Poll: French leave EU

Discussion in 'Western Europe' started by Ole Ole, Mar 24, 2017.

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France leave and Germany become big power EU ?

Poll closed Apr 8, 2017.
  1. Yes

    6 vote(s)
    42.9%
  2. No

    8 vote(s)
    57.1%
  1. LafayetteBis

    LafayetteBis Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Le Pen hasn't a chance in hell.

    Do you read the election surveys? She wins second-place in the first round, then is soundly beaten in the second and final round.

    Just like her father did twice years ago ...
     
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    Then start handing out "I <3 Communism" shirts.
     
  3. LafayetteBis

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    Look, we could be the best of friends over a glass of beer eyeing the French ladies as they pass by on the Champs Elysées.

    But this is a debate-forum. We are just arguing points-of-view, and I find yours a bit naive.

    Don't get bent-out-of-shape over it. It means nothing.

    Just words on the internet ether ...
     
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  4. vman12

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    Right. How much income tax is now not being generated? That's a hell of a lot more than some property taxes and sales tax on a home.

    Funny, I remember hearing the same thing in the US.
     
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    Well, then debate, engage the arguments presented, not the ones you THINK might be presented elsewhere. This is a debate forum, it's for debating, yet you won't actually debate, but rather dismiss whatever you disagree with some meaningless phrase.
     
  6. Montegriffo

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    You accuse others of being naive and not understanding French politics yet you right Marine Le Pen off because her father lost before her. She is a much shrewder operator than her Father and has more appeal to the French voters. Don't forget she threw Daddy out of the party for being too extreme. She has at least twice the support he had.
    I hope to God she doesn't get in power but write her off at your own risk. It would only take another large scale Islamic terrorist act to get voters angry enough to vote her in.
    People said Brexit wasn't going to win and said the same about Trump. France is not immune from populist rhetoric either.
     
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  7. The Rhetoric of Life

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    Since when did France call a referendum anyway?

    People running for power promising one if they reach power isn't the same.
     
  8. LafayetteBis

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    Perhaps you'd prefer that I say nothing except "Moving right along" to your remarks that go nowhere?

    Fine - moving right along ...
     
  9. LafayetteBis

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    Yes, because she is preaching the same invective as her father did. (She kicked him out of party-leadership to take his post.)

    The latest poll has her down another 1.5% as the voting day approaches (Sunday) and at 20%. (No, I give no great credibility to polls in primary votes - look what they did for Hillary.)

    LePen might do exactly like she did in the past - make into the first round, then fail miserably in the second. In fact, the top four are all around 20% so she might not even make it out of the first-round.

    With any luck! Because then the election would be a real toss-up between "real candidates". (LePen has nothing to say except invective against the standing order - she has no feasible solution whatsoever for the future. Just like most of the fanatical Right in this world.)

    We shall see on Sunday ... and I could care less. There is not one candidate who understands what's wrong with France, and it is its inability to pursue a "real economic policy". The economy started coming apart at the seams in 2000 with a reduction in weekly hours to 35. Now it is struggling to allow shops to reopen on Sunday afternoon in major tourist cities (and only in certain sectors) - which just shows how inept France is at managing its own economy.

    It vaunts its industrial strength but its mainstay revenues are in Tourism. Germany is crying for workers and France has unemployment at 10% - which sums up the situation neatly ...
     
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    28 with France and Scotland or 27 with France or UK or then 26 in EU with nobody of France and UK.
     
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  11. LafayetteBis

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    Some people MUST HAVE the last word. You've had yours.

    Do you feel better now ... ?
     
  12. LafayetteBis

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    I count nine since the 1960. See here: Les référendums de la Ve République et leurs résultats, le 8 02 2017


    When's the last time you saw a national referendum in the US?

    Nevah! Because the US has them ONLY on a local and state level ...

    Great democracy we've got going - NO NATIONAL REFERENDUMS and an Electoral College that steals presidencies from the winner of the Popular Vote . . . . . . . .
     
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    No, she was already party leader when she expelled him. He merely held the honorary title of president for life. She booted him out for his overt racism which was damaging the party.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-front-party-expels-founder-jean-marie-le-pen
     
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    The ''so what'' is that if you dismiss her as merely another racist like her father you are vastly underestimating her popularity, much like Trump or the Brexit supporters were and we all know what happened there.....
     
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    I could say UK are the best between them and France.
     
  17. LafayetteBis

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    Her popularity stands at 20% amongst French voters.

    I doubt seriously that I am "misinterpreting" anything about her ...
     
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    The French referendum on the Treaty establishing a Constitution for Europe was held on 29 May 2005 to decide whether France should ratify the proposed Constitution of the European Union. The result was a victory for the "No" campaign, with 55% of voters rejecting the treaty on a turnout of 69%.

    Netherlands had one too. Same sort of result.
     
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    If French workers are able and willing to work for the same peanuts other migrants do, they can go to Germany and compete for the same jobs. They always could.
    They won't though
     
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    This one was particulary dramatic because ignored.
     
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    It's what makes me laugh when the empty vessels/enemy inside liberals are waving their 'Migrants are welcome here' banners - they're essentially condemning those very migrants to a miserable life of working for slave wages by exploitative employers. But then liberals never can predict the downside of their actions. :roll: :wall:
     
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    Mass poverty immigration is something bad. They don't leave their country because they're willing to integrate into a new country, only to flee the misery, that kind of motivation is poor.
     
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    It wasn't ignored here.
    We were about to get our own referendum until then.

    When they suddenly realised they wouldn't win one, it was cancelled.
     
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    Where do you live ?
     
  25. LafayetteBis

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    Quite right, and ignored due to "political gaming".

    Obama had spiked runaway unemployment in 2011 at a whopping 10% (with his stimulus-spending ARRA-bill). But, more spending was necessary to bring it down. Since the Replicants controlled the HofR (from which all stimulus spending issues) they started eyeing his defeat in the 2012 election, thus they refused any further stimulus-spending. (Remember the Replicant BS about "Austerity Spending"? I do, see the commotion caused here or here.)

    The consequence was that job-creation stagnated for four long, long years (2010 to 2014) as shown in the Bureau of Labor Statistics infographic here. It was NOT FAULT OF OBAMA, get it?

    It was the fault of Replicant obstinacy in NOT VOTING budget stimulus-spending to put Americans back to work. Period!
     

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