Would you have used the atom bomb on Japan in WWII if you were Prez?

It's not hard to prove the USA is evil, MKUltra did that.

They're simply looking in the wrong place.

What's wrong with being the necessary evil?

 

Not my experts....THE experts. No one denies these people were the experts at the time. These are the greatest military minds this country has ever known. And they were in unison against using the bomb in japan. That is a fact you can not deny

 

No they weren't "the greatest military minds this country has ever known." Some were proven to by lunatics wanting to start a true nuclear war with Russia or China in a massive first strike - and were fired for it. They also were who vehemently advocated and carried out massive firebombing raids on both Germany and Japan for the sole purpose of killing as many non-combatant civilians as possible - and some of your "experts" furiously condemned others of your "experts." Nor were they "in unison." No matter how many times you post it to avoid any actual debate or response, it is false. What is notable is that you appear incapable of responding and only spam the same false message repeatedly.

 

He's just being himself or at least who he portrays on the forum anyway. Many of his messages on the forum such as on this thread are that of malcontentment and ranting against the USA as dutiful submission to the radical PC left, but is probably also is still posting messages in a tizzy because his candidate Jeb Bush got totally blown away. Remember his message on the forum of his bet about that? He shouldn't even be here if what he says in his messages was any good. So his messages likely also express that frustration overall too.

 

Who do you think got us to that point in the war? Truman? Lol. No it was these very same military experts who now said the bomb was not needed. I posted the quotes. You can defy the facts if you want...bit you just look foolish

 

That's a good analysis, and not one I've heard before

I think we had 3, no more, and again, we had no idea of how far along the Japanese bomb was. We could have just been showing them it worked.

Maybe true, but then if they had really been thinking straight they wouldn't have started the war in the first place.

 

And I posted quotes too. Your logic overall is flawed. The USA won the war does NOT prove YOUR military experts genius. I have repeatedly shown among them were huge disputes, massive killing of civilians deliberately by bombing, and great efforts to start 2 nuclear wars - with Russia and with China.

It was civilian government, not generals, making the final decisions - or don't you understand that about our system of government? Truman had exactly the same non-military advisers that FDR did - that "got us to that point in the war." The job of everyone in the military, top to bottom, is to carry out the orders of the President - not the other way around as you seem to claim.

It is interesting reading you declaring that the elected Democrats and their appointed civilian staff on the war were all mass murderers and the Republican fire-bomb-them-all-to-hell generals - and nuke the Chinese and Russians too - were genius.

 

By their history and in their perspective, battles were just part of negotiation tactics as had been the long history of war. They believed by exclusively attacking the military base at Pearl Harbor and severely crippling us militarily, they would simply be in a stronger negotiating position. "Unconditional surrender" in return was not something they anticipated, plus they over-estimated how much damage they had caused - which actually was very little. Most battleships sunk were put back into service, no aircraft carriers hit nor was our fuel depots hit. Overall, and surprisingly, at first Japan was far too reserved and timid in battle. Why didn't they invade Hawaii and capture it? While the obvious thing to do, I believe they felt if they limited it to an attack to weaken us militarily an accord could have been negotiated - specifically to lift our embargoes on raw materials and fuel, plus to butt out of China. We had our piece of China we took militarily as did the British plus the French had Asian holdings too, so Japan figured they were entitled to their share too of China and Asia by military force too.

They also were hit early on by major bad luck in naval battles plus figured they were as immune from us as we were from them due to the great ocean distances. But also, like us, Japan was in a 2 front war with nearly half their entire army in China.

 

You have no clue how the military operates. If you think our civilian government planned, researched and created military missions you have demonstrated why you do not get it. Our generals and admirals created the plans that won that war. They could do that because they were military geniuses. How you can not see something so basic is just sad

 

You have no actual responses other than repeating your false claim, do you?

So why do you like firebombing civilians so much - other than your "military genius generals and admirals" liked to napalm civilians by the tens and hundreds of thousands at a time. Maybe that is your objection to the atom bombs - people died too quickly and you think they should have been more slowly burned to death because that is "genius."

 

You can pretend you know more than the greatest military minds this country has ever seen. .....but we get to laugh at it. Lol

 

You still saying that?

Look, the greatest military minds dropped the bomb. Take it up with those guys.

Let me tell you a bit about those greatest minds.

You had Hap Arnold. The only 5 star General to command the Air Force. He fired the general bombing Japan and replaced him with General Le May. I recall both when I was a kid.

Both were outstanding Generals.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_H._Arnold#Chief_of_Air_Corps

 

What he is claiming is that his greatest military minds believed dropping the atom bombs would be mass murdering genocide - and then they when ahead and did their part to drop the bombs. Simply, he is calling those claims are mass murderers also are geniuses. Put together, he is claiming that people who believe they are committing mass murder and act upon committing that mass murder are geniuses. That's about how his logic works.

 

He is stubborn for sure. And he probably never heard of General Hap Arnold and General Curtis Le May. Arnold to this day is the only 5 star General commanding the Air Force. Le May also was thought of as a super top commander. Arnold got the B-29 into action in Japan. And he put Le May in charge.

 

Read the thread. I quoted both of those generals who were against dropping the bomb. Lol

 

I hardly think so. Since they dropped it.

 

Read their quoted words. And no....they had nothing to do with the bomb being dropped in japan

 

Oh, how do you think the bombs got dropped? By carrier pigeons?

Buddy, I did read their alleged comments.

As I said, it was the military that dropped them.

 

Were they lying when they said the bomb was unecessary?

 

No of No. Korea set them nuclear bombs against US troops if Trump invate No. Korea US troops will suffer....

 

Japan had already indicated a desire to surrender and possibly the only condition for surrender would have been that the emperor would remain the figurehead of the Japanese government that we eventually allowed. We never attempted to secure a surrender with just that one condition so there's no way of knowing for sure.

What we do know is that dropping of the bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki was opposed by many of the top military leaders of the United States.

https://www.thenation.com/article/why-the-us-really-bombed-hiroshima/

 

Ending war is NEVER a "necessity" to generals and admirals. For many it is a lay-off pink slip and for all of them it is lose of future glory, fame and true life-death power to instead, at best, just become a paper-pusher if not outright losing their jobs.

How is ending a world war "necessary" for a general or admiral?

 

By that definition a nuclear bomb should be used on day 2 of every war

 

That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

 

I could not agree more. Your views are madness