Trump Effect: Jewish and Muslim Organizations Form New Alliance

By the way, we find this jewish – Muslim alliance in other countries as well. For example, I just made a post in another thread where I wrote about how Russia's jewish community tried to enlist the country's Muslim leaders in their fight against a government decision that would allow Christianity to be taught to Russian schoolchildren:

http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=494294&page=6&p=1067156016#post1067156016

Yes, that's right, folks. Jews in Russia want to team up with Muslims in their fight against Christianity. Think about that for a moment. Let it sink in.

 

We find this jewish – Muslim alliance in Italy as well, where jews use their huge influence in the country's media to push for multiculturalism, which includes Muslim immigrants. One of these jews is the super-rich and crooked media mogul Carlo De Benedetti:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlo_De_Benedetti

De Benedetti's newspapers and magazines pump out aggressive "anti-racist", pro-immigration propaganda and attack traditional Italian/Western values, and many of the articles are written by jewish journalists and "intellectuals" from various countries: Roberto Saviano (who is one of Italy's most prominent "anti-racists"), Bruno Zevi, Naomi Klein, Moisés Naím, etc.

 

I wonder what part of we must push the Jews into the sea do Jewish organizations not understand about Muslims.

 

It's simple, buddy: as we have shown in several threads, jewish organizations want Muslims in Western countries, but not in Israel.

 

So these Jewish activists claim they "haven't forgotten their history" when it comes to justifying their support for refugee resettlement in America. Using the same reasoning would they then support the expulsion of Israelis from Israel in order to establish a new state for Syrian refugees in Israel's footprint along the lines of what happened to the Palestinians in 1948?

 

Here's another example of how leaders of Italy's jewish community support Muslim refugees in the West:

http://forward.com/news/breaking-news/320509/italys-jewish-leadership-calls-for-aid-for-refugees/

 

On JTA we find another example of how jews from various countries and walks of life come together to attack president Trump over his so-called Muslim ban:

http://www.jta.org/2017/01/29/news-...-jews-stand-out-among-those-welcoming-muslims

 

The article in my OP may be recent, but jews and Muslims have been working together for a long time. Here's an article from 2011:

http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/jewis...ow-to-fight-growing-racism-in-europe-1.347758

 

This is a message I have posted elsewhere but will post it here too.

The focus on the report showing job growth during Trump's first month in office have been on why, as a "lagging indicator", Trump doesn't deserve any credit for the new job numbers. The real focus, however, should be on the implications of seeing positive economic growth in the US under Trump? Specifically, whether that would bring more and more people to follow the blue-print Trump has in mind and whether the whole process will make the whole analogy to what transpired in Germany in 1930s even more apt?

That would be the irony of ironies, since Trump's blue-print (no matter how needlessly uncomfortable some of Trump's sternest critics - who to their credit include a disproportionate number of American Jews - feel about pointing it out) is actually a blue-print that has been worked on in close association with certain right wing pro Israeli figures and groups. And it is a blue print that in many ways takes the Nazi blue print on a host of issues and merely substitutes some of the labels for others. Instead of "Jews" its "Muslims" and instead of "antisemitism" you have "Islamophobia". Instead of the Nazi adaptation of Lebensraum (living space) and the colonization of various areas by German settlers, you have Israeli settlers colonizing Palestinian lands and, instead of the Greater German Reich, you have the ideas behind creating a Greater Israel. If the Nazis unleashed WWII, this version of the neo-Nazis (aligned with these ultra Zionists) will be unleashing something resembling WWIII. Except, instead of Czechoslovakia and Poland, this time it will be Syria and Iraq and instead of Britain it would be Iran. Of course, like the Nazis who wanted to initially neutralize Russia with the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact pos, these folks are working on neutralizing Russia with some sort of a Putin-Trump pact!

