Trump is tearing our country apart

The Obama list was a short-lived response to a real specific threat. Trump's unconstitutional ban is specific only in the groups of people it excludes.

 

There is definitely more to it than that.

 

And we need more Muslims in this country for exactly what reason?

 

How dare anyone have a differing opinion to Hillary Clinton!! Pffft. You're dividing us by not obeying us. How DARE you. Get back in line and shut up or we'll destroy your business, reputation and name and prevent you from speaking or having an opinion.


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Responding to an attack is one thing. That's reacting. Strategic geniuses actually are 2 steps ahead. Should we be reacting every time we're attacked after the damage is done or being smart and trying to prevent the attack from happening first? There's a thing called being proactive.

Seems like a sound strategy. Someone tries to hide a bomb in a shoe so now we check shoes. What are the odds of trying it again? Predicting the next attack is the key. It's plausible our intel thinks an attack will come from these particular nations, not Trump just deciding on his own....even though Obama already chose those nations😜. Details details.


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how is it unconstitutional?

 

An idiotic question, if there ever was one!

Democrats should call the GOP bluff and propose a universal Federally issued voter ID.

Then sit back and watch the GOP squirm. (knowing that whatever spin line they offer will be coming out of your mouth as soon as you read it!)

 

As if you ever made a statement that you could back with any kind of evidence in the first place.

Any moron can troll.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFjwDzkqn5s&feature=player_embedded


http://therightscoop.com/ed-schultz-deceptively-edits-video-to-accuse-perry-of-racism/

 

Um. News alert. We don't want Muslim refugees here. At all. We would much prefer Mexican illegals ANY DAY OF THE WEEK.

 

I am thinking it might just be that those wanting the Muslims do not like their own neighbors and probably the neighbor does not like them. They expect to be liked by Muslims. Lord only knows why that could be.

 

I bluntly hate to argue / debate with liars.

An incorrect comment we all can live with and deal with.

Let me give you all a for instance.

Supposedly nothing done by Obama tore the country apart.

Name a thing done by Trump and out come the remarks it tears the country apart.

This is organized.

Get that loud and clear.

Democrats and sympathizers are well aware of this so they come forth with trumpets blaring and whips a cracking to explain how bad Trump is.

Trump was inaugurated like 2 weeks back.

The world has not ended.

Trump is not in war.

Trump has screwed over some of the Democrats executive orders. For what it is worth, those were bad executive orders by Obama going down the toilet. This is what angers Democrats. They felt their god child gave forever orders. To be obeyed as law from then till hades freezes over. How dare Trump change rules made by Obama.

Now they want Trump impeached. He had less than perfect talks with the pm of australia. Why that right there is cause to impeach. They are sickening me with their whining.

 

The constitution vests all immigration discretion to the executive branch... so wtf are you talking about?

Furthermore:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1182

Couldn't be clearer. This judge is a (*)(*)(*)(*)ing moron who is single handedly endangering our republic while actors clammor to get into the country in this window.

 

I think I have told you. We lock horns enough. I'm not a lefty, and I don't speak for lefties. Heck, I don't even like them. I am a moderate conservative independent.

The right urges Americans to support the President. That is difficult when the President thinks we are a nation of killers.

 

Here is some more undeniable truth.

Trump's fascination with Putin is perplexing and he draws the ire of both Republicans and Democrats. His admiration of Putin is at odds with his SecState Tillerson, SecDef Mattis, and his secretary of DHS, Kelly. Trump is also causing a great deal of concern among many Americans.

Throughout the election campaign Trump praised the Russian leader while chastising the American President in the same sentence. In December 2015, shortly after Putin called Trump a "bright and talented" and the "absolute leader of the presidential race," Trump returned the compliments, hailing Putin as a "leader" and pointing to his high favorability numbers in Russia. "He's running his country and at least he's a leader, unlike what we have in this country," Trump said. Inexplicably, he continued to run down his own country. "I think our country does plenty of killing also, Joe, so you know. There's a lot of stupidity going on in the world right now, a lot of killing, a lot of stupidity," he said.

