How Many people, at a Minimum, would it take to carry 9/11 Inside job?

He's not here to discuss 9/11, he's here to troll all discussions about 9/11 (i.e. attack all posters who truly want a discussion, often sprinkled with name calling and to promote the official fairy tale). The fact is (and this has been posted many times), there is no physical evidence confirming any of the claimed airliners because there was never any forensic analysis conducted that matches any of the alleged recovered debris' serial numbers with the logs for the any of the 4 planes. That is standard protocol and one of the simplest procedures outlined in the NTSB airplane crash investigation manual. All FOIA requests for such a match were categorically (and illegally) declined. That amounts to a coverup. The purpose of a coverup is always to protect the criminals.

What the actual planes were or weren't is secondary to officially proving the government claims (putting the cart before the horse) or proving they were not what the government says they were. Any legitimate investigation includes a detailed forensic analysis and eyewitness claims among much more.

 

That seems to be the case. They're trying to mislead those viewers who haven't seen the research*. Our job is to keep them from burying the research and neutralize their sophistry.


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http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=456423&p=1066183060#post1066183060

 

so 350 passengers had foreknowledge of what was going to happen? ... methinks you been smokin' the Devil's Lettuce Bobby ...

 

I didn't invent the facts no matter what you want to pretend I believe or don't. An intelligent and genuine person would ask why that and hundreds of other phenomena, many of them incredibly convenient coincidences, took place on 9/11 surrounding the event, but that's just me, not you of course.

Methinks your hobby is a boring waste of time, even for you. But to each his own.

 

So you didn't see AA11 hit the north tower? What did?
So you didn't see U175 hit the south tower? What did?

This should be good

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Has anyone ever actually clicked on a link you've provided?

 

Feel free to quote the "NTSB airplane crash investigation manual" to where it says any such thing.

 

No I didn't, no one did. I wasn't able to identify the planes, no one was able to.

An airplane for each tower, obviously.

No it wasn't good, it was catastrophic.

I would say millions, perhaps tens of millions have read the contents and seen the videos I provided the links to. As one example:

[video=youtube;nQrpLp-X0ws]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQrpLp-X0ws[/video]

The above video has been seen over 2,000,000 times and it's only one of hundreds of videos I've posted.

The below article I've posted the link to has been read over 400,000 times, presumably mostly by professionals, and it's only one of hundreds of articles I've provided the link to:

http://www.europhysicsnews.org/articles/epn/pdf/2016/04/epn2016474p21.pdf

Any more childish questions about me? Note I'll only answer these appropriately as I see fit. I presume you'll never ask any adult questions about the OCT.

 

I already have multiple times. I presume all NTSB airplane crash investigators have also read it while we're on the subject of "has anyone ever clicked on a link I provided". You can rifle through all my posts if you're interested (I presume you're not, just mostly full of it).

 

Sorry the post was combined so I thought you were asking about my links. That's ok though, I made my point. As an aside, I click on Scott's links all the time to see if there's anything I haven't seen/read before, as an answer to your silly question. And I presume millions have seen/read the contents of the Scott's links as well.

 

So you can't post a link to this ficticious "NTSB AIRPLANE CRASH INVESTIGATION MANUAL". Not surprising. Because the actual manual mentions nothing serial numbers:

https://app.ntsb.gov/doclib/manuals/MajorInvestigationsManual.pdf

Strange.

Actually since you're full of crap, not so strange.

 

And that sums up neatly why you folks have gotten nowhere in 15+ years.

 

It's obviously not fictitious if you posted a link to it. That's incredibly silly.

You're absolutely right, that manual doesn't, this one does (in several places), it's the appendix that goes with that manual. Goes to show how much you think you know, it's obviously not very much.

https://www.ntsb.gov/investigations/process/Documents/MajorInvestigationsManualApp.pdf

Just because you have no clue and you're only here to troll doesn't mean I'm full of crap.

