Seriously, why do you fear Universal Healthcare as a solution for US?

Better than the outcome for someone in rural India. That has nothing to do with my post though. I'm speaking to quality of outcomes. I welcome the debate on price and access though.

 

Lucifer, brace yourself: government is not your little friend - government kills.

Government is a necessary evil. Government is not kind, gentle or efficient.

 

Well of course all that is lovely from a certain perspective, but while they do say all comparisons are odious, perhaps you might care to travel a bit, and see how your society is viewed from a less self-congratulatory, and more objective, world wide perspective.

As this thread is about health care, are you aware that your very expensive, and not very democratic, private health care system is ranked 37th (after Costa Rica) by the World Health Organisation, whereas the poor old ramshackle NHS allows the UK to be ranked 18th, and Medicare allows Australia to be ranked 9th? All the societies ranked higher than the US enjoy Universal Health Care of one sort or another. http://thepatientfactor.com/canadia...zations-ranking-of-the-worlds-health-systems/

Moving on to your much celebrated standard of living - the best arbiter thereof is recognised as the Inequality Adjusted Human Development Index.

The last published ranking had Norway holding the highest HDI, with Australia 4th. The UK was 13th, and the USA was 28th. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_inequality-adjusted_HDI

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Mob rule at its finest.
At least you're honest about it and don't try spin out some line of bullshit about how you're qualitatively different from the mafia.

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looks like the profanity filter is looking for spaces

 

Thank you, Vegas.

You are quite correct on that. Although getting it through the heads of some of the puppets is almost an impossibility.

 

As I have pointed out several times, the WHO survey is a poor way to judge a healthcare system. Far too much emphasis on overall health, and not enough on the actual care that is received. There is also no standard reporting for all criteria, which leads to inaccuracies.

 

Sorry, but if you've ever bid a government contract then you know they always take the lowest bidder. I think you might be talking more about quality control, but that's why we have the FDA. I would bet that the first thing the government would do to lower cost is strip new drugs of their permits so allow generic competitors to offer cheaper alternatives.

 

Interesting that France is ranked #1. My experience has been very positive, doctors are readily available, the hospitals are efficient, and the administration seems to work well. About 2/3rds of the cost is paid by the government through tax, the rest is either paid for by companies for their employees or by private insurance.

 

It's not true unless you pile a bunch of unnecessary legal requirements onto insurance.

You know what's even more efficient than medicare, though? Killing everyone.

 

I'd say, "nice try"...but it was far from a nice try. It was a lousy try. It was an attempt at being cute...but we know where that goes when American conservatives try it.

By almost every metric, Medicare is far more efficient than private insurance...especially in the areas of controlling costs and having much lower administrative costs.

 

What is the outcome for a CVD patient in the US with no insurance?

 

Welcome to every country on the planet. Lol

 

So I guess you dont want an actual debate on facts. Im sure I can find cases of very good outcomes from people that pay in cash though.

 

I'm sure you can. For Outcomes you can check the WHO the most respected agency in the world that gathers that info

 

I don't believe it. Feel free to link to proof, but I can't take your word for anything because your word is unreliable.
It's still true that killing everyone is more efficient than medicare.

 

I've already posted about outcomes. If you want to discuss the other issues that affect those outcomes we can.

As I have stated already, the US has a lot of shortcomings in our healthcare system. Corporate profit is but a small piece in a very large, and complicated, puzzle.

 

It is the biggest piece if you are sick and have no insurance. The WHO outcome data is clear. You dismiss it because you don't like what it says

 

Actually no. Corporate profit doesnt have any affect on your health or your access to insurance.

Keep thinking small though. I'm sure it will help you gain a solid grasp on the issues.

 

It affects your access. Health care outcomes are pretty bad for people with no access

 

nope. Access is determined by the availability of beds and appointments. Insurance has no affect on that.

 

I always enjoy comparisons with counties that provide for socialized Medical for 65-24-5 million. The U.S. has more people out of the workforce the all three of your examples combined! It always makes for grand musing picking from 151 countries that don't even come close to equal populous and avoiding the honest fact that we are 28th out of a 151 countries in inequality-adjusted HDI while maintaining a national infrastructure and world military presence while providing for 96 million people not in the workforce, 16 million unemployed, 61 million on disability and retired with 120 million actual taxpayers!

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Looks like TrumpCare is DOA. Even Republicans hate it. You see what happens, Donnie?

 

MY word is unreliable.

That from someone asserting that killing everyone is more efficient than medicare!

Oh, well.

Here's a link to some information...although I suspect your puppet masters will require you to ignore the information.

 

Just a third? Gee, and you wonder why those who can afford to come to the US to get medical treatment, do. Better quality. BTW, you are also more likely to die in a UK hospital than in the US.
http://www.itv.com/news/update/2013-09-11/patients-45-more-likely-to-die-in-nhs-hospital-than-us/

 

Yep. Access is determined by access to insurance which is too expensive for many people due to corporate profit