Trump is tearing our country apart

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Sandy Shanks, Jan 31, 2017.

  1. Whaler17

    Whaler17 Well-Known Member

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    Progressives are tearing our country apart! We should NEVER allow people into our country without knowing who they are, checking to make sure they are not a threat, it is just logical common sense.

    This current brand of progressive, you know the ones spreading love and acceptance through hate and violence, are who is trying to destroy our nation, not sensible policies like the ones being implemented now.

    Cool the hystrionics and think for once. What we are seeing now from the left is pure emotion without a shred of intellectual backing.


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    The last two were. People who voted for Obama because he was black (the only qualification he had) regret it immensely, especially thinking professional blacks who know Obama was worse for them than Bush the second!!!

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    Problem is , it isn't a muslim ban. It is a ban on specific nations' immigrants. Another example of how easily the left can be manipulated and led around by the nose by the media and Democratic Party elitists.


     
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    I may have been a bit premature in post #373. I may have had too much faith in humanity.
     
  3. Sandy Shanks

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    The reason I know your statements are false is that consistently prove you are unable to defend Trump. You never defended him from the criticisms made in the OP. You have not defended him from succeeding posts that are critical of Trump.

    Explain his comment that we are a notion of killers.

    Explain his ludicrous assertion only 109 people were affected by his travel ban.

    Explain his fascination with Russia and why he thinks Russia could be an ally.

    Explain why he is the only one in the Trump administration and the Republican Party that thinks Russia could be our friend.

    That is not the liberal narrative. It is the Trump narrative. It is Trump doing and saying these things.
     
  4. Whaler17

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    Ever posting that would be premature. It is fraudulent.
     
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    GreenBayMatters Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It's no use explaining anything to those on the left. Their bias prevents them from even understanding simple concepts let alone complex ones. Try thinking about reversing 30 years of fundamentally transforming America. Bound to be shock waves.
     
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    It's hard to really get a grasp on Trump. During the primaries and at certain times during the general he would say one thing, change it to the complete opposite the next day and on the third deny saying anything at all. It was his persona, not substance that got him elected. Conservative principles which the GOP has long stood for were cast aside and forgotten, all in favor a a persona that no one really knew what he stood for. The 5th grade schoolyard bully, the three year old tamper thrower via twitter won.

    I never expected it. I had long ago resigned myself to a Clinton presidency, not that I liked the thought of her becoming president at all. My son-in-law who was a staunch Clinton supporter asked me yesterday at my grand daughters birthday party if I had any regrets voting for Johnson now that Trump is president. I answered, no. Given the same two major party candidates today, I would have voted the same as I did last November.

    I think that sums it up. My only regret was the same it was on November 8, that one of the two major party candidates would win. At the time I didn't give a hoot who it was, although I expected Hillary to win. Today, I still don't give a hoot.
     
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    C'mon, lets all be honest. Trump is a nut. Ok he is a rich nut. While I don't like Trump, I put personalities aside and look at his work as prez. When his work as prez is looked at, I think Trump is the best we have had in our history so far. Yes he is unorthodox, but so what, he get things done and what he is doing is working to make America first.

    But the ignorant fascist dems can't handle the truth or Trumps direct approach. The fascist dems prefer politicians that sell America out, lie to them and work to repopulate America with illegal aliens.

    Even so, Trump is far from perfect. Always remember, greatness is always on the edge of failure. So, Trump will have setbacks no doubt. But the sick minded fascist dems will cheer every lose for Trump, all the while wishing Trump was assassinated.

    Well, don't get too agitated fascist dems, if Trump is too far out there the courts or other built-in safeguards wont go for it. No use throwing violent temper tantrums fascist dems...you are protected by the many safeguards built into the USA government.

    If the highest courts wont go for Trumps plans, he got his answer. He has a lot of executive orders to sign, don't worry he will prob eventually move on to the next order to sign!
     
  8. Whaler17

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    Leftists are burning businesses, and cursing and spitting on people, lighting their hair on fire just because the victims think differently than they do, and you claim TRUMP is the problem??????

    Seriously???? That is ignorant.
     
  9. Empress

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    What misinformation? Like when we notice that Obama in knee-jerk fashion takes sides with frenzied racists that cry that a cop on TV is guilty before proven innocent and them lambasts the cops and has his DOJ cronies release a "study" which tries to conflate blacks getting in trouble more with the law equals institutionalized oppression?


    Wow, you're clues. Of course, I've yet to come across a liberal that isn't.

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    It makes perfect sense when you live in an ideological echo chamber and your views fit the exact same canned party line views expressed in left wing newspapers, websites, and TV programs.
     
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    Apparently you agree with the rest of the OP. You never questioned anything in it.

    BTW, this discussion isn't about Obama. In case you haven't noticed he is no longer our President. Trump is and it is his actions and words that concern us now. Get with the program.

    Personal attacks only make you look foolish and they demean your point of view. I suggest you dispense with them and deal with issues.
     
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    Yeah, "Obama isn't president" is the typical excuse I see from lefties who can't explain why they're outraged about Trump but turned a blind eye to Obama for the same things they claim are horrifying about Trump.

    Oh no I allegedly "demeaned." Clutch those pearls.
     
  12. Gatewood

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    I am tired of posting to someone claiming to be a GOPer who posts like a 7/24 MSNBC style Trump-bashing groupie. You are now on ignore.
     
  13. Gatewood

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    What I read is a leftist claiming to be a GOPer. I ceased listening to leftists long ago. In fact you have finally motivated me to do what I have been resisting for a long time out of respect for your military background. But enough is enough. ALL YOU DO is howl about Trump as if you were a foam at the brainpan MSNBC groupie. You are now on ignore.
     
