Chicago 2017: Homicide, Gun Control, LEO Gone Fetal And The DOJ

How ****ing stupid do you think other people are? It's obvious that the woman DID have the training. Do you have anything besides idiocy to post on this board? Even if I shoot your theory down with more research, you have no intention of admitting it because YOU ARE FOR GUN CONTROL.

 

There we go. The anger. We always get there. Please show me proof of her training and what it was. I'll wait. Lol

 

Besides the usual left wing swill, you have stooped to posting LIES?

Switzerland has spent most of its existence with pro - gun laws that are much like ours with a lower crime rate than any nation you've cited.

Are you that insecure and think that others are so stupid that we can be swayed to believe that you make a nation safe by assaulting the PUBLIC LIBERTIES?

Every so - called "fact" you've provided has proven to be absolute B.S. with NO basis in fact. You look at other countries and conclude they have gun control, but not as much violence as the U.S. without any consideration for mitigating factors.

For example, in some countries they will chop off your hand for stealing. YOU mentioned Japan. Aside from the fact that they fudge some of their figures, their culture is much different than ours... most of their residents are the one and same people. We have HUNDREDS of religions, races, political persuasions, etc. but you don't factor that in.

All you're proving is that gun control is for simple minded people with no critical thinking skills... AND while I have entertained your nonsense, only to be offended by your accusation (and I did not get personal with you until you drew first blood), you have proven that you will not consider ANY solution that does not include gun control... and you have the unmitigated gall to say I'm paranoid. Your bigotry does not make anyone paranoid.

 

You said I am stupid. You refuse to accept any situation that does not include some gun control. And that is ridiculous

 

Yes sir. I can disprove you once again. Nancy Lanza took courses from the National Rifle Association; she was active in a prepper group whose requirements are more comprehensive than the NRA or those required to graduate Basic training in the military.

http://www.sfgate.com/technology/bu...n-NRA-Certificate-In-Adam-Lanza-s-5097047.php

You're running out of B.S. so at what point do you admit that this case failed your expectations to prevail? You want to attack me again and pretend that this was about a legitimate discussion when it's been about you trying to piss people off with B.S. just to have us chase the net to disprove your easily discredited propositions that you dishonestly refer to as fact?

 

No that is not ridiculous. I have suffered your examples and have not found where your "solutions" could resolve a damn thing. OTOH, you dismiss any discussion of how to address the issue WITHOUT gun control and then YOU start the negative posting.

To use a pun. You came here with either an empty gun or you brought a knife to a gun fight and now you don't know what to do next except try to piss people off in some vain effort to prove you're somehow right. Now that IS ridiculous.

 

Such anger. Why can you not engage in civil debate? Want to call me simple minded and stupid again? Holy cow. She passes the course THE LAW says she passes. And we sure will not put the NRA in charge of that. Now....just insult me personally again and move on

 

Gun violence is a complex problem. To say gun control can be absolutely no part of the solution is simply laughable.

 

Anger? What hypocrisy! YOU were the one bitching about:

you must have a mental defect
you just hate guns
you just want to ban all guns
you are an idiot

YOU go negative, implying that I have a mental defect by calling me paranoid - the very thing you bitched about simply because YOU could not state a case for gun control. Adding insult to injury, you didn't have the integrity to admit that your "solutions" were not calculated so as prevent the massacres you cited. Then you lacked the ethical fortitude to ask what someone else might have done instead of gun control to prevent the massacre.

You are the person that brought insults to the table. And, for your information, sir, since 1903 the National Rifle Association has sponsored government approved training - so stuff it.

The bottom line is that you wanted to use the misfortune of the death of those children and you couldn't bring one, single solitary possible solution to the table that would have prevented it. You don't give a flying sh!+ about the lives of those children nor any other person. The things you wanted people to accuse you of have been proven in this thread because what you don't like to be called is true. Otherwise, you would not have picked the fight, blamed me and then not had the common decency to ask me what I would have done to have prevented Sandy Hook.

You think others are idiots for not bowing to your anti - gun vitriol. You're laughable and you want to end this discussion... consider it done. No need for any smart a** commentary unless you got some ammo to back it up with.

 

Read the thread. You implied I was stupid and simple minded first. Now you tell me to stuff it. This is not a fight. It's a debate. And it could be a civil one but you are so hostile because I will not just roll over and accept your faulty arguments. I don't accept them. I also don't want to insult you. But you are wrong and I will call you on it every time. Gun control has to be part of the solution. You are free to disagree....but you would be wrong

 

Well, after all those posts, we got to see yet another anti-gunner and their non-existent arguments go up in flames.

That does not mean that I feel like allowing my fellow gun rights brethren off the hook. If we acted proactively and put forth some real solutions to the perceived problem, the left might be forced to consider them.

The pro-gun forces have fought a defensive battle for decades and it's been a losing proposition. Just yesterday Donald Trump was in Atlanta comparing himself to Ronald Reagan. Really? Reagan was the guy who outlawed a complete class of weapons without being able to cite a single instance where those weapons were ever used in a crime!

