UNESCO Passes Resolution Critical of Israeli Conduct in Jerusalem and Gaza

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  1. Gilos

    Gilos Well-Known Member

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    BS, you yourself criticized Abu Mazen many times, you support Hamas but not the PLO, correct me if I'm wrong.
     
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    Peace offers? I note that your little bit of propaganda doesn't mention Israel's onerous pre-conditions to peace talks, most of which any self-respecting nation could not possibly agree to-notably the serial refusal to freeze settlement expansion which is fundamental to making any progress at all; on the contrary, Netanyahu announced an acceleration of settlement building. That's how much he wants peace talks to succeed. Try again.
    http://hamodia.com/2017/04/05/palestinians-not-backing-preconditions-peace-talks/
     
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    I did read about that option and thought about it for a long time, it's complicated but I wont reject it, however we cannot start from there, we need seperation in order to be somewhat unified, look, both sides bled their asses for a 100 years, the national ego is so strong it must be maintained thru the seperation, we could arrange a union thru economy at first and from the money trail also real-estate rights , but borders of seperate countries need to be agreed at first and its veru very complicated when both sides kind of defined their existance to fight the other side, but It's a nice idea, objectivly probebly the best one.
     
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    If you go back 500 years why not make it a 1000 years or 1500 years ?
     
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    There was no European zionism when a handful of Spanish Jews moved to Hebron in 1500. There was likewise NO conflict..
     
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    Isn't that exactly what Jews are doing? Y'know, 'god' gave us this land, 2000 years ago, but the fact that hardly any Jews lived there during that period is irrelevant, we're taking it all anyway?
     
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    Try again? Sure. I note that YOUR little bit of propaganda does not mention that Palestinians also never came to the negotiating table without preconditions.

    So, the sides are even.

    Off traveling for the next few days... see yea at the airports and at 37,000 feet :)
     
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    I didn't post a dumb piece of propaganda. I don't need to; clearly Israel does, hence the paid hasbara shills, desperately trying to paint nuclear-armed Israel as a defenceless victim. Besides, Palestinian demands-including the need for a standing army-are mostly perfectly reasonable. Why should they not be allowed a means of self-defense while their neighbour with the region's most powerful military, is?
     
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    No, of course not, you still live in the 7th.
     
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    I see two victims of a racist occupation in Palestine in your example...

    http://ifamericaknew.org/stat/children.html

    "The Impact of the Conflict on Children

    2,154 Palestinian children and 134 Israeli children
    have been killed since September 29, 2000."

    If Jews loved their children, they wouldn't steal the land and water of their neighbors.
     
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    Certain segments of the American populace don't want to know; it's much, much easier to rely on Fox news, Infowars and Breitbart to have their prejudices reinforced.
     
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    https://www.ochaopt.org/documents/opt_prot_aic_hebron_dec_2004.pdf

    "The city of Hebron, which is of great religious significance to both Muslims and Jews, has been under Israeli occupation since June 1967. Israel’s first settlement in the West Bank, Kiryat Arba’, was established adjacent to the municipal boundaries of Hebron, and the city soon saw frequent confrontations between the Israeli settlers and its Palestinian inhabitants.

    "This study argues that Israel’s settlement policy, which supports the presence of radical Jewish fundamentalists with a strong anti-Arab ideology in the middle of a Palestinian city, is the proximate reason for the high level of violence in Hebron"

    Israel forcibly injects some of the most racist Jews on the planet into the heart of illegally Occupied Territories and you're confused about who's responsible for today's violence?

    Victims of occupation have a moral and legal right to resist.

    Jews have no moral or legal right to inflict an occupation.
     
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    There was no Zionism when the Romans destroyed Jerusalem either, so ?
     
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    The Israelis take NO responsibility for the crap of the past 60 years.
     
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    My generation of Americans was born immediately after the horrors of the Holocaust became known world-wide. We never thought to doubt the moral legitimacy of Israel. 1967 was a wake-up call most of my peers slept through, possibly because of suppression of relevant information like the deliberate IDF attack on the USS Liberty. Over the past half-century, US arms makers have turned the Jewish state into a cash cow and weapon's laboratory while the US corporate press demonized the victims of Israel's occupation. Like so many other issues, a free Internet has opened many eyes to what is actually happening in Palestine. Perhaps BDS will end the occupation once and for all?
     
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    BDS? I would like to think so, but I'm not optimistic. Speaking of the USS Liberty, have you seen 'Dead in the Water'? Just over an hour long, but should be required viewing for all pro-Israelis:

    "If it was an accident it was the best planned accident I have ever heard of".
     
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    Well we are not insects with one collective awarness so no it's not "what the Jews are doing" , there are the religious nationals that do, some even spoke to God in person, and there are seculars they judge it from security perspective, so happens that for now we both dont see a way to peace, all I see is relentless war on diplomatic and militay fields, I wont shake hands with BDS narrative which is basiclly a Palestinian ministry and certainly not with the terrorists who also communicate with God, so why should I stop ppl with a direct line to the divine ? Game of Thrones will start shortly my hands are full.
     
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    You mean like Gaza?
    [​IMG]
    "Some Palestinian teenagers train in the devastated area as a personal initiative to develop their skills at Parkour, a sport focused on overcoming obstacles."
    http://www.newsweek.com/photos-gaza-parkour-ruins-war-275058
     
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    Right.. a three hour long accident followed by shooting the life rafts.
     
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    I question your first statement, as well as your second one. In my opinion, desperate are not Israel and its supporters.
     
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    Aren't you supposed to be at an airport somewhere? What other country can you think of which feels the need to pay students for propaganda purposes, and provides a book of instructions on how to do so?
    http://www.middle-east-info.org/take/wujshasbara.pdf
     
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    What compensation can be discussed if not throu negoatiation and a lasting agreement ? the idea of compensation itself must come with an accepted responsibility of the Arab side thou, on basis of Palestinian civilian casulties of war - not that the evil Zionist started the war and just grabed what they could by rejecting peace - that is the official Pal narrative if Im not mistaken, they wont get a cent that way.
     
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    I am, my friend, sitting in SLC waiting for my next ride.

    As for your link, every country in the world promotes (propagandizes) itself for one reason or another. What's the BFD?
     
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    It's like this - shoot no rockets, invite no retaliation strikes, and have no devastated areas. Simple, really.
     
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    No, it's actually like this; quit stealing land, and there will be no need for Palestine's legitimate resistance to Israel's belligerent occupation. Simple, really.
     
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