Our lame duck president decides to cause problems for Israel

1- Would Israel starve without outside help?

2- Diplomacy has failed miserably to secure Israeli-Muslim peace for the past 60-odd years so perhaps it's time something new was tried?..

 

They attacked the Egyptians first.....even History noted that. How did you miss it.

 

Why is it that a Democrat and Real Liberal can figure it out.....yet, the illiberals just can't?

Harvard Law professor Alan Dershowitz slammed President Obama for "stabbing Israel in the back" on Monday morning's edition of 'Fox & Friends.'


"[History will see President Obama] as one of the worst foreign policy presidents ever," Dershowitz said.


"He called me into the Oval Office before the inauguration -- he said he wanted my support, and he told me he would always have Israel's back," Dershowitz said. "I didn't realize what he meant: That he would have Israel's back so he could stab them in the back."


He continued: "What he did was so nasty, he pulled a bait and switch. He told the American public this is all about the settlements deep in the West Bank. And yet, he allowed he representative to the U.N. to abstain --which is really a vote for-- a resolution that says the Jews can't pray at the Western Wall, Jews can't live in the Jewish Quarter [of Jerusalem] where they have lived for thousands of years. And he's going to say, 'Whoops! I didn't mean that!' Well read the resolution! You're a lawyer, you went to Harvard Law School."


He also said: "This will make peace much more difficult to achieve because the Palestinians will now say 'we can get a state through the UN'.".....snip~

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vid...ents_ever.html

 

1. Between the boycotts and withdrawal of any support, I'd reckon they'd be left without an upper hand in that region. It be a toss up and one not favorable to them imho.

2. Diplomacy is far better than a handful of unbacked Israelites going against a great deal of determined Jihadi though. The bottom line is that they can't go it alone. They are already a military, welfare state; a tense nation that without help from the West would collapse.

 

The UN plan for Palestine calls for complete freedom of worship in all Jerusalem for all peoples.

Dershowitz is a lying, whining little (*)(*)(*)(*)(*).

 

You know its bad for the Peep when Bloombergs Editorial board is slamming him.


Obama's Betrayal of Israel at the UN Must Not Stand.....


President Barack Obama’s ill-advised decision to order the U.S. to abstain on a United Nations resolution condemning Israeli settlements breaks with past U.S. policy, undermines a vital ally and sets back the cause of Middle East peace. Yet it also offers Democrats and Republicans a chance to unite around a more realistic approach to resolving one of the world’s most intractable conflicts.

The resolution, passed last week, says Israeli settlements built on land occupied since the 1967 war have “no legal validity.” It thus brands the one-tenth of Israel’s Jews who live in East Jerusalem and the West Bank as residential outlaws, and could thereby strengthen the effort to sanction or boycott Israel, or even sue it in international bodies.

Previous U.S. administrations have vetoed such resolutions for just that reason, and for undermining the course of negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians. As Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer correctly noted in condemning the administration’s decision, the “fervently anti-Israel” UN is “the wrong forum” for Israel and the Palestinians to settle their differences.

By abandoning past U.S. practice, Obama is encouraging the Palestinians in their belief that they can leverage the UN in their effort to achieve statehood. If anything, his decision is a failure of diplomacy and is likely to backfire.

If the Palestinians want a lasting peace based on a two-state solution, they must accept that Israel, not the UN or the “international community,” is their negotiating partner. That means negotiating in good faith, not embracing empty resolutions that ignore agreements they have already reached to redraw Israel’s borders. It also means ending the “stabbing intifada,” condemning and fighting terrorism, and upholding their security obligations. Netanyahu, in turn, must be willing to uproot settlements that even Israeli law deems illegal, to trade land for peace, as Israel has done in the past, and to meet its security and economic obligations to Palestinians if they meet theirs......snip~

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/arti...s-betrayal-of-israel-at-the-un-must-not-stand


Another fact that the Anti Israelis forget so conveniently.

 

The UN doesn't get to decide.....even BO peep admitted that it has to be a negotiation between the Palestinians and Israelis.

Yeah the illiberals don't like when real liberals show them up. That's why Kirsten Powers the Clinton Democrat, calls them the unhinged.

 

the international community does get to decide, through the UN.

Israel can of course ignore this, but they then risk facing sanctions.

 

No they didn't. The Israelis rightfully took those things from the aggressors who attacked them with the intent of committing genocide against the Jewish people. Right by conquest.

 

No the International community doesn't decide that's why the Peep said.....resolutions from the UN wont solve the problem. That the negotiations have to be between the Palestinians and Israelis. Those who are involved.

 

So then you admit that your claim that Jordan attacked them in 1967 is totally false, yes?

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No such right exists under the UN Charter to which Israel is a signatory. The acquisition of land via conquest is specifically illegal under it.

 

Diplomacy fails with Israel because they have too little to lose by failing to reach a compromise. This needs to change, as in they need to face real pressure. Their western handouts and other favors need to be used as leverage..

 

I could really give a (*)(*)(*)(*) what any stupid law the pissant UN says. They won it fair and square after they were attacked. Deal with it.

 

Well, the name, and the people.

Hamas and Hezbollah, just the kinds of friends people are looking for.

Yup. The historical record is tough to contradict.

Yeah. Let's see how many things our lame duck President can screw up in the last three weeks of his administration?

