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Best to ignore Freedomseeker because his posts are all effectively the same and all his posts are trolling

 

Well it took Christianity about 1500 years and many other faiths have been around longer and not yet achieved enlightenment, what are you trying to achieve with your looking down your nose at them. You realise atheism is thought to be a belief system by some people as well. Move on, live your life to your own moral standards and quit with the judging others all the time.

 

Yep I was coming to that conclusion by myself, hard to ignore when he is flooding the forum with constant demands that everyone condemns Muslims. I'll look for the ignore function.

 

couldn't agree more.

If we accept the common brutality of traditional "faith" which, lets face it is a virtual horror show, omg we have been disgustingly awful to our fellow human beings throughout our entire history. It makes your head spin. With all that humanity has to offer its embarrassing that we can be so dam brutal.

Lets not forget, its ONLY the 2-4% of our total global population that i actually exposes how we can be the deepest, darkest, most disgusting, most vile creatures on this planet.

The other 96% really do not like that 4%, they make us look bad.

The minority is seriously farking up what could be a good thing, there is so much potential for symbiotic global cooperation and here we are killing each other, every dam day.

Constant friction.
Humanity is embarrassing itself

 

Not sure what the 4% you elude to represents, care to elaborate?

 

Only Christianity has got the Son of God himself in it which gives it an edge in the "true" stakes..

 

Why not be critical of other belief systems if they deserve condemnation? There are those who believe their race is superior, their ideology, their religion, their culture, etc. I believe it's our duty to be critical of those who believe in the inferiority of other human beings and if you want to call it 'looking down your nose' rather than the legitimate criticism it surely can be, then the flaw seems to lie with you.

 

She was probably reading the messages from people celebrating the murders.

 

Nope, I think Zeus is more credible than Jesus. So is Ra. So is Nanook. So is Thor (he has a 5 movie deal....does Jesus?....no!!)

 

Ok, Neville Chamberlain, I'll just ignore the evil that is going on, and hope everything turns up roses. We are in the longest war in US history, with no end in sight, and the enemy desperately wants nukes.....doesn't that concern you?

 

Then please educate me, show me where I'm (apparently) wrong.

 

Ah, but the polytheists are not allowed to be voted into offices of power over the exalted/superior Muslims, now are they. Islam is a supremacist belief system. Jesus was also a supremacist, as he WON'T let Gandhi into "heaven", but WILL let a murderer in if said murderer does indeed reform his ways and sincerely suck up to Jesus. Obviously supremacist belief systems.

"Hate"? I love Muslims. Jesus hates Muslims. Can we agree that if we were in "god's" shoes that we'd care enough about our fellow humans to let decent/ethical Muslims into "heaven" if it were up to us? And we'd also let in decent/ethical Christians as well? If so, then we are better than Mohammad/Allah, and better than Jesus/God. Can we agree that we'd let them in (and avoid barbaric torture in god's Auschwitz - "hell"), notme? Can we?

 

We are at war with Islam. What do you think are the 3 worst things in the Islamic texts, off the top of your head, Jim?

 

We can believe a person who was voted the greatest Brit of all time, OR we can believe a person who didn't understand that sex with children is wrong. My money is on the greatest Brit of all time.

 

By not condemning evil when asked to, you are simply empowering it.

 

Valid criticism I guess, my reluctance to pile in on others comes from a live and let live philosophy rather than a support for Islamic failures.
Also I have moved here from a place where levels of criticism have bordered on outright bigotry rather than any constructive motive.
My unsought for role in the last forum I used ended up being one of challenging the Islamophobic views of a small number of posters and it has made me rather defensive.
One of the reasons I have piled into this thread and presented this stance is to test the waters and find out pretty quickly what the prevailing attitude is here.

 

Lets go back to you mentioning Q9:5.... wanting a condemnation.
I call that cherry picking. Q9:6, the very next line, undermines your dogma.

 

Faith is an embarrasment to humanity.