The concentration camps (when they come to pass, which isn't all that far fetched given the hysteria against the Muslim refugees in Europe) may turn out to be less gruesome than the one preferred by the Nazis and admittedly haven't come to pass yet. And Trump's road to the takeover of the US government will not run the same course as the takeover the Weimer Republic by the Nazis. But the even the Nazis weren't able to accomplish their takeover of the Weimer Republic immediately, nor did the concentration camp start off the bat. In the meantime, though, the baby steps in the takeover of the various levers of government in the US is running its admittedly bumpy course.

 

You believe all Jews think alike?

 

Trump's admin team has already decided it is going to build a load of detention centres ( I think needs the agreement of congress) to put all the people they wish to deport in. Those people will have no right to legal help.

 

Now what on earth would Jews and Muslims be doing coming together to fight xenophobia?

Something to do with this possibly

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/03/tru...f-jews-at-arizona-rally/#.WMHkKRJjIZk.twitter

Maybe it has something to do with those closest to Trump

Steve Bannon Claims: “U.S. Jews are Behind the ‘Muslim invasion'”

 

Well, there are countless so-called "counter-jihadists" (not just in the US, but here in Europe as well) who deny this and claim that jews have Western values and are their best allies in the fight against Muslims.

So America's jews live in fear because of a 13-year-old child?The stuff that the jewish propaganda machine excretes is sometimes hilarious.

Your link leads to the pathetic garbage site Loonwatch which uses smears instead of facts. Post a link to the Breitbart article in which Bannon said "U.S. jews are behind the Muslim invasion", and then we can continue our discussion. Thanks.

 

You can imagine whatever you like. Imagination isn't reality.

 

It may have escaped your notice, but 6 million Jews died under a far-right regime. That might possibly be why they veer toward the left.

 

Jews are just like all other people. They have different opinions. What you are speaking about there is a bit like people are saying of Trump. There he is all for Israel but he has made many fascist comments through twitter and the alt right have the same position, like Israel, like antisemitism. The Christian far right too I hear. No doubt they will be going back to the old idea of getting rid of Jews by deporting them all to Israel.

Of course not and nor was it just one child who was suggesting they go home to Israel. Jews more than anyone are aware of this sort of thing. It is stupid to imagine that White Nationalist and Christian Supremacists will just want rid of Mexicans and Muslims.

ah!! smears the far right indeed. Smears people like anti islam extremists and other similar minded by exposing them. ha ha, thanks for letting me know your position....but no they are pretty good on facts.

Look for it yourself. Even I know that white nationalists have been blaming Jews for multicularism due to the Frankfurt school. With respect to Israel they always complain 'Jews' have forced the white people to take in non whites, but Israel only wants Jews. They call it hypocrisy. Have you not tried that one? Obviously as this is white nationalists we are talking about they are very jealous of Israel. However now they see hope for themselves of being able to create a similar situation in the US, they feel quite friendly towards Jews - no doubt will eventually be offering them planes home to Israel.

I went and had a look at that article again

I admit I am too busy to have spent much time on Breibart but even on this forum you can see that there are almost daily smears of Soros . It has occurred to me he must be an extremely busy man and that this time, rather than saying Jews in general run the world, it appears this remarkable man Soros, manages it all by himself. See, loonwatch is not stupid.

Oh and by the way there obviously was a very big difference in Jews who believed in multiculturalism and equal rights to those working for ethnic nationalism in Israel and of course that difference is that they were not ethnic nationalists. As I said like every other people, Jews have different points of view and some of them are Internationalist and very against ethnic nationalism.

 

3 million Polish Catholics were killed under the Nazis, and most Poles are right wing.

It's something though, Jews in Israel are right wing overwhelmingly, while everywhere else Jews are left wing overwhelmingly.

It seems Jews only want left wing values for the goy countries, but not for their Israel.

 

Good news! Jews and Muslims have much in common

 

Unbelievable. You make a claim, I ask you for a source, and you reply "Look for it yourself".

When I make claims here on PF (and on other forums as well), like "jewish leader praises ISIS terrorist attack in Paris" or "jews produce holocaust pornography" or "jews kidnap European women and force them to become sex slaves in Israel", I always back them up with quotes from articles from well-known jewish newspapers and news sites so that my opponents can't accuse me of using "Nazi"/"antisemitic" blogs as sources.

