Israel does. They send soldiers into people houses and drag them out at gunpoint and let Israeli settlers move in.
     
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    Yes, it's exactly the same thing. Cause those dam polish were shooting rockets for decades at the Germans. Firing from schools and playgrounds.

    Ya dude!
     
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    Those rockets have killed less Israelis in the last 50 years than the Israelis did in a single month of airstrikes.

    Would you sit by and let foreign invaders violently run you out of your land or would you resist?
     

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