As much, if not more, gun legislation is passed under Republican presidents than Democrats. It's time that the gun lobby figures it out: Everything that glitters (including Trump's orange hair) is not gold. We have to pioneer real solutions and put the left on the defensive. If you did that, the left would not have anything to battle with. IF they accept solutions that do not include gun control and the statistics do go down, they lose their silly arguments.

So, we've got to get past this mindset of locking people up and throwing away the key. That is NO solution. I'm tired of posting those solutions and people pretending to be bored and falling asleep simply because nobody in the MSM acknowledges the obvious solutions.

Vegal giants got the David treatment... and now that job is finished, we have to move forward and present solutions that will put the anti-gunners out of business once and for all.

 

You are free to present any solutions you wish. Gun control will be part of the solution. It is now and some more will be needed. This forum is the gun control forum......for a reason.

 

You still haven't defined requirements of a training course. Training could be as simple as showing which end of a gun a bullet exits. What is your idea of a training plan?

 

No matter what criteria you bring to the table, that guy is going to argue against good common sense.

Since 1903 the Dept. of Civilian Marksmanship has trained shooters via NRA affiliated clubs. The military has sold millions of military rifles to this market and it is the standard by which competent shooters have been trained for over a hundred years.

Even that wasn't enough for the weak argument being made in favor of gun control.

I did notice that I was wrong about one thing. This forum is a discussion about gun control. It's not about saving lives which is simply a passing pretext the left hides behind in order to foist their liberal gun hating silliness onto a gullible public. That is why we will not discuss real solutions on this thread. It appears to me that the left is content to have us chasing our tails, proving their position is unconstitutional idiocy parading around as something it isn't.

An old proverb: Never argue with an idiot. They will only drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

 

Your responses are moronic at best, intentional provocation at worst. You are basically responding dishonestly just to troll responses. You should be banned.

 

Yes I will not back down which I am sure drives you crazy. Why should I when I am right? On this forum I will continue to discuss gun control as a way to reduce gun violence. You are free to participate or leave. Its as simple as that

 

Drives us crazy. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Most people aren't driven crazy by ill informed or dishonest responses such as yours. We just laugh, post honest responses in turn and await another thrilling chapter in the losing comments from the BM. You are free to leave, it is as simple as that!!!

 

You are right. The gun banners are not honest and, in most cases I would have laughed. That sick, perverted individual thought, however, it was a joke to use the lost lives of children to advocate for a position that did not work, could not have worked and did not address the causes of why those children died.

When people are trying to sell you a pig in a poke at the cost of the lives of children, it wasn't funny. It was sickening. It made me mad that the guy didn't give two hoots in Hell about the loss of life IF he thought he could win people over to his gun control POV. It didn't work. AND the guy discredited himself by not considering other avenues whereby we might be working toward preventing a Sandy Hook before it takes place.

Fortunately, most of the B.S. the anti - gunners advocate is unconstitutional on its face. During the Trump administration, we pray that none of it gets signed into law. If I were a liberal, I might be open to listening to other avenues to saving lives, bide my time and wait for a liberal to occupy the White House. But, as I keep saying: this has never been about saving lives; it is about control. Gun control advocates hate people in general and that is sad. Their desperate attempts to sell you a sh!+ sandwich under the guise of saving lives is a sick joke.

 

Gun control is and always be part of the solution to gun violence. That is why we talk about it on this gun control forum

 

It's not a solution and you do not have any credibility. "We" little man? Do you have a mouse in your pocket?

Gun control is about control. The only solution gun control is a part of is the end of Freedom and Liberty.

"On every question of construction carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates and instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text or invented against it, conform to the probable one in which it was passed" Thomas Jefferson - June 12, 1823


"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined" (Patrick Henry, 3 J. Elliot, Debates in the Several State Conventions 45, 2d ed. Philadelphia, 1836)

 

This is a gun control forum. We discuss gun control. And we will continue to do so.

 

I appreciate the little man reference. Insults mean I won

 

You are full of sh!+. You lost your little "debate" long before that. You lost when YOU went personal. Let me explain something to you:

My saying that a position that unnamed people may take is not smart is not a personal attack like you calling me paranoid for no reason. You lost way back then and then kept pushing for a negative response.

It's obvious that you have a personal, emotional issue. It has NOTHING to do with saving lives. It has to do with control. You're here to piss me off and try to get people to say things that would get them banned. That's how you think you "win." The gun control argument you made didn't go anywhere. It's not about the issue, sir. It's about you wanting to be in control and you simply don't pack the gear. Nobody is buying your B.S.

 

That's just it, it is not a solution being proposed and little man has no credibility because of his fallacious responses. It's gotta drive them nuts that the train is moving in a rapid pace in the opposite direction, eh?

 

When you win....the train will have moved in the opposite direction....however at this point and time your comments and opinions are on the losing side, that's gotta sting, eh?