The chilling resemblance between ISIS indoctrination and Eddie Eagle

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  1. Galileo

    Galileo Well-Known Member

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    “One could add that totalitarian regimes seem to have an intuitive awareness that it becomes hard for people to change after a certain age, which is why so much effort is made to indoctrinate the young from an early age.”
    (from The Brain That Changes Itself)

    That's why ISIS recruits and trains young children.

    “A would-be child suicide bomber who was ordered to attack a sports stadium in Iraq has told of how he was trained to kill at a specialist Isis camp for child jihadis....

    “They are very vulnerable it is much easier to turn a child into a suicide bomber than a grown up.
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...m-iraq-kirkuk-victim-speaks-out-a7482441.html

    And that's why the NRA uses the Eddie Eagle program to target young children and turn them into the next generation of gun consumers. The NRA touts this "educational" program under a facade of promoting child safety, but research by public health experts indicates the program is ineffective.

    “Yet as VPC research has documented, the primary goal of the Eddie Eagle program is not to safeguard children, but to protect the financial and political interests of the NRA and the firearms industry.

    “The Eddie Eagle program makes firearms more palatable to children and youth, helping to recruit them into America’s gun culture. It employs strategies similar to those used by the tobacco industry — from youth 'educational' programs that are in fact marketing tools, to appealing cartoon characters that put a friendly face on a hazardous product.”
    http://www.vpc.org/investigating-the-gun-lobby/eddie-eagle/

    The NRA, like ISIS, realizes that it is much easier to influence and brainwash people while they are young. They know that once a child is indoctrinated in pro-gun ideology it will be much harder for the child to change their point view as they grow older. Thus, the gun industry will have more customers and the NRA will have more check writing members.
     
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    More unsupportable nonsense from the master of.
     
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    The VPC says...
    For every gun used to commit suicide, 3 are used in self-defense
    For every gun used to commit murder, 8 are used in self defense
    Conclusion: We need more gun control!
     
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    We certainly do
     
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    An Taibhse Well-Known Member

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    No doubt you support zero tolerance at schools where small children emulating gun with food are traumatized and treated as if they are criminals, eh? Let's not teach children gun safety, martial arts for self defense, of their Constitutional rights when they transition to adults, and sanction anything counter to sheeple conformity.... and advocate hiding in gun free zones and safe spaces. Brainwashing? Or, just plain hipocracy.
     
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    You just destroyed any credibility you have or have ever had or might ever have had with posting this nonsense. Forget citing the Violence Policy Center, which is an utterly discredited extremist hack organization; comparing the NRA to ISIS is defamatory, slanderous, and the act of someone who has thrown intellectual integrity right out the window.

    What "pro-gun ideology"?? Eddie Eagle is about "Stop! Don't Touch! Leave the area! Tell an adult!" It's about an easy to remember idea for children to help them to be safer!

    In the end, all the gun controllers do is demand bans on guns. It's the NRA and its affiliates that have done more to develop proper safety programs than all gun control groups COMBINED.
     
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    No one who disagrees with you ever seems to have any credibility in your eyes. How convenient. Are you going to apologize to Kellermann for your defamatory posts?

    The NRA supports lax gun control. How many Americans die due to lax gun control each year? How many are killed by ISIS? Which organization has done more damage to America?
    "More Americans Have Been Shot to Death in the Last 25 Years Than Have Died in Every War"
    http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2015/09/gun-violence-deaths-exceed-military-fatalities-us-wars


    They've developed programs which are ineffective at teaching gun safety but serve their hidden agenda.

    "Two separate studies of Eddie Eagle, both published by Pediatrics in 2004, found that the program is ineffective at teaching children how to safely respond to an unsupervised firearm in a real-life situation."
    https://www.thetrace.org/2016/04/nra-eddie-eagle-child-gun-safety-program-ineffective/
     
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    "The results show that children with BST training were the most likely to avoid touching firearms, while those with no training fared the worst. The group of children who had received five sessions of Eddie Eagle scored slightly better than those without, but still fared poorly at gun safety."

    So, better than no training, and certainly not a substitute for proper firearms safety. What would results would it take for the training to be considered "effective"?
     
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    First the claim was that the Eddie Eagle program bore a chilling resemblance to the indoctrination of North Korea to worship the dictator Kim Jong Un. Now the claim has moved from Kim Jong Un to ISIS?

    That is because you have yet to establish a position of your own. Instead you merely post what fits a general narrative, but absolutely none of it is your own original material. You merely repeat what others have said before you.