 

Ah, you saw the make and model of the two planes that crashed into the twin towers and you forensically examined the debris to physically match the serial numbers (as required by the "fictitious" (as you claim) NTSB crash investigation manual, which of course includes the appendix) I suppose. No one else did delusional one. Sorry the discussion is not about "you folks" or you or me, it's about the alleged 9/11 aircraft. Changing the topic doesn't change the facts. You remind me of the guy who claims he saw Arabs crash planes on TV on 9/11.

 

In my haste, I omitted three conspirators.

The conspiracy was in play at least as early as late 1998.

We know that, from the proceedings of the Port Authority of New York & New Jersey. The Port Authority of New York & New Jersey was privatizing its assets by bidding out the properties it held. One of those properties/assets was the World Trade Center. The World Trade Center was originally scheduled to be bid out or privatized in 2004.

However, in September 1998, the Port Authority of New York & New Jersey voted to bid out the World Trade Center in January 1999. I submit a conspirator suggested or perhaps pressured one or more board members of the Port Authority of New York & New Jersey to vote to move the bid-table up by several years.

That leads us to "Which came first? The chicken or the egg?", regarding the plot to attack the World Trade Center.

One of the conspirators was in contact with a an agent in the Pakistani ISI who was an al-Qaeda sympathizer. It was here that the plot to attack the World Trade Center was either planted in the mind of Mohammed Atta by a rogue US intelligence agent via the Pakistani ISI agent, or it was discovered by the conspirator (through his Pakistani ISI contact).

The next event would be the awarding of the bid for the World Trade Center. Silverstein did not have the winning bid. The winning bid was won by the Vornado Realty Trust in January 2001. Vornado subsequently backed out of the bid. I submit that a conspirator using extortion, black-mail, bribery or other means, perhaps even personal threats to the Vornado Realty Trust team and their families, convinced them to withdraw their bid.

That results in Larry Silverstein being awarded the bid in April 2001.

Another conspirator convinces Michael Maltbie to shut down all FBI investigations into possible terrorists active in the US. That was key to allowing terrorists to enter the US and operate unimpeded.

About the same time, another conspirator, a rogue intelligence agent is recruiting a second group of terrorists so that there would be enough people to attack the targets in Washington, DC.

One of the conspirators used their influence to get the US Consulate at Jedda (SA) to approve the visa applications for a number of the terrorists.

We know that there were FEMA exercises taking place in New York City on the day of the attacks. There were also major military exercises by NORAD and STRATCOM. The evidence shows that at least one of the exercises, Vigilant Guardian was moved from October 23 to September 11. I would suggest that was the work of a conspirator.

Now it begs the question: Was Silverstein part of the conspiracy or merely an unwitting tool?

Someone ordered security measures to be shut-down or withdrawn from the World Trade Center over the weekend prior to the attack. The withdraw of the bomb-sniffing dogs was a key factor enabling both Towers to be wired with shaped-charges to create a controlled demolition of the Towers into their foot-prints.

This is where the 100-odd Israelis from Urban Moving Systems come into play.

I'm inclined to believe that this group of Israelis mainly had connections to Israeli Organized Crime.

No one would question moving vans parked in or around the World Trade Center or the fact that containers were being brought into the World Trade Center.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-q08y6cFsTw

520 pounds of C-4 PBX were used to bring down all 23 stories. We might surmise that 1,500 pounds of C-4 PBX were used in each of the World Trade Center Towers. It wouldn't be necessary to wire every floor for demolition, just up to the 60th Floor is all. And even then, it would only be necessary to wire every other floor.

One conspirator acted post-9-11. That conspirator ensured that federal laws involving aircraft incident investigation were violated. Aircraft are supposed to be reconstructed after an incident. The conspirator guaranteed that evidence from Flight 77 and Flight 93 were destroyed to prevent reconstruction, which would have led to the discovery that Flight 93 was shot down.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6Xoxaf1Al0

That video has Rumsfeld stating that Flight 93 was shot down.

Since the strike on the Pentagon, plus the World Trade Center, was successful at producing the necessary "Shock & Awe" upon the American people, it wasn't necessary to follow-through with the strike on the White House, so Flight 93 was shot down. The pattern of the debris field and the fact that the starboard engine had separated from the aircraft indicates the use of a heat-seeking air-to-air missile, such as an AIM-9 used on the F-16 Falcon.

