Ever increasing costs of childcare.

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  1. Latherty

    Latherty Well-Known Member

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    Children benefit from having a plurality of influences. The government can be useful in taming excesses of family and peer influence, just as the family and peers can provide alternatives to government influence.
     
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  2. Latherty

    Latherty Well-Known Member

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    Out of curiosity, did your children end up adopting your habits or did they conform to the wider norm?
     
  3. garry17

    garry17 Well-Known Member

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    Yes, of course they do be it bad or good. BUT the point is that those who teach children which can include teachers, peers and parents what they are told is generally taken as gospel or better put literally. Government should have no hand in teaching children as often the partisan ideals of the sitting government will also influence children. Again look at the climate change debate and how the schools teach children about what is happening from the perspective of whoever is teaching these children at the time.
    I do believe the lessons of the past are forgotten quickly while people accept certain circumstances when they agree, Again I talk about the effective way the Nazis used the children to their advantage. This one aspect of government impressing their will on the children of the nation should give shivers to those who happily accept the influence of government in the education system.
     
  4. m2catter

    m2catter Well-Known Member

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    Yeap,
    that is exactly why we need teachers to educate children, and most certainly about climate change.
    Because their brain dead parents are certainly good in going to the pub, but latest after that their brain fully stop.
    I always found it quirky that people lash out against teachers, not teaching proper true blue Aussie values, as those people's mindset remained in the 1950's..
    Upps, so sorry, I forgot, climate change is a saga....
    Cheers
     
  5. garry17

    garry17 Well-Known Member

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    Again why do you keep displaying your inability to get out of the gutter. Clearly people are discussing well above your idealistic understanding but you still have to inject your lack of ability to comprehend the discussion all while trying to pretend you know what you’re talking about.

    Clearly, you believe all people who are parents are brain dead alcoholics who are incapable of any thought processes above the rudimentary demand for survival and pleasure. Way to go there, I don’t see any way to say you’re full of hate of people other than actually telling the world.

    Since you lay general hatred against parents, I just don’t understand why you would want to comment, clearly it is just to impress everybody with… err… your hatred of all things who do not bow to your superiority??? I don’t know but it is clear you don’t want to discuss the issue you simply wish to cast dispersions. Funny enough that is the text book meaning of the label TROLL...
     
  6. m2catter

    m2catter Well-Known Member

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    garry,
    wouldn't it be far easier for you to explain to us why you hate teachers?
    Cheers
     
  7. garry17

    garry17 Well-Known Member

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    Way to project your hatred on others. You appear to be desperate to run from you claims of privatisation and now you’re stereotyping of parents. Of course we don't expect your explanations but maybe you will surprise the world by injecting your stupidity into it again...
     
  8. crank

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    The eldest is a tightwad extraordinaire and already loaded. The other two are less so, but considerably more economically intelligent than their friends. They used to whine about our frugality, now they appreciate it for the benefits it's delivered directly to them (in major acquisitions/travel etc).
     
  9. crank

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    I don't regard those things as lost, though. They are intact in many cultures/communities.
     
  10. Deckel

    Deckel Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Because children cost money.
     
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  11. LeftRightLeft

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    You know what, I agree with more of what you say then I disagree with but I have stopped even reading most of your posts and once again you have not disappointed me. I have a particular interest in this subject and was quite enjoying reading the DIFFERENT takes people had on it. Then your alter ego, the super troll showed up and you resorted to schoolyard bullying people who disagreed with you so once again you have dragged your own thread down the sewer. That rubbish above is not a debate on childcare costs, it's your usual personal vilification of those that do not agree with you. At least you haven't let me down.

    PS Your continued vilification of anyone who disagrees with you is the reason I have less time for this entire forum to be honest
     
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  12. garry17

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    That is good keep ignoring my posts; I much prefer you did as all your comments have always been personal attacks and simply trying to shut down discussion you don’t understand. This being no exception.

    As often enough, your comment is nothing but personal attack and typically not adding anything, your attempt at pretending to be the victim while trying to support the trolling of another, is meaningless.

    PS. is that because I don't agree with YOU
     
  13. Bowerbird

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    Agreed - best support for a child is the extended family

    Cost of child care etc all revolve around the fact that the majority of Australians are in a nuclear family

    But your concept of extended care facilities is not a bad one and does offer the ability for teachers etc to supplement income working overtime at the facility if required and that makes the facility more sustainable
     
  14. garry17

    garry17 Well-Known Member

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    True in various cultures and communities they are not lost, but in places where government has imposed itself on the population, where government constructs reliance of the people loss of accountability where the people look to lay blame on anybody or anything else rather than themselves values get lost...
     