  14. Sandy Shanks

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    " I think Trump is the best we have had in our history so far." Really, you never explained your reasoning behind that statement. Perhaps you could enlighten us. Before you do, here is a brief glimpse into his Presidency that is a bit alarming.

    In an interview with Fox News's Bill O'Reilly, which aired ahead of the Super Bowl on Sunday, Trump doubled down on his “respect” for Putin — even in the face of accusations that Putin and his associates have murdered journalists and dissidents in Russia while continuing aggression in Ukraine after annexing Crimea. In addition, U.S. and Russian foreign policy are at odds in Syria and Russia is an ally of Iran.

    In the face of Russian hostility to American goals, Trump had this to say about Putin. “I do respect him. Well, I respect a lot of people, but that doesn’t mean I’ll get along with them.” In other words, as he does so often, Trump wants it both ways. He continues to lavish praise on Putin then says he really doesn't mean it.

    And once again, Trump insulted his own country by comparing Russian aggression, killing, and murder to American foreign policy. Noting that as an ally to Syria's President Assad Russia has a role in the killing of 500,000 Syrians, he said, “There are a lot of killers. We have a lot of killers. Well, you think our country is so innocent?” What an unconscionable statement to make. He is the President of the United States, for crying out loud.

    He then goes on about what might be dubbed imaginary American foreign policy because it is based solely on Trump's imagination and wishful thinking. In that same interview with O'Reilly, Trump offered this gem of U.S. foreign policy, "IF Russia helps us in the fight against ISIS, which is a major fight, and Islamic terrorism all around the world, major fight. That’s a good thing,” Of course, that would be a good thing. It would also be a good thing IF Russia would return Crimea to its rightful owner. It would also be a good thing IF Russia rebuilt Aleppo, Syria's largest city which Putin helped destroy. It would also be a good thing IF Iran would stop firing off those darn missiles, become America's ally, and help destroy ISIS. Those are all wonderful things we would like to see happen, but that does not mean they will.

    Making the point more clear, there is virtually nothing in Russia's past that suggests she will become our ally other than Putin's gratuitous words to Trump. The very opposite is true. This suggests our President is gullible enough to think that Putin's kind words are heartfelt.

    In that same interview Trump still insisted despite all evidence to the contrary and plain common sense that 109 people were affected by his Muslim travel ban. His executive orders, which have been voided by a conservative federal judge and upheld in appeals court, affected several thousands of people, something everyone knows but Trump.

    "Best President in our history." Hmmm, interesting point of view. I beg to differ.
     
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    Well according to you guys its still all Bush's fault and he left office almost a decade ago
     
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    Your points are all well taken and instead of my normal stick it in your eye response, your
    well thought out post deserves more....

    The truth is his remark about killers to O'Reilly pissed me off too, and this is not
    the first time he's pissed me off...

    I don't know what the deal is with him and Putin but I know what my gut tells me.
    Trump is crazy like a Fox, no matter what you think of his actions you can't
    argue with the results.

    I also know that President Trump has Americas best interest at heart.

    I think Trump see's Putin as a man he can work with and he doesn't want to offend him
    because he thinks the benefits to the American people will far out weigh the negatives.

    There is no doubt in my mind that Trump, right or wrong thinks he can charm Putin
    to our advantage and maybe even make him a better citizen of the world...

    From what we have seen from President Trump thus far, I don't think it is wise
    to ever under estimate what he can do once he puts his mind to it...

    Just curious, were you this concerned with obama and his relationships with
    muslim leaders around the world and in particular iran?
     
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    Excellent points.
     
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    It was Reagan's fault first. Thank god for GW Bush who Obama beat up daily. And the Democrats wonder why Obama is beaten up.
     
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    Reading the OP is like reading a commercial for Hillary Clinton or Sanders.

    So much hate of Trump and long essays that lay out reasons for the hate.

    I was not offended when Trump said what he said about America.

    I recall far worse when Bush was president and I got the idea that Democrats hated this country. Why? They called our guys killers. I think perhaps Trump recalls this.

    I am nearly finished reading D Day to Bastogne by Robert Houston.

    Perish the idea you won't get intimate personal examples of our men getting killed. He mentions at Bastogne one of the men with him peeked up and took a bullet through the head, instantly killing him. And names the guy.

    Trump talks blunt. I at times am thinking, say dude .... try a little peaches and cream. But I am not the president. We all need to recall we are not the person at the top. Trump is there. And if we loved every move he makes, we are crazy perhaps. I did not like a lot of the Obama moves. And those who think Obama walks on water and dwells with God are flat deluded.
     
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    There is much to blame the left with..

    President Trump wants to protect the American people..

    He puts our interest first.. I like this about him..
     
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    I like that post a lot. I am with Gatewood on this.
     
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    Have you got any of that stuff you are smoking for sale?
     
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    Robert Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Oh lord

    1. Trump has not said he admires Putin ... thinking he might have a way to do government deals is not admiration.
    2. The Obama way failed. Time to change and stop hoping.
    3. This will be a long long 4 years if daily we get the whining brigade to show up here.

    Trump has taken no official action with Russia. Maybe we will like what he does or maybe not. But see what happens first.

    As to these people of other lands, welcome to government. I hated a lot of things the Obama admin did to me personally but did I whine daily? I managed to mention some of what he did.
     
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    Your post that make sense are sporadic.

    This ain't one of them..
     
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    Now this is just flat out Bull Chit........
     

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