US Deploys Two More Aircraft Carrier Strike Groups Toward Korean Peninsula: Media.....

I find it EXTREMELY likely the agreement is already in place based on the silence of China, the amassing of their troops on Lil' Kimmys border and the relative silence of our military. Likely we are simply awaiting his next move before obliterating everything he has so China can mop up and take his country.

 

The photo below was taken about a year before I was assigned to Sub Unit One 1st ANGLICO. Those U.S. Marines in the photo along with the ROK Marines are with my old unit. The photo was taken just northwest of Hoi An.

 

China knows they can make more money with S Korea and as long as the US doesn't occupy anything in the North, its a win win for them.

 

Or the Chi-Coms army swill be a blocking force against the North Koreans ? No way out for the commie North Korean military and refuges.

Regime change, reuniting Korea as one sovereign nation and American troops can finally come home after 72 years being in South Korea and that's what China would like to see...no more large presence of the U.S. military in the region.

I remember when we use to have 200,000 American soldiers and airmen in South Korea during the 50's and 60's.

Anyone who ever served in the U.S. Army from the early 50's to 1973 either served in Germany, South Korea or Vietnam.

 

The Chinese and Russians have turned up to the border with AA systems.
The only gear we've seen that they brought with them is stuff to kill yank planes.

The primary suppliers of NK's AA defences have turned up on the border with a butt load of AA defences.
I'd say it's not rocket science. But technically it is rocket science.

America sends more planes, Russia and China respond by sending more plane killing missiles.
2+2= ?

 

It is, and I suspect the increased naval activity in the region is ultimately intended to disrupt Chinese expansionism. Fat Boy's recklessness has conveniently provided Trump with both the excuse and the cover to start working on that task, and his masters in Beijing must be furious with his bumbling ineptitude.

It's amazing how expendable Kim is making himself...

 

What's this news story, those Navy ships are actually retreating into the Indian Ocean for "exercises. Far away from Korea. Does Trump have to be truthless all the time?
http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/18/politics/carl-vinson-korea-trump/index.html

 

Agreed, china wants/needs markets to sell to - it is a manufacturer now and without markets its plants will idle, workers laid off who will agitate against the regime, etc., but a democratic, prosperous north korea is a 20-million-strong market right on its doorstep. That is worth TEN TIMES the value of a lukewarm philosophical "ally" who is about to start a massive regional war with 3 of china biggest markets, including its biggest.

 

More like japan, s korea, germany, belgium, france, england, and a lot of other countries around the world. Blame iran for screwing up iraq and syria.

 

I'm just not seeing it. The USS Carl Vinson is currently in the Indian Ocean playing games with the Australian Navy and will take about a month to return to the coast of Korea.

 

I agree with your assessment of North Korean propaganda; however, they are aware of certain historical facts most in the US are not.

"DECEMBER 31, 2002
A Pop Quiz on Korea

by GARY LEUPP


"6. In August 1945 defeated Japanese forces formally turned over authority in Korea to the broad-based Committee for the Preparation of Korean Independence, led by Lyuh Woon-hyung, which in September proclaimed the Korean People’s Republic (KPR). When U.S. forces under Gen. Reed Hodge arrived in Inchon to accept the Japanese surrender, they

"a. ordered all Japanese officials to remain in their posts, refused to recognize Lyuh as national leader, and soon banned all public reference to the KPR

"b. recognized Lyuh as the legitimate head of state

"c. negotiated with Lyuh to facilitate swift attainment of independence of a united Korea"

Lyuh Woon-hyung is rare among modern Korean politicians in that he is widely revered from one end of the peninsula to the other today. The Koreans were ready to "reunite" in 1945; it was a US general named Reed Hodge who prevented that from happening by occupying south Korea, an occupation that continues to this day.

 

Are they calling for regime change or NK denuclearization?
If the latter, the North Koreans would be suicidal to give up their nukes as long as the US continues its occupation of South Korea.

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-polit...-jong-un-donald-trump-japan-china-south-korea

"Although Tillerson insists that America’s policy remains a denuclearized North Korea, not regime change, dispatching a naval armada to the region suggests we’re inching closer and closer to a potential clash."

 

What a strange thread. Really says a lot about some of the people posting here.

America & the ROK aren't just going to up & attack the DPRK. I could maybe imagine it if the DPRK was clearly on he verge of an attack, but it would have to be crystal clear.

The ROK Army is very, very good. Well equipped, well trained & well motivated. It won't need a lot of ground support from the US. America's role will be primarily in the air. The DPRK has a big military on paper, but it is a joke. Saddam circa 1991 was WAY better equipped then than the current DPRK military & his troops were experienced. Most of its gear was out of date when it was new, and was crap before most of us were born. The DPRK will barely be able to move its troops. The biggest threat is the tube & rocket artillery aimed at Seoul. This could do immense damage. That area will be blanketed with air power from minute one. The best the DPRK will be able to do is defend fixed positions.