Yup. Again, part of the historical record.

Thanks for summarizing the history.

The palestinians have been offered a two-state solution on multiple occasions.

Israel is not the bad guy. If anything, the Israelis have acted with unbelievable restraint.

Professor Dershowitz is spot on. President Obama should be ashamed of himself.

 

Obama is acting like a little kid that didnt get his way. Im gonna take my ball and go home!!!!!!

 

Didn't Israel offer exactly that in the 90's when bill clinton was president and Arafat and the Palestinians rejected it? If I recall correctly, didn't the Israel PM at the time basically cave in to EVERYTHING the Palestinians were demanding at the time in order to achieve peace and the Palestinians rejected it and walked away from the negotiations?

The Palestinians don't WANT a two state solution. They want Israel wiped off the map. The Israelis have learned their lessons well. They're not idiots like some Americans are -- they actually kept the territory won when they were attacked, and they figured out that nothing but their ceasing to exist will please the Palestinians. So yeah, they really don't care what they want anymore, and I don't blame them.

 

Exactly right.

The Palestinians have been offered a state no less than three times. The first time in November 1947, the second in the summer of 2000, and third in 2008. Yet Israel is continually portrayed as the problem. Sorry, but trying to reach a compromise with people who wish to see you wiped off the map? That's simply unacceptable.

 

No.....go back and read the link to the 67 War.



MO: It’s, okay, I’ll try to do it as quickly as possible. In 1947, the UN declared that Palestine, as it was then known, would be partitioned into two states – an Arab state and an Jewish state. Notice, not a Palestinian state, but an Arab state. The Palestinians didn’t quite exist, yet, and at least not on the international radar. And the Arabs went to war to destroy the Jewish state when it was created on May 14, 1948. And the city of Jerusalem was divided. The eastern part of the city was occupied by the Jordanians, the West Bank was occupied by the Jordanians. In June, 1967, the Jordanians attacked Israel again. Israel repulsed the attack, reunited Jerusalem under Israeli rule, and captured the West Bank, or as we call it, Judea and Samaria. It is not occupied by international law, because the West Bank and East Jerusalem was never part of a recognized sovereign country. Nobody in the world, except for Britain and Pakistan, recognized the Jordanian annexation of the West Bank and East Jerusalem. So the entire international law claim is spurious. But when Israel reunited the city and reunited the city, the Western Wall is in the eastern part of the city. The old city is in the eastern part of the city. We certainly can’t consider our homeland for 3,000 years to be occupied territory. You know, tell a member of the Sioux Nation that his tribal lands are occupied and he can’t live on them. That’s what the UN is telling us. They’re telling us more than that, that by living in them, we’re criminals......snip~

 

BO the Peep and Kerry.


Kerry Defends UN Vote, Says Netanyahu's Government Is Driven By Right Wing Extremists......


Secretary of State John Kerry did his best to explain America’s decision to abstain from the UN resolution vote to condemn Israel from its settlements in the West Bank and East Jerusalem. Critic after critic slammed the White House’s inaction, calling it a slap in the face to our friend in the Middle East.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s current coalition is the “most right wing” in the country’s history, he argued, driven by extreme elements. The policies of this government are leading in the opposite direction, he argued – “They’re leading toward one state.”This government, Kerry continued, has “consolidated West Bank for its own purposes.”

Kerry did note that Israeli settlements are not the primary cause of conflict in the region, but it was clear he believes they are deep obstacles to the two-state solution. He cannot, "in good conscience," defend them.....snip~


http://townhall.com/tipsheet/cortne...state-solution-is-more-than-a-theory-n2264260

 

Yes, a land dispute. The land Israel captured during a war the did not start and that no other country claims.

 

Israeli Hasbarists & Zionist apologists for the the recently imposed Zionist Colony pretend as if it was the Palestinians who invaded the Levant just a few decades ago & not Irgun, the Stern Gang and the Nazi trained & funded Haganah[1] etc.

However, the root of the problem was the invasion of genocidal, FOREIGN Zionist Terrorists who came from far away & currently occupy historic Palestine which Christians Muslims etc already inhabited.

The so-called "States" they have been offered were simply fragments of land on which they had been living generations before the massive influx of FOREIGN Jewish immigrants & FOREIGN mass murdering Zionist Land Thieves.

I agree with your contention that

But, it has been the FOREIGN Zionist Terrorists & fanatic Settlers who are obsessed with Ethnically cleansing historic Palestine of its Native Muslims & Christians:

“Nearly half of Israeli Jews believe in ethnic cleansing, survey finds”
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...nians-wake-up-call-survey-finds-a6919271.html
EXCERPTS “ Almost half of Jewish Israelis believe Arabs should be "expelled or transferred" from Israel, a survey has found."CONTINUED






[1] “Nazis SS Funded Nascent Israeli Army”
http://www.henrymakow.com/israeli_haganah.html

 

Just like Iraq did with Kuwait, right?

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The people are mostly European or Khazar and hve very little genetically in common with Sabra Jews who have actually lived there for centuries.

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Israel bombed Jordan first!

 

It most definitely started the 1967 War that gave it control of the West Bank.

 

Lets see what link you got.....as the Encyclopedias and History links keep showing that Jordan attacked Israel.

 

After Israel annihilated their Air Force.