  15. LeftRightLeft

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    No actually see once again you assume, assume assume , I do agree with most you have said but while ever you continue like a child I see no reason to even comment, these are too important issues to discuss with someone who is going to return a scathing attack just because you don't like them, even when they AGREE with you, as you have done in the past. You nearly singlehandedly have turned me off this forum as a place of civilised debate.

    There are a few other "one eyed" members here but at least they will debate, not just vilify.
     
  16. Sallyally

    Sallyally Well-Known Member Donor

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    Do you mean in order to lose money you must have children?
    I know that, but I think that families are happier and safer if the quest for money is onerous.
     
  17. garry17

    garry17 Well-Known Member

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    Garbage, my comments to those who wish to discuss issues do not reflect your criticism. Since I am not the only person discussing this issue regardless of stance, again your pretence of victim status agian points to the truth of your comment.

    Again, you don't have to comment on my posts you don't even have to read them, I do not demand it and I generally ignore your rants. Since some supposed spat you and your compatriots have had with the moderators I have generally not comments on your posts even when you bait with insults, those who read your words, see the truth in your comments,

    For somebody who wants to discuss or debate points so far nothing to contribute to the thread but personal attack. Personally, your attacks are better off the forum.
    Just as here, you did not have to comment, you had the opportunity to comment with others, yet it is your hatred of me that has made you single out my comments and attempt to intimidate with the victim status.

    Again, you disillusion of the forum is not of my making but from your hatred. So many voices yet you have singled me out, just as your compatriot to denigrate and demean because you feel insulted over the fact I do not suffer fools and idiots lightly.

    I noted on your previous identity nothing but the same, so when it was abundantly clear you were being treated with disdain you tried to pretend in others then poor you. Even our first interaction in this form was nothing but your personal attacks.

    So all in all, again, you are free to do what you want and complain as you want, the truth stands forth for all to read. I prefer you would ignore my comments as I generally ignore yours, should you want real discussion then perhaps contribute to threads not just attack people with your hatred. IT is your decision as to whom to talk too and what to say, pretending I am encroaching on your trolling is rather pathetic really, but that is you…
     
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    garry17 Well-Known Member

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    You know, the issue of family has degraded in a globalised world as in village and community the size of the family meant wealth and safety, as I believe you allude to. The value of children in the community dynamic is far above the dollar value placed upon them.

    Due entirely to the perception of how much children cost, we hear all the time from the media how much it costs, many family units are putting off the raising of children until later in life and some are simply stopping. Creating situation where the populations is getting older and many ignore the real value in family.

    The self-righteous and selfish ideal of what is in it for me is actually killing humanity to the applause of people too stupid to consider the truth. All the time you see people giving birth to children later and later in life so much so that others believe they can put it off a little longer. Soon it will be test tubes and clones until the extinction of the human race simply because many cannot see the true value of children in society…

    However, the problem we have here is a bunch of people who believe paying welfare to maintain a life style is more important than perpetuation of the community, nation and species. So the debate of how to pay for something that is far more important than many issues is made.

    Priorities are wrong in this issue…
     
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    I mean that children are no different than an automobile. If you elect to have one, they will cost you money. To believe that you should not have to pay money for taking care of your children is no more logical than to advocate for free cars and gas for life. If you cannot afford neither, then have neither.
     
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    Keep the women barefoot and pregnant huh?
     
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    The only long term effect a person has is the children they have. What is the point of us being here otherwise, if not to perpetuate the species. And I don't think you should equate children with cars.
     
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    You don't have to be rich to afford to raise children. You just have to budget and live within your means.
     
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    I agree.
    However it doesn't mean that $200/day for a childcare facility are justified.
    Because in that case normal people cannot afford kids/childcare.
    There are plenty out there earning around $25/h......
    Reg.
     
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    Not having children has a long term effect as well since overpopulation begins with little snot-nosed CO2 emitting things whose diapers are clogging our landfills who will eventually expect society to give them a free car. And I don't think you should equate having children with a guarantee of free to you benefits paid for by someone else, so I guess we can call it a draw in that regard.
     
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    Stop expecting massive increases and improved profits and astronomical returns on investments year after year and then the world will realise that we don't need to keep worrying about squaring up the population pyramid. Greed drives our population, and without continued demand our economies would "so called" go backwards. In any instance it will happen and it will happen naturally!
     

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