 

That's a pretty elaborate explanation and whether it's true or not, the theory certainly makes a hell of a lot more sense than the OCT fairy tale (then again UFOs make more sense than the OCT). As to Israeli organized crime, it could just as easily been the Mossad, that's pretty much the same thing anyway (just a suggestion). You also said you believe shaped charges were used, what kind do you suppose?

 

yup ... and still no Pulitzer Prize winning book ... "because the proof is crushing" ... the OCT Fairy Tale ...

now they have decided that the White House hit wasn't needed so they shot it down over a field in Pennsylvania ... yet no airplane remains were found there ...

it's all so confusing ...

 

Donald Rumsfeld agreed to be in the Pentagon even though he knew a plane was about to fly into the building? Now I’ve heard everything.

 

Thanks for that link. I had read parts of that information years ago, but it was good to be refreshed.

Yes, the passengers are the hardest part of the mystery IMO. The authorities were so confused about the passengers list that they forgot to include the hijackers on the list.

Not to worry, the list was edited to comply with the official story.

 

I never said that Rumsfeld was a conspirator. I never implied that Rumsfeld (or Cheney or Bush) were conspirators, either, but thanks for the Straw Man.

 

I'm not familiar with the OCT fairy tale whatever it might be.

I have a theory that agents provocateur put up wild outlandish theories in order to marginalize those who subscribe to more reasonable theories.

The most likely conspiracy is that certain rogue individuals acting without authority or "color of government" coerced the events or had fore-knowledge of the events that took place on 9-11.

I'm not intimately familiar with shaped-charges, so I would hate to venture a guess, but generally standard C-4 PBX is all that is necessary.

None of the FEMA or NIST investigators had access to the Ground Zero (and they so state in their reports). No real investigation was done, but note that they did claim the presence of sulfides.

"Evidence of a severe high temperature corrosion attack on the steel, including oxidation and sulfication with subsequent intragranular melting, was readily visible in the near-surface microstructure. A liquid eutectic mixture containing primarily iron, oxygen, and sulfur formed during this hot corrosion attack on the steel. This sulfur-rich liquid penetrated preferentially down grain boundaries of the steel, severely weakening the beam and making it susceptible to erosion. The eutectic temperature for this mixture strongly suggests that the temperatures in this region of the steel beam approached 1,000 °C (1,800 °F), which is substantially lower than would be expected for melting this steel." - C.2 Sample 1 (From WTC 7)

That is proof of demolition devices.

 

50 or so, about like the JFK conspiracy and coverup.

 

Sure you are, perhaps you're not familiar with the acronym, it stands for Official Conspiracy Theory as published in the 9/11 Commission Report, the NIST reports and official statements about 9/11.

It's probably more fact than theory.

At the highest levels withing the US government. The foreknowledge is fact not theory and it's a slam dunk there was a stand down on 9/11.

9/11 Family Member Patty Casazza: Government Knew Exact Date and Exact Targets

http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/2007/11/911-family-member-patty-casazza.html

I'm not either but thermite cutters are one theory. There was a reason for the many corroborating eyewitness claims of molten steel.

Correct. There never was any legitimate criminal forensic investigation into 9/11. In fact the Bush administration never wanted one and did what it could to corrupt any investigation when they were forced to give in. The following thread details a sample of the official shenanigans:

http://www.politicalforum.com/9-11/458597-nist-9-11-scam-exposed-all-its-glory.html

I don't know if it's proof or not but everything about the destruction of the 3 towers strongly points to controlled demolition.

 

So none of the 3 individuals who launched Iraqi freedom were in on the scheme? Cool.

 

The idea of controlled demolition is silly. Why would you need planes? If you have planes, why would you need controlled demolition?

And, there is the bothersome fact, that nobody working in any of the towers saw any planted explosives, wires, etc…

 

You need the planes to establish the "hijacker boogeyman" paradigm. That allows DHS and TSA to be incorporated. The planes were great spectacle. Keep in mind the goal was terrorizing the gullible and fearful public. Once emotions are inflamed, war can be justified.