In continued that pattern as President. In an interview with Fox News's Bill O'Reilly, which aired ahead of the Super Bowl on Sunday, Trump doubled down on his “respect” for Putin — even in the face of accusations that Putin and his associates have murdered journalists and dissidents in Russia while continuing aggression in Ukraine after annexing Crimea. In addition, U.S. and Russian foreign policy are at odds in Syria and Russia is an ally of Iran.

In the face of Russian hostility to American goals, Trump had this to say about Putin. “I do respect him. Well, I respect a lot of people, but that doesn’t mean I’ll get along with them.” In other words, as he does so often, Trump wants it both ways. He continues to lavish praise on Putin then says he really doesn't mean it.

And once again, Trump insulted his own country by comparing Russian aggression, killing, and murder to American foreign policy. Noting that as an ally to Syria's President Assad Russia has a role in the killing of 500,000 Syrians, he said, “There are a lot of killers. We have a lot of killers. Well, you think our country is so innocent?” What an unconscionable statement to make. He is the President of the United States, for crying out loud.

He then goes on about what might be dubbed imaginary American foreign policy because it is based solely on Trump's imagination and wishful thinking. In that same interview with O'Reilly, Trump offered this gem of U.S. foreign policy, "IFRussia helps us in the fight against ISIS, which is a major fight, and Islamic terrorism all around the world, major fight. That’s a good thing,” Of course, that would be a good thing. It would also be a good thing IF Russia would return Crimea to its rightful owner. It would also be a good thing IF Russia rebuilt Aleppo, Syria's largest city which Putin helped destroy. It would also be a good thing IF Iran would stop firing off those darn missiles, become America's ally, and help destroy ISIS. Those are all wonderful things we would like to see happen, but that does not mean they will.

Making the point more clear, there is virtually nothing in Russia's past that suggests she will become our ally other than Putin's gratuitous words to Trump. The very opposite is true. This suggests our President is gullible enough to think that Putin's kind words are heartfelt.

Moreover, ISIS is a Western problem. Meaning, when striking outside the Middle East, ISIS only attacks Western cities, not Russian cities. Russia has a terrorist problem of its own in the Caucasus region, namely Chechnya and surrounding provinces. In Trump's fantasy world IF Putin is going to going to help the U.S. with ISIS, it follows that Trump will help Putin with Chechnya. Or not. More than likely Putin is silently cheering on ISIS.

Why does Trump make such foolish statements? Once again, his advisors and Republican colleagues are scrambling to re-interpret what Trump really meant. Once again they provide the excuse that he is not a politician. It is a worn-out excuse that assumes only politicians know how to talk. Once again serious questions are being asked about Trump's sagacity.

Does he make outrageous statements, engage in Twitter diplomacy, simply to draw attention to himself? That would square with his narcissistic persona, but it is regretful practice for the President of the United States.

 

You absolutely refuse to deal with Trump's actions and words. Instead you consistently blame the left, when it is Trump's actions that have caused unprecedented protests around the world and two federal court decisions that voided his executive orders. Don't blame that on a liberal judge. Robart is a conservative judge appointed by Bush. All that is not the left's fault.

This isn't the left's fault, either. Trump recently tweeted, "Just cannot believe a judge would put our country in such peril. IF something happens blame him and court system. People pouring in. Bad!" It would appear Trump's entire foreign policy is based on "ifs."

Trump is suffering from paranoia. "People pouring in." I almost feel sorry for the man, almost. He seems to be overcome by properly vetted green card holders and refugees comprised of starving, homeless, innocent men, women, and children. He wishes to punish thousands upon thousands of people for what they might do. These people are a part of a humanitarian crisis and they have never done us any harm. There has never been a terrorist attack by a refugee in the U.S.

Other than his own ghosts, who is Trump protecting us from?

 

Breaking News! Obama is no longer our President. Trump is our President now, and it is his actions and words that concern us.

For example, in his interview with Bill O'Reilly, Trump still insisted foolishly that only 109 people were affected by the travel ban despite a mountain of evidence that says otherwise. Incredulously, this is what he said. "I think it was very smooth. We had 109 people out of hundreds of thousands of travelers and all we did was vet those people very, very carefully."