If Steve Bannon is such a big "antisemite" who is constantly smearing jews, why can't you show me proof of this in one of his Breitbart articles (which should be filled with "jew -hate" according to his critics) instead of linking to a ridiculous garbage site called "Loonwatch"? Note that I'm not necessarily denying that Bannon has criticized jews, and I don't even think it's wrong to do so – when the criticism is warranted. I just want you to post a link to his own words, and not to garbage articles that his opponents have written.

I've never paid much attention to Bannon, but I'm pretty sure he's not a White Nationalist.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Bannon

Why are all these jews defending Bannon?

Of course I have, how could you possibly think that there's something wrong with that? In one of my previous posts I quoted from an article by the intelligent and principled jewish journalist Philip Weiss who showed that influential jewish activists and organizations that attack president Trump over his immigration policy are hypocrites because they support Israel's horrible treatment of Palestinians and its African immigrants:

http://mondoweiss.net/2017/02/slamming-hardhearted-palestinian/

Are you saying that I should ignore this outrageous hypocrisy? Am I an "antisemite" for posting a quote from this excellent article? And is Philip Weiss a "self-hating jew" for writing it?

 

Wow this thread got nutty quick. People Trump is not Hitler, not trying to get the Jew, not going to throw people in concentration camps, oh and he is not hiding Hoffa's body. Oh and just so you all know Obama was born in America and is not taking your guns.

 

Please explain why do you have a problem with Jews being liberals and left leaning while you rely yourself on a far-left hate site like Mondoweiss.

 

Of course, Mondoweiss isn't a "hate site", but what do you mean when you say "rely on"? You seem to be implying that I'm blindly accepting unsubstantiated claims by Philip Weiss, but that's obviously not the case since Weiss quoted these hypocritical jewish activists' own words, and linked to their official websites where they appear.

 

Stop trying to be smart. You were given a link. You did not like it and so asked for Breibart saying it.

Well well done, making sure people cannot accuse you of using nazi antisemetic blogs and looking for what you believe is verifiable. I notice last night in another forum on this site that you were claiming they were fabricating a jihaddist had been at a Synagogue. If you had looked at it, as I did then you would have found that yes, he did but it was simply poor taste for an event he was supposed to have dressed up for. Scared the **** out of people so they called the cops before they discovered it was him.

When you post in the way you did above and emphasising Jews it does come over as antisemetic. Antisemitism like all hatreds is trying to present people as different from what they are. When you say Jews all the time for nasty happenings it is like you are trying to present all Jews in this way. Would you do the same, White Men guilty of Pedophilia etc. People do this about Muslims all the time. The intent is to present it as all Muslims though of course they will always be quick to say they do not mean all Muslims but they just present daily whatever they can find against Muslims to try to present the interpretation that all Muslims are like that. I have not read many of your posts but from what you are saying possibly that is what you do about Jews - especially as you feel a need to make sure they do not come from Nazi sources.

Loonwatch did not say he was constantly smearing Jews. What they did say is

and give Haaretz as their source

Trump has surrounded himself with the alt right and the Christian Right who also tend to be antisemetic. Possibly Bannon is a bit of both though it looks as if his hatred is far more for Muslims

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/03/steve-bannon-islamophobia-film-script-muslims-islam

Bannon is one of if not the closest advisor to Trump. You may remember that on Holocaust Day they did not mention Jews. Now I understand the argument that Holocaust day should not be just for Jews....but not mentioning them??? This it was said later was deliberate the belief being that he was keeping on the right side of the alt right - though I hear that if the US is going to get fascism it is much more likely that the ideology will come from the Christian right who are much better networked and in institutions in the US. They share some hatred with the alt right - antisemitism, hatred of LGBT and of course hatred of Muslins.

You already had the source on the page I linked to. Now you have it in full. The place to look is the place where the information is.

Loonwatch is not a garbage site. You clearly do not like it presumably that is because they expose some of your ideas for what they are. Again when you quote something, it is the source which you need to give. Loonwatch gives Haaretz.

