OK Atheists.......prove god doesn't exist

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  1. Frank

    Frank Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What the hell are you raving on about?

    I am talking about the possible existence of gods.

    If you want to talk about religion and perverted they can be...talk to someone else.
     
  2. Frank

    Frank Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No one incurs a burden of proof for refusing to "believe" something.

    But if an assertion is made...like "There are no gods"...then the burden is incurred.

    In my opinion, the best position to take is, "I lack a 'belief' that gods exist...and I lack a 'belief' that no gods exist."

    That is just my opinion.
     
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    RiaRaeb Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No you need to think this through and take it to its logical conclusion.

    If someone wants to lob my head off because their god tells them to, I can tell them that unless they prove the existence of their god they are wrong, you cannot. More importantly society cannot tell them they are wrong unless it proves their god does not exist. Shifting the burden of proof as you wish to do has practical implications, it is not just a theoretical concept.
     
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    RiaRaeb Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Which is exactly the same as saying "I lack a belief in gods".
     
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    Maybe atheist is best yet.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I am your one true God ! Now that the truth has been revealed you may commence worshiping me.

    I will PM you with an address where you can start sending checks.
     
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    lol!
     
  8. RiaRaeb

    RiaRaeb Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If you start demanding money with menaces I cannot say you are wrong since I cannot prove you are not a god, if I follow Franks reasoning.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Menaces ? I tell you this. If you do not "believe". If you do not "have faith" - the worst thing your unbelieving mind can imagine will happen to you.

    If you do not believe you will be tortured in the worst ways imaginable .. and not just for a few days. For an eternity. Eternal torture - for ever and ever and ever.
     
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    RiaRaeb Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Since I cannot prove you are not god, I have to say ok and await your PM! Will you take a cheque?
     
  11. Frank

    Frank Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I am talking about whether or not gods exist.

    If you are saying that no gods exist...the burden of proof of that assertion is on you.

    If you are not saying that...go say whatever it is you saying (or babbling) to someone else.
     
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    Check is fine but, make sure it does not bounce as this would put you in danger of being roasted in the eternal fire.

    Remember when you are filling out the amount - you need not worry so much about your time here on earth; earthly possessions are meaningless - it is your eternal soul that is important.
     
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    RiaRaeb Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Sorry Frank I have just discovered I am a god, do not accuse me of babbling, unless you can prove I am not a god.
     
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    LOL you are stealing my material !
     
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    Logic is clearly not your forte.

    Alas, not a syllable of this answers the question; yet it's pretty obvious you believe a certain mojo attends nonpositive assertions that divests them of such burdens as you vainly imagine positive assertions are encumbered with.

    That's not a positive, and obviously that's not what i would be proving anyway. So you could hardly be more wrong if you tried.

    Believe me, I have boundless faith in your ability to discover an ant in the contents of my pocket and call it an elephant.

    Actually that is clearly not a possibility, at least to those of us who know what elephants and pockets are.

    That's because I don't know what that means. And there are a jillion other negatives I can't prove, and a jillion others I CAN prove.

    Not really.

    Hardly necessary.

    But thanks for the unwavering torrent of rank imbecilities, I guess.
     
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    Well if we can't determine it it doesn't exist except in an existential degree.
     
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    So if the " big bang" is god then of course god is now irrelevent to the human existance.
     
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    Now that is an offer I can't refuse. But of course first we need to know where to send the worship.
     
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    Logic doesn't dictate that fairy tales are reality..
     
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    The Easter Bunny analogy pretty much blows that logic away. Or the Santa Claus or any other recognized myth. Only difference is the illogical presumption that god is not an equivalent manifestation of the human imagination.
     
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    I don't think the definitions for those things are as broad as the definition of Gods. If you include the pantheist definition there really aren't many or even any common points that include all definitions.

    Excluding a pantheist definition then the common feature of all Gods are "the hidden supernatural cause for phenomena observed in the natural world."

    Are there any other defining features of Gods that are common to all Gods that I am missing?
     
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    To be sure. Of course what the hell that has to do with anything I said is anyone's guess.
     
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    Humans have been superstitious for 100,000 years. "Eventually" is a long way off.
     
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    Do you feel the same way about PsychicSnowflakes? Do you have any reason to believe that PsychicSnowflakes exist?

    Why would you give more credence to the existence of gods than to the existence of PsychicSnowflakes?
     
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    Why is it "hardly necessary"? Anyone who asks an atheist to prove that God does not exist must also be required to address the same kind of question.

    If you ask me to "prove" there is no god, then I would ask you to "prove" that everything was not created LastThursday.

    At least I can provide evidence that gods are the creation of man's imaginings.
    You can provide no evidence that everything was not created LastThursday.
     

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