Homeland Security undercuts Trump's Muslim ban

http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/03/politics/homeland-security-assessment-radicalization/index.html

Department of Homeland Security did an analysis of terror plots in the USA.

They found most plots by Muslim extremists have been done by folks who came to the USA as peaceful people. But they then became radicalized in the USA, due to various reasons.

This destroys Trump's ideaa that if we simply ban folks from certain Muslim nations, we will be safe.

We need to fight radicalization in the USA, if we want to keep the USA safe.

 

That's a dangerous people that can just randomly convert from "peaceful people's" into radical terrorist nutjobs without notice.

We better keep them out of America.

 

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Can we please get rid of the use of "Homeland"? Is sounds so Nazi... like Fatherland.
Why not just "National" in place of "Homeland"?

 

The initiative always had more to do with the sense of security rather than actual security. Same for most measures for security.

 

People like Tim McVeigh? So which grouop are we going to exclude form America:
1. Whites
2. Christians
3. Army Vets
5. Libertarians

 

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I don't think it really makes a difference whether they come here already radicalized or come here and then become radicalized.

Islam was able to take a peace loving hippy like Cat Stevens and turn him into someone who said he would burn Salman Rushdie alive if he could. It was on tape, yet Stevens has denied ever making this statement.

It's a very violent religion.

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We don't have a huge terrorism problem with any of those groups, especially considering their percentage of the population in the country. With Muslims, however, we have a disproportionately high problem with them, especially with being such a small percentage of the population.

Your left-wing approved, PC moral equivalency simply doesn't work.

 

Oh but we did fear a pattern. Don't forget this followed shortly after Waco and Ruby Ridge, and Eric Rudolph was running around blowing things up.

There was very much a fear of radicalized white Americans undertaking acts of terror against decadent or corrupted Western values.

It was probably 9-11 that put a stop to it.

 

Two things.

(1) Do we need to worry about the people coming in from those seven countries? Probably not. But do we need to worry about the children and grandchildren of people coming from those countries? Most definitely.

(2) On September 10th, 2001, you could have made the argument that it would be completely insane to worry about someone taking over an airliner and using it as a guided missile. And you would have been correct. And the very next day, that happened not once, not twice, but FOUR TIMES. So please don't tell me that we have nothing to worry about. We have nothing to worry about until we have something to worry about, at which point it's too late.

I'm inclined to agree. After 9/11, the greatest improvement to security? Putting locks on airplane doors.

 

That fear was groundless, and existed solely on the left, because it helped spread their fearmongering paranoia about white males, who the left wants as the villain behind every story, since they don't have to worry about political correctness with them.

 

That's because unlike Europe, we haven't flooded the country with millions of unvetted people from war-torn, radicalized, fundamentalist countries.

The report is backward looking, while Trump's ban is forward looking, anticipating future threats.... especially as the report admits, these people tend to get radicalized randomly and for no apperent reason yet.

 

Groundless? They actually blew things up and killed people.

 

There's a reason you had to go back decades to try and equate the threat of white male "Christians" (McVeigh wasn't) to what Muslims are doing.

 

We don't?

More Americans have been killed by white Christian right wing terrorists since 911 than by Muslim extremists. FACT

 

Let's see some proof for that.

But even if you were right (and I suspect you are not), what's the population percentage of white Christian right-wingers compared to Muslims?

 

McVeigh wasn't a Christian? Of course he was

 

Even in Europe, though, the terrorism suspects seem to come from the next generation.

The incoming tend to be more the rapey -and - assaulty kind of folk

 

I'm right...by a LARGE margin
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https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/25/...es-perceptions-of-top-terror-threat.html?_r=0

 

Well yes, I think the Bush election stopped it. Following 2001 we had Islamic extremism and wars to keep us busy, so the wannabe murderers had somewhere to go. You'll find them now in Syria.

These people just want a venue and reason to kill

 

You've been deceived by left-wing media. Here, I'll have to use some other left-wing media to straighten you out:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=93140&page=1

http://www.clarkprosecutor.org/html/death/US/mcveigh717.htm

I don't know of too many conservative Christians who call themselves agnostics and claim that science is their religion.

 

Your source is almost 2 years old, and doesn't include the 49 people killed in the gay nightclub in Florida, or the 14 killed in San Bernardino.

It appears that you were not correct at all.

 

I pay good money to live near White males. They tend to make for a good clean safe neighborhoods. There's a reason for that buddy. At some point a person needs to take their head out of the sand.

 

And what's not going to help is discriminating against muslims, berating them, mocking them, burning down their mosques, being violent against them, and all the other things many people are doing in this country. Also, doesn't help on foreign countries to kill their family members, bomb their neighborhoods, destroy their country. Yeah, that's an instant recipe for radicalization.

The best source of radicalization is people who are poor and desperate and people ostracize them instead of lifting them up.

But hate and ignorance is strong amongst conservatives, and they don't use their brains so that won't happen. The reality would make them have to think, too lazy to do that

 

So when Muslims experience US culture, they hate us so much they want to kill us even more.

Great basis to want to import more of them Ron.

 

Well, most terrorism in this country comes from right wing extremist white people, so what do you make of that?

 

No, in fact it doesn't.

The muslim population in this country is less than 1%. what's the population of white christians again?

Others have pointed this bit of fallacy out to you.

Additionally, how does Islamic violence compare to Christian violence on a global scale? Yeah.