Stop trying to sell Breibart to me.

really, then what is all this pissing around for then?

It very very rarely is warranted to criticise an ethnicity. Generally that comes from the idea that they are all the same and no ethnicity, 'race' or anyone else is. That is where your 'Jews' headlines say more than you seem to know.

well you had the link from the first post I made. If you had read it you would have found out.

Whether he is or not Breibart fed to them. The other person who organised the first Muslim Ban with him, name escapes me had links with Richard Spencer. However like I said Trumps team is alt right and Religious Right and looking at that stuff on the Guardian he may have a hand in both.

There are plenty of right wing Jews whose first or possibly only interest is Israel. The ideal for White Nationalists would be Jews sent 'home' to Israel. This would also suit Netanyahu. Again you seem to have a very simplistic view believing all Jews would be motivated by the same thing.

That point is obviously one which several people have brought up. The term has been 'Liberal on everything but Israel' and may be something which they will need to think about. Not easy for them as I have read they tend to be ostracised if they do but it may well be that a time is coming where they will need to question what their views are. There are also many Jews in the States who do question this and from what I read Trumps idea of the two state solution got even more. Big mistake Trump made there. Talk of a two state solution is fine because it allows people to pretend it is happening though it has not been a possibility for some time now.

No I do not think you need to ignore things

No. However every thing you say does seem to amount to disparaging Jews. That is generally a sign if you can only see bad in a people. Pretty obvious.

Why would he be a self hating Jew?

 

You made a claim about Bannon, and your source was a link to a site called "Loonwatch" (nice, serious and objective name, huh?), and "Loonwatch's" source was an article that was written by Bannon's jewish opponents/critics.

If I were to make a controversial claim about jews and use an article by Andrew Anglin on the White Nationalist site The Daily Stormer as a source, would you accept it? Of course not. (Even though The Daily Stormer is actually more credible than jewish mainstream media.)

I'm sorry to hear that, but it's your loss, Lexi.

Yes, when I make a claim about jews I make sure to include quotes from well-known jewish newspapers because – get this – I refuse to rely exclusively on articles that are written by their enemies. Yeah, how silly of me.

If I write "jews produce holocaust pornography", I obviously don't mean every single jew in the entire world – in that case I would write "the jews". "Jews" simply means "more than one jew", and I'm pretty sure you know that.

Do you, Lexi?

Why doesn't anyone mention the Holodomor in which 2.5 – 10 million Eastern Europeans were murdered by jewish communists?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor

I've never said that all the jews in the entire world should be criticized. Stop using that ridiculous strawman, lady.

Are you saying that the ADL is a right-wing organization?

And you keep using the ridiculous strawman that I dislike all jews, even though I just praised the jewish journalist Philip Weiss for his intelligence and principles. Why should I even bother to discuss with you when you ignore what I write in order to hurl cheap and dishonest strawmen at me?

 

I copied a link to a story. I said nothing else. Why is it such a big issue to you if that article may come form a 'Jewish' source? If you would have looked properly you would have found out that Haaretz got it from the Washington Post.

I see so to you Haaretz, a left wing Israeli paper is the Jewish equivalent of white nationalism. You have some serious issues. Any Jew speaking to you is the equivalent of a White nationalist. No Jew speaking could ever be anything but an extremist. You have serious issues.

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Actually I did not put that well. A similar sort of thing about white people would be 'Whites love paedophilia" or in when talking about the West in general " Christian Crusaders"

You believe that the Holodomor was the reason why Trump was advised not to mention Jews in connection with this years Holocaust remembrance? You would need to take your argument as to whether this was caused by Jewish Communists to another thread.

and of course you would not. I never said you did. It is you who is making the strawman. Muslims haters though as I said always take great care to say that they are not saying all Muslims.

Never mentioned the ADL

You claimed to be proving you did not believe all Jews were hateful by providing his criticism of liberal American Jews. You believe this is proof that you are not antisemetic. I very much doubt that Weiss would agree with you.

The irony here is it is you yourself who has been questioning whether you are antisemetic. I have just been replying to you.