In surprise move, Trump warns Israel against settlements

Let's be absolutely crystal clear- the ' settlements ' are illegal.
This has always been the case and the fact was again reinforced by UN Resolution 2334 in December of last year.
The US did not oppose that Resolution.

Any US president who attempts to put Americans on the wrong side of international law should not be allowed to keep the job.

 

Hardly a warning. It is more a punt the question response.

 

Very odd. Moving the US Embassy to Jerusalem was very provocative and nearly guaranteed to cause more terrorism which Trump is sure to respond to. It also seemed without visible cause, a purely symbolic gesture. This is the complete opposite, as if he wants to head off attacks which he himself has caused.

Trump. Is. NERTS.

 

How exactly are Palestinians supposed to get a state, if they refuse to negotiate with Israel at all? Israel is demanded to give up a strategic territory and get indefenciable borders, and palestinian authority which jails its own people for "extending their tongues against government", refuses to garantey Israel such a simple thing as peace.

Next question if Palestinians on the West Bank have a legal right for independence, why did this right appear only after 1967 and not before, when the territory was under Jordanian rule (who by the way invented the law against extending one's tounge)?

 

Let's be absolutely crystal clear- the ' settlements ' are there to stay, and prosper.

 

The Trumpocity is trying to play both ends to some degree. Of course Israel our friend and of course Israel has the absolute right to exist. As is with even our personal friends we as a friend need to let our friend if he is doing something wrong, dumb, or is too drunk to drive.

 

In truth- the Palestinians already have a state. It has been held in trust by the United Nations since the British mandate for Palestine morphed into the Partition Resolution, 181 of 1947. Further, the Palestinian state was irrevocably etched into international law through its recognition by the United Nations in December of 2012. This recognition, which was achieved by a huge majority of 138 votes to a craven 9 against- also recognised Palestine on the pre-1967 borders- that is the line that the Israelis are required to withdraw to following Resolution 242 of 1967 and all subsequent Resolutions pertaining to the issue. The latest was in December of last year- Resolution 2334- which again reinforced the illegality of all ' settlements ' in Palestinian territory. This was by unanimous decision of the Security Council- and not vetoed by the US.
What Palestine has not yet attained is full United nations member state status- but Palestine is still a recognized UN state. Its flag flies alongside everybody else's.

What about Palestine's ' defensible borders ' ? When Israel withdraws- as it is required to do- then each state will have shared borders- each as ' defensible ' as each others.

Everybody has had the right to self-determination since the birth of modern international law. It pre-dates 1967, of course.

 

Tch, tch- mischief again, Dutch. You know that crime can't be allowed to pay. The squats are illegal.

 

Nobody is drunk. This is not an expansion. Most of the new houses will be built inside already existing settlement blocks. And this is not an obstacle to a two states solution, as if Palestinians were normal people they would long time ago have gotten their own state and allow Jewish minority to live in it and to build.

 

Here is what I think - I'm not looking to proselytize here.

For me, good relations with Russia are incompatible with good relations with Israel, caused by the fact that Russia backs "enemies of Israel" like Iran, Syria, Hisbollah.

So when Trump was courting Russia, he prepared a lot of meat to throw the zionist lobby. And now that Russia definitely doesn't look that friendly, he cuts on the Israeli side as well, since there is no need to pet their insecurities anymore - well, not as urgently.

 

The ' existing settlement blocks ' are illegal. They are an obstacle to the Palestinian state in themselves.
However, the Palestinians have stated that any illegal settlers who wish to remain after the Israeli withdrawal are welcome to become Palestinian citizens. There's your solution- but hard-line neoZionists are hell-bent on a land-grab. They will reject that sensible and peaceful solution.

 

Here's to another 70 years of "crime can't be allowed to pay"

 

I like Trump more and more.

Can't get clearer than that.

I agree. There has to be more to this story than what we know so far.

What's there to negotiate? Israel's occupation is illegal. Do criminals get to negotiate? "Well, your honour, I know that I murdered the guy's whole family but can I be let off the hook if I buy him a dog?"

 

No moon - Palestinians are the "obstacle to the Palestinian state".

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Nothing to negotiate? Well then, build more houses for your people, Israel

 

Please Dutch- this home-spun philosophy of yours is just thinly-disguised war-drumming. Step up into the new century.

 

Meyer Linsky would agree.

 

No, they don't. Just because somebody said so is not enouph. They don't have their own state even in Gaza which Israel has left. State it's when there is no need for foreign aid to avoid starvation and no need of foreign enforcement to keep peace. Right now Gaza is a strange entity controled by the people who call themselves warriors of Islam, but in reality are usual mafia.

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You are talking as if there were no wars initiated by the Arab countries in which they didn't kill all of the Jews just because they failed.

Really? Remind me exactly where is Kurdish state?

 

My G*d moon - here we are, discussing various Arabic and Islamic issues and you're telling me, non-Muslim to step into the new century?

 

Trump told Bibi that he had embarrassed him.

 

You're absolutely mistaken. When a judge says ' Guilty as charged '- you're guilty- just because he said so- after taking everything into account.
The UN has voted to recognize the Palestinian state. There won't be any ' Greater Israel'- if that's what you were hoping for.

This is just opinion- with which I disagree. Firstly, Gaza and the West Bank both form the Palestinian state. When Israel withdraws the state will be viable and contiguous.

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Only the Yom Kippur War of 1973 was not initiated by the Zionists.

As far as I'm aware the Kurds are pressing for UN recognition.

 

Only the Yom Kippur war was initiated by the Arabs.

 

Egos aside, Trump is trying very limpwristedly to play both sides. "Art of the Deal" doesn't work in high stake politics.

 

Why kow-tow to Israel anyway ? Why not side with international law and make people proud of American justice ? Not only that -but most of the Middle East's anti-Americanism would dissipate overnight. Are we afraid of a replacement Zionist terrorism or what ?
Israel would still be intact- protected by all the world's states and be re-legitimized instead of the pariah. The ONLY casualty would be the insane and illegal neoZionist agenda of expansion and dominance.

 

If that is your advice to the Israelis then I think you can guess what my message to the Palestinians might be ......... in response to yours.

 

Indeed. Come to your senses Palestinians, deport each and every UNRWA official from Gaza, Judea and Samaria and negotiate directly with Israel without any preconditions?

Am I correct?