Can sexuality change over time?

There is nothing at all to suggest that sexual orientation is psychological.

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Straight men or bisexual and gay men who are in prison?

 

Grand assertion. But there have been countless studies on this very subject, & the evidence is there.

If it is not psychological, what is it? It certainly is not physiological, as the gender is clearly defined in the DNA. The only thing left is environmental pressure, upbringing, indoctrination, or other psychological factors. How else can you explain a biological abnormality? It has no future in natural selection, as it would be weeded out from non reproduction. It does not strengthen the family unit, or any offspring. It is either a neutral in anthropology, or a negative, removing child bearing pairs from the herd.

No, the ONLY explanation for homosexuality, or other 'sexual preference' claims is psychological.

 

Produce it.

Unknown.

I'm not talking about transgenderism.

Certainly not with psychology.

Assuming homosexuals don't reproduce, which we know to be untrue.

See above.

The burden of proof is on you.

I'd say the appeal to nature is fallacious.

 

When I was a young stud, about 18 years of age, I worked on a plumbing crew for about six months. Before long I learned that most of the older guys, about five of a crew of ten, had not only served in Vietnam, but had also done time in prison. I have no idea why that was the case but it was. These were all bad dudes - the hardened criminal types. One guy was famous for having had the most ears on his necklace in Vietnam, at some point. [You cut off an ear when you killed another soldier]. Then one day, much to my disbelief, they all started talking about how hard you get off when they [another man] hit your prostate... WTF? I never in a million years would I have believed what I heard, were it not from the horse's mouth. BUT, these guys only turned to homosexual behavior after going to prison.

Dunno, You tell me.

 

You are oversimplifying things.

Goodbye.

 

As far as men in prison, some men will have sex with a park bench, so . . . .

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That's why some women call men dogs, they will hump practically anything that won't put up a fight!

 

They're gay or bisexual. Obviously.

 

I assume female prisons are full of lesbian relationships...

 

I actually read somewhere that lesbians don't have sex very often. I don't know how true that is, but I remember hearing that. Maybe I'll look for a link on that.

 

I don't know why, but I don't think I ever really noticed your sig line before. Lol. Maybe I should have one, "men and dogs, horny animals."

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Well, I found this, but it's really not clear if it is an actual thing or not. Seems controversial.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lesbian_bed_death

 

yes i think as we age we all naturally become asexual from impotence, or i fear i may be speaking for myself.

either way, sexuality can change overtime one way or the other for at least some people.

 

What differentiates the two, in your mind?

 

1) If you remove consent from the equation, and focus purely on the initial urges (which is what matters, in this context), what differentiates beastiality and homosexuality?

2) Can you please indicate exactly why you give gender confusion a pass, but not other variants of this condition? Please keep in mind that research has yet prove anything at all - other than to note body and/or neurochemical 'differences' in some instances. That's akin to a caveman concluding that thunder exists, but without having any understanding of why or how.

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if we're discussing ONLY the essential 'urges', then unfortunately Sec makes very reasonable points.

 

It's not that kind of choice, though. It's at a subconscious level. It's 'learned behaviour'.

 

I suspect our friend is trying to say that if it can be learned, it can be unlearned.

 

I believe they're relying upon the norm in nature ... which is heterosexuality. The weight of the position lies in it's commonality.

 

Lol. Obviously I have nothing against women. I just use it because it sounds funny.

Interesting. Obviously since tne research was conducted in the 1980's, when homosexuality was much more taboo than it is today (wasn't this during the AIDS hysteria too?), informants may have lied or adapted their answers towards the wider, societal consensus.

This was interesting though; "German study concluded that the female sex drive greatly diminishes once a woman is in a secure relationship.[7] Thus, from an evolutionary psychological point of view, lesbian couples are expected to seek sex less frequently than heterosexual or gay male couples,"

I cannot really give a rational explanation.

From an evolutionary point of view, both behaviours are equally damaging to our species (gays and sheep shaggers can't procreate), but I am a big fan of the prenatal, hormonal theory and with that one, homosexuality is explainable whereas beastiality is not.

In that case heterosexuality, homosexuality, bisexuality, necrophilia, paedophilia, beastiality and everything inbetween is entirely and solely enviornmental and additionally it is not really more natural to screw someone of the opposite sex than it is to screw a horse. I say bullcrap on that.

 

That isn't what we are discussing

 

Yes. I am also arguing from the point of view that heterosexuality is what nature intends, but sometimes things go wrong because nature is not always kind - a baby who develops in an unnormal way will turn out to be homosexual.

 

Or hoping

 

It is absolutely foolish to decline biology and claim sexual behaviour is learned. That is just bio-denialist idiocy and was debunked many years ago. It used to be believed that homosexuality was learned and that homosrxuality tnerefore could be unlearnt or cured through "homotnerapy". From my knowledged that kind of quasi-Pawlovian mumbojumbo never worked on anyone.

I am absolutely repulsed only by the thought of touching a man in a sexual way; I was born straight and tnere is nothing that could "teach me to become gay".

 

Well, perhaps if you suffered a traumatic childhood experience, like molestation at the hands of an adult male, you might be a bit confused as to your sexuality. I do think that sometimes environment and experiences may play a role. I'm not denying that some people might be born that way, but that might not be the case for every homosexual.

 

Like other aberrations of human behavior, once engaged in something, it is not easy to disengage. I offer child molesters as an example. Most people treat children with love & nurturning kindness, but some exploit them for personal reasons. And, once they go down that path, it is impossible to turn them away. Child molesters are not just punished & released.. the reoffense rate is too high... they become addicted to molesting children, & they have to be watched, & forbidden from having any contact with children.

I am not comparing homosexuality to child molestation, but showing how an aberration can become dominant in one's psyche, & control them. So, just as you cannot 'cure' a child molester from the desire & pursuit of children, so homosexuality, once begun as a lifestyle, cannot be easily turned from. It is an easy out to claim, 'i was born that way', when it is more clear that it is a learned response, and a sexual addiction, which is just as powerful to the motivations & mindset to people as other addictions.

 

So how is it learned?

 

Engaging in the practice. That should be obvious.