    Arthur Kellerman was discredited long ago. That is why he has never brought civil suits against anyone who holds his data is false, as it would be necessary to prove in a court of law that his analysis is correct. If he were to ever lose a single civil suit that he himself brought, it would acknowledge that his data is false.

    Except you cannot demonstrate anywhere, where the NRA has come out in direct support of those who are committing murders.

    And yet for all of the claiming that the program is ineffective, absolutely no one has even bothered to come up with a proposal for a different program on the matter. If one is not going to suggest alternatives, there is no sense in them complaining about what already exists.
     
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    What evidence you have that Eddie Eagle promotes gun consumerism? Even if they were, what's wrong with it?
     
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    Arthur Kellermann is a hack and a liar.... but I never compared him to a terrorist group.

    Yeah, Mother Jones.... another lying partisan rag.

    How many Americans die due to "lax gun control"?? None. How many Americans die due to being disarmed by draconian gun laws?? Too damned many.[/QUOTE]
     
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    The Vile Propaganda Center is a well known disinformation site that constantly lies. Its an enemy of the American people and our constitutional rights
     
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    yet it doesn't decrease our freedom. Bannerrhoid laws do and are even less effective in preventing violent crime. Indeed, Bannerrhoid laws are designed to HELP violent criminals
     
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    Arthur Kellermann is a lying pig and I would say it to his face
     
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    Says the group fighting to turn 8 year old boys into 8 year old girls.

    Yeah, "Stop", "Don't Touch" and "Tell an Adult" will lead to terrorism.

    How many NRA members have committed a terror attack again?
     
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    This is the biggest bunch of BS I have ever heard.
    The Eddie Eagle program has been around much longer than ISIS.
    These kids do not participate on their own. Parents send their kids to these programs and Its responsible parenting to educate your children if you have a firearm in your home.
    It is parents that pass their passion and enjoyment of legal use of firearms onto their children, not the NRA.
    Why do you continue to buy into articles that are written for purely political purposes rather than factual basis?
     
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    Some of us never went through Eddie Eagle but were taught from a young age by older members of our families...something many families don't do as much as they used to do...thus Eddie Eagle has fulfilled a need that once didn't exist. I am a proponent for making gun safety a required education requirement. When I was in college I took a course in firearm safety and marksmanship, ultimately then joining a team... something I suspect is no longer done. Too bad that, IMO.
     
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    Find a reputable source of data, not the VPC.

    I guess you're unhappy that accidental gun deaths by children are extremely low.
     
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    More so than the comparison between the Eddie Eagle program, and the indoctrination of children of North Korea to worship dictator Kim Jong Un?
     
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    If you want to talk about brainwashing (and brain damage) you only need to examine the Democratic Party.
     
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    Yep, the mind eating Trump hate syndrome virus is churning out brain eating zombies at an increasing rate...seems to mostly infect Dems and leftist media types resulting in more mindless violence. Good thing I figure most of them echew guns. Stay tuned, new reality TV show coming.
     
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    First Kim Jong Un, and now ISIS. What will the next great evil be that the national rifle association will be compared to? Will we see this same article again, claiming that the Eddie the Eagle program bears a chilling resemblance to pedophiles grooming their victims for molestation purposes?
     
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    And their favorite weapon is the straw man.

    The Eddie Eagle program has always been a joke, a strict PR the NRA trots out to get free PR: never has the Eddie Eagle gone into a school that they were not dragging cameras with.

    It has NO impact on child safety at all, and children who were tested a half hour later were picking up guns.

    Only the NRA would put the onus on firearm safety on children under the age of six.

    Parents or guardians of children injured or killed because of unsafe storage of firearms should be arrested for involuntary manslaughter or another form of negligent homicide.

    Similarly, those of children who end up displaying firearms in public, especially in schools, with a felon which will relieve them of any notion of owning firearms again.;
     
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    Note that TOG 6 wrote "self-defense" and you wrote " justifiable killing ". The latter is a small subset of the former.

    Whether they want it or not doesn't make it enforceable or necessary.
     
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    The onus isn't on children - it's one small part of gun safety. I didn't have a gun in my room when I was six but I had two when I was twelve, mounted on the wall.

    They certainly can be in many states, yet are rarely prosecuted.

    "...these CAP laws are almost never enforced, in part because they are vague, and in part because prosecutors have no heart to punish parents who have already suffered unimaginable pain when their child killed another child, often their own."

    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_..._leave_loaded_weapons_lying_around_never.html

    We don't even prosecute actual violent felons or felons who try to buy guns.
     

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