O'Reilly pointed out that many of his people were uninformed causing a great deal of confusion, which was true. However, Trump apparently didn't know that. He changed the subject, a common tactic with Trump and his supporters. Trump replied, "Well, that's not what General (John) Kelly said. General Kelly — who's now Secretary Kelly — he said he totally knew, he was aware of it, and it was very smooth. It was 109 people," Trump repeated.

As everyone but Presidents named Trump knows that clearly was not the case. The story is more complicated and far-reaching than the frantic 24-hour travel period after the order’s release. The official estimate of the number of revoked visas alone is 60,000 — or almost 520 times the amount of people Trump claimed — and does not account for any refugees that were temporarily banned from resettlement. In addition, over 500,000 green card holders were initially affected by Trump's ban. They are now allowed into the country.

It sometimes appears as though Trump lives in an alternate universe. Some of his comments are simply surreal, and he does not seem to be well-informed. Indeed, Joe Six-pack and Mary Wonderful seem to be more informed that he is.

Fortunately, his executive orders were stayed by a conservative federal judge, and a federal appeals court upheld the decision.

 

It's not an idiotic question and you still didn't answer it..

It's a real simple question.

Again, why are liberals against voter ID laws

and cleaning the voter rolls?

It's plain to the world you are avoiding answering this..

You won't do it because it would expose the truth...

Your side needs to cheat...

We need fair elections....

We need strong voter ID laws and harsh

penalties for anyone caught cheating.

 

A suggestion and only that because I sincerely appreciate your input. Perhaps you shouldn't allow Trump fans to divert the discussion away from Trump. This is what they do because Trump's actions and words are at times indefensible as the case with the OP and other posts in this discussion. Knowing this Trump followers want to change the subject to Obama, Clinton, the left, sour grapes over the election, anybody or any thing other than Trump. Don't fall for it. Get them back on message.

Again, this is only a friendly suggestion. By no means am I telling you what to write.

 

The fact you never noticed how much Obama's narcissism and ego helped divide this country speaks volumes. You're out there. Way out there.

 

Give me an example and I will prove you wrong...

I agree with you on the troll thing...

You prove it with every post you make...

 

You are not the only one who feels that way. Unfortunately, angry people elected an angry candidate, and a foolish one at that. More than once I have questioned his intelligence.

 

Right right right

Now, after two weeks of watching him and realizing the nature of his acts, EOs, bills, words, and tweets, the whole country has seen enough to know that without question he is a problem. His voters are switching and regretting. Foreign dignitaries have spoken. We have seen enough. It is clear.

I don't believe for a moment that the righties on this forum are collectively blind enough, stupid enough, brainwashed enough, to not see. I believe we all know the score.

It is my opinion that those who are continuing to defend him are struggling for one thing at this point: saving face. They regret voting for him and they cannot bring themselves to admit they were wrong. They fear that if they did they would never live it down. The left, they think, would mercilessly vilify them, tease them, belittle them, blame them, and drive them away. I don't believe the left would do that. Well, maybe for just the first few days. But I believe all this arguing over it is a game some are playing because no one is so blind as to not see it yet.

I expect most will remain unable to "man up" and just say they were wrong, and so there will be many denials and attacks on this post and me. That's fine. I know it must be that way. But the rest of us need to know the truth. The game is up.

 

Not only that his executive orders on travel is a popular recruiting tool for ISIS and Al Qaeda. They call it the "blessed Muslim Ban."

Trump's advisors and conservative pundits argue that statement is ludicrous because members of ISIS and Al Qaeda already hate us. That ignores the fact that Trump's ban is a recruiting tool. It attracts young Muslims into their organizations who are not members.

In addition, Trump's Muslim ban insults Muslim nations we need to fight ISIS and AQ. There are times I wonder which side Trump is on.

 

Over a year ago I said this would be "the Election of Regrets".

Today, many who voted for Hillary in the primaries are regretting not voting for Bernie.

Many who didn't vote in the primaries regret not voting for Bernie.

Many who voted for Trump regret not voting for Hillary.

And many who voted for and support Trump are gradually regretting it and turning against Trump.

The Election of Regrets