Oh, and its almost quaint to find a person who views the democratic economic powerhouse that is the ROK as an 'occupied' nation. Proof that alternate universes really do exist.

 

Lol ... seriously? What makes you so convinced about?

Sure ... but you understand that the people in NK have another point of view on this as you ... also due out of lacking knowledge about things which you and I and all others know?

Man, wake up! These are fanatic fighters who will die for their leader and who are convinced to do the right and that the West is lying only!
No one here denies that Kim and his clan are bastards, but his people don't believe they are bastards! And they are well equipped too and it is no Iraq 3.0 version war here!

 

When did USA invaded Belgium, France or England and forcefully democritized their governments?

 

What is it about that which you don't believe?

 

How do you work that out?

 

It isn't close to enough.http://www.globalfirepower.com/country-military-strength-detail.asp?country_id=north-korea

 

Yeah ... we have enough examples of US policies which disproof your words, eh?

No one denies that the SK Forces are well trained and good equipped, but if you really think that is enough, then you are living in a fairy tale world!

Are you serious or are you kidding here?
If it was serious, then I can only laugh about this nonsense which is disproved by so many facts, incredible!
Aside all the equipment and training issue of troops ... look on the topography of Iraq and of the topography of NK ... seeing any difference there?
And yes, this difference is very important!

Next nonsense ... pure facts:

Active forces (without reserves):
SK has 630,000 soldiers .... NK has 1.300.000 soldiers!

Tanks:
SK has:
- 1,511 MBT of type K1 Type 88 which is a mix of the US M1A1 and the German Leopard 2
- 206 K2 "Black Panther" MBT ... which is an own development armed with the German 120mm gun which also the M1A1 has
- 800 M48 tanks with 105mm gun
- 35 T-80U tanks from Russia

NK has:
- 3,600 T-54 and T-55 tanks
- 1,000 MBT of type Ch'ŏnma-ho ... which is a modified version of the T-62
- 500 T-72S tanks

Artillery:
SK has:
- 300+ K-9 ... an own development based on the M109 self propelled howitzer
- 1,040 K-55 ... only another name for the pure American M109 self propelled howitzer
- 156 K-136 ... which is a 105mm Multiple Rocket launcher of Russian style packed on an American M-54 5ton truck
- 90 MLRS

NK has ... aside the ballistic missile stuff:
- 4,200 self propelled howitzers
- 10,000 towed artillery pieces
- 8,000 multiple rocket launchers

In matter of Air Defense is SK by far an underdog but OK, the NK Air Force is no real threat in comparison to the US Air Power of course. But the NK Air Defense is huge as their Artillery and I'm not talking about the masses of Anti Air guns, but missile systems!

Of course you or some others will now tell that all this NK stuff is not serviceable and so on... sure! Which evidence for this is given?
And is all the SK stuff serviceable too?

But also important is that this stuff is not fighting is desert area where they are playing siting duck as target for US jets!

Occupied nation is of course BS ...

 

They are saying next week. Which is good it gives the Chinese time to show they can handle lil Kim.

 

Japan and S Korea are calling for denuclearization, and or lil Kim to quit lobbing missiles their way.

 

You forgot to look up S Korea and Japan.

 

I understand they lied about the first one being on the way.
Trump is amazingly stupid, causing all that tension and potentially starting a war because of a lie.
Just in case you're unaware, the carrier group is just off Indonesia at the moment, ans that isn't between Singapore and North Korea.
It was streaming the wrong way, making them stupid or Trump a liar.

 

England? Never.

Belgium and France? Last time was 1944, but not the first.
It should be noted that the French democracy modelled itself on the American one. That their shining beacon lead the way to the French Revolution. You didn't think the French modelled themselves on the English parliament did you?
It was America.

 

When the US stops lobbing missiles in the direction of North Korea and removes its occupation forces from South Korea, Kim will have a good reason to reverse course after 72 years of US state sponsored terror directed against his country.

"Route of the ICBM to be fired on World Peace Day

"The Marshall Islands are the same islands that the United States blew up in the 1950s and 1960s in the nuclear and hydrogen bomb tests from which Marshall Islanders are still suffering from radiation sickness and unable to return to the radioactive islands.

"The expansion of the US missile 'defense' system is causing dangerous repercussions around the world, making hotspots even hotter-from China and North Korea to Turkey, Israel and Iran"
http://warisacrime.org/content/us-l...ce-day-exposes-escalation-us-offensive-missil