Abortion is as unjust as slavery. An American historical perspective.

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  1. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

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    :) Abortion for sure isn't anything new under the sun, it's been around for about as long as humans have been around....and TA DA!..it will always be around :) :)
     
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    Zeffy Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If you ban abortion, you are forcing women who do not want to to give birth. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that.
     
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    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So how many have you personally adopted?
     
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  4. DixNickson

    DixNickson Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    From a very limited perspective, for a select beneficiary, I see that point being made but abortion marketing is often offered as a way to escape responsibility. Why are the majority of birth-control abortions done? Unfortunately, for many mothers, it will relieve mother of the physical responsibilities but it doesn't negate the consequential emotional aspects that accompany the taking of life. To kill your own child for so many mothers is, eventually, devastating. Why encourage expectant mothers to go through this trauma? Why not counsel to to save the unborn child's and mother's life?
     
  5. DixNickson

    DixNickson Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How many? What interest do you personally have in the answer to that question? If you have a point why not just make it?
     
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    Vegas giants Banned

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    Hell yeah its to avoid responsibility. Just like heart surgery for the fat guy or lung cancer treatment for the smoker. Its just a medical procedure
     
  7. DixNickson

    DixNickson Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Building on one of your quotes/thought themes.
     
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    Vegas giants Banned

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    No clue what you are on about
     
  9. DixNickson

    DixNickson Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Can you see the difference between your end of life undetectable brain activity patient and the beginning of life abortion victim, who left to his/her natural development timeline is not brain dead?
     
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    Vegas giants Banned

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    Nope. Both are brain dead and the choice to terminate is up to the next of kin. The analogy is perfect
     
  11. DixNickson

    DixNickson Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Denied responsibility has a way of making its presence known. We can ignore it for a time, maybe almost lifetime, but that debt, if not forgiven, will come due.
     
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    Vegas giants Banned

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    Blah blah blah. Its a medical procedure not a philosophical debate
     
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    DixNickson Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If no end of life intervention is made would you claim that each patient's status remains unchanged?
     
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    Vegas giants Banned

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    No. No one can guarantee that a brain dead person could not be cured in the future. No one can guarantee that a fetus will live to birth. The next of kin gets to make the call.
     
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    DixNickson Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No this, as is life, is all about philosophy, moral values, sacrifice, commitment etc.
     
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    Vegas giants Banned

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    That's nice. Abortion is a moral good just like removing a tooth is a moral good
     
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    DixNickson Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So hope is needed in these cases?

    Abortion and teeth, I read that before, does the pro-abortion folks pool and share their best one liners?
     
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    Face it. The analogy works. Look just about every civilized country has figured this out.....get with the program
     
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    DixNickson Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Human nature hasn't changed, left to our own devices, absent the aspiration of a greater standard, we'll sink to the lowest common denominator. Killing those who are least able to defend themselves doesn't elevate us as a society or a people, rather it reveals a depth of depravity where life is no longer sacred, bartering with it as if it were a simple commodity. No Vg, your comparison is lop-sided, the unborn are so much more than a human tooth.
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Religions have murdered millions of innocent women and children so they don't have a "greater standard" at all.
     
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    DixNickson Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    People murder, inanimate objects and thoughts/ideas do not. One may subscribe to an idea or thought to kill but that individual is required to commit an act for the murder to become a reality. People murder people.
     
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    Derideo_Te Well-Known Member

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    Religions are used as the motivations for murder.

    As any investigator will tell you the 3 basics are means, motive and opportunity. Very few murders are random acts of violence.

    Dr Tiller was murdered in a church by someone claiming to be motivated by his religious beliefs.
     
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    This was such a great response I wanted to post it again....

    I will use it to remind those who want to debate abortion on a philosophical or ethical plane how stupid that is.
     
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    DixNickson Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Your three basics are all for naught without the murderer choosing to commit the act of murder and then physically executing the necessary physical act. People murder people. People can contemplate all of your basics cited above however they still have to commit the act of murder, simply thinking of all the components/basics does not make it so. Unless you subscribe to the idea that to think it is equivalent to committing it?
     
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  25. FoxHastings

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    Humans have been ""Killing those who are least able to defend themselves"" since humans first walked upright.

    Abortions have been around for almost as long so I guess the 'depravity" will continue as it always has.....

    and you think it's depraved for women to have the right to their own bodies but thankfully they do...and like men and presidents and world leaders and Congressmen decide who lives and who dies.........
     
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