 

Q9:5: "When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them.... "

Modern Secular Humanists don't slay people because of their beliefs - you could learn a thing or two from that, my friend. Those who can't condemn Q9:5 are the haters/bigots.

 

But why not be critical of Islam? Is there something special about it, something that puts it above criticism? If you want to list all the positive features Islam has to offer then why not do it and I'll point out a few of its shortcomings.

How is pointing out the hatreds prevalent in Islam 'bigotry'? Have you not noticed the bigotry in Islam itself, and its adherents, with an example being the subject now under discussion? Is it really necessary to point out their treatment of women and children, their antipathy toward a liberal education?

The term "Islamophobic" is as meaningless as Hinduphobic, Christianophobic, Jewophobic or Atheistophobic. Don't fall for that nonsense. Those murdered in this latest attack were probably not "Islamophobic" themselves, just victims of another crazed Muslim. Your 'live and let live' philosophy is obviously not being shared by a great many others of this backward belief system.

 

I just don't want to start piling into one faith without pointing out the faults in all the others. I don't have the time or inclination to take part in a crusade against all religions. As far as I'm concerned they are all backward belief systems. I can also see that some people need the crutch of their faith to get them through life and I'm just not the sort of person who would get any pleasure from kicking someone's crutch away.

 

In all fairness to Islam, I've been very very critical of other religions too, over the years here. I've made more posts condemning Jesus' savagery than you've made total posts on this forum, so I'm pretty safe in saying that.

 

Then STOP defending them! They rely on non-believers like you to stand up for their savagery, in the name of "tolerance". I don't tolerate their intolerance. Jesus can't tolerate filthy, say, Hindus, up in his elitist gated (pearly) community in the sky, so why would you tolerate the incredible bigotry that every Christian has.

 

We shouldn’t be blaming only radical Muslims. The mainstream media and our authorities are also responsible. They all know what is taught is Saudi sponsored mosques and did nothing to stop it. I’ve been advocating for years to take some preventive measures, to no avail. It’s high time people in the west started holding our politicians accountable for their collusion with people who sponsor terrorism.

I have yet to see any western journalist confronting people like ex-PM Blair, McCain, Graham, Hillary, Cameron, Obama, Merkel etc…with the facts about Saudi sponsored mosques in the USA and Europe. Why are they allowed to preach hatred and encourage terrorism without consequences? I urge everyone who didn't watch the Channel 4 documentary, Dispatches - Undercover Mosques, to watch and see what they really think about the western world.

Saudi Curriculum of Hate

Freedom House's Center for Religious Freedom released a report analyzing a set of Saudi Ministry of Education textbooks in use during the current academic year in Islamic studies courses for elementary and secondary students. The textbooks promote an ideology of hatred toward people, including Muslims, who do not subscribe to the Wahhabi sect of Islam.

https://freedomhouse.org/report/special-reports/saudi-arabias-curriculum-intolerance

Channel 4 film aimed to expose extremism
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2007/aug/08/broadcasting.channel4

The programme painted an alarming picture of how preachers in some of Britain's most moderate mosques were urging followers to reject British laws in favour of those of Islam.

At the Sparkbrook mosque, run by UK Islamic Mission, an organisation that maintains 45 mosques in Britain and which former prime minister Tony Blair described as "extremely valued by the government for its multi-faith and multicultural activities", a preacher was captured on film apparently praising the Taliban.

Dispatches - Undercover Mosque


Expert: Saudis have radicalized 80% of US mosques

Yehudit Barsky, AJC terrorism expert, talks of the power of extremist Wahhabi Islam in the United States.

http://www.jpost.com/International/Expert-Saudis-have-radicalized-80-percent-of-US-mosques

SAUDI PUBLICATIONS ON HATE IDEOLOGY INVADE AMERICAN MOSQUES
https://freedomhouse.org/sites/defa... on Hate Ideology Invade American Mosques.pdf

 

Religion is tearing the world apart.