Hypotheticals expose possibilities which are then subjected to scrutiny in attempt to advance said hypothesis into theory. As of yet these ideas are still hypothesis and may eventually gain the data required to meet this criteria. For now this is ancient aliens material vs. scientific journal but 20 years ago so was Viking habitation in North America. The map idea is a bit too far out there and cannot be shown as accurate regardless, which leads to conspiracy theory designation.
Are you satirizing there? Good god, man, that was the ONLY way people sailed for several millenia. We haven't had really usable maps for most of human civilization. Hell, we couldn't even determine LONGITUDE until the middle 1700's. The Polynesians colonized the Pacific in the last two millenia, did someone give THEM maps? That being said I agree that there were probably visitors to North Am from Ancient Times, (though the question of why didn't they bring their diseases is troubling). One source I've read compares North Am to a ghost, which flits in and out of the consciousness of the Old World for several thousand years. Caesar's Commentaries talks of ships which some Celtic Tribes had which were 200 feet long and the Romans themselves were said to have something called a Quinquireme which was supposedly comparable in size to a modern Aircraft Carrier (No, I don't believe that either). Ships this size can and do cross the Atlantic quite easily. Has there ever been a book(s) written on this alone? That is, on the history of the pre-discovery discoveries, and the legends that grew up around the Western Hemisphere before we knew it was here? I remember one called "Who Didn't Discover America?" Anybody know of any more?
Dear Derideo_Te DEAR Are YOU one of the Science Faithful or do you have first hand experience. I have a BSc in Biological Sciences and an M.D. and I have witnessed the perversions from the ideals. My brother did his PhD, Post Doc and Professor time studying Spinal Cord Regeneration. The last time we met, he said he sits on "Grant Committees" and always refuses "Spinal Cord Regeneration" Grants. Knowing my brother, I knew he figured if he couldn't do it, he would not accept anyone could. Thus my PhD brother retarded the Science of Spinal Cord Regeneration as best he could. Besides the biased; Science has become a religion to those without higher Science education. Imagine you are applying for a "Man Made Global Warming" grant. If you cannot express the conclusions you are seeking to prove regarding "Man Made Global Warming", No Grant For YOU! Science is a religion for the masses. Science is a "defend the gospel" for the entrenched. And When All Else Fails, Screw with the numbers such as Drug Safety studies or Environmental Impact Reports. The advantage for the "thinking" or those with higher Science education is to see through the manure. Most of them join the system and support their families and don't make wave although they know better. Who is worse? The No formal Science education, Science Faithful the "I Believe, I Believe, Science." Or those in Science who cowardly support the dogma without question. As my brother sponsored. Moi Old Fashioned Science person I was a physician 3 times, before. r > g View attachment 46550 They required an American to discover Insulin Across an immense, unguarded, ethereal border, Canadians, cool and unsympathetic, regard our America with envious eyes and slowly and surely draw their plans against us.
Dear Moi, Judging from what you have posted above you seem to inhabit a binary bubble where everything is either black or white. No offense intended, but that is how what you posted comes across to me. My answer to your post is none of the above. I was fortunate enough to have an eclectic education and it included subjects like biology, chemistry, physics, applied engineering mathematics, business principles, computer sciences and yes, religions too. Science is not a single edifice such as you are trying to portray. Instead it consists of multiple disciplines that explore all of the various aspects of our lives and the universe in which we find ourselves. Some are more advanced than others but all follow the same principles of science. Your anecdote about your sibling says volumes about him as a person and nothing whatsoever about the science itself. Yes, nerves can, and do, regenerate. How to successfully regenerate nerves in the spinal cord is obviously still a research exercise at this point in time. To obstruct said research is not the thinking of a genuine scientist irrespective of whatever qualifications they may hold. Yes, research fails more often than it succeeds but each failure is a learning experience. To deny the opportunity to learn is anti-science. No, science is not "a religion for the masses" because it lacks the elements of a religion. There is no deity, no congregations, no rituals, hymnals, supplications asking for an imaginary deity to provide enlightenment and/or wealth/health. Religion is based upon the fallacy of some imaginary deity and those who professed to have "intimate knowledge" of this imaginary deity used it as a means to control others. Science is knowledge. But unlike religion, scientific knowledge is not intended to empower the few to control others. Scientific knowledge empowers anyone and everyone who understands the principles of science. And yes, that includes the principle that science is self correcting. Those who practice science today have the benefit of the knowledge of those who have practiced it in the past. They not only have the opportunity to repeat those experiments for themselves but also to question them and find out more about them. Einstein was not infallible and yes, he knew that about himself. He was humble enough that he acknowledged the mistakes that he had made that he was aware of. Einstein was a genuine scientist. Science has revealed more wonders of the universe than all of the religions combined throughout the millennia. Yes, I am an atheist but I am what can be described as a "spiritual atheist". No, I don't believe in spirits, deities or any other imaginary entities. Instead I fully appreciate that there is a part of my brain that can achieve a "spiritual" state when I choose to do so. This state has been scientifically measured and it exists in other mammals besides just humans. It is a state of mind that has been co-opted by religions as "proof" of their deities even though nothing in that state of mind amounts to proof of anything other than being in that state. Science, and atheism for that matter, have been around for as long as we have recorded history. And over that period it is possible to observe how mistakes were made and subsequently rectified. We have also benefited greatly by scientific knowledge over this period. It has done more to improve the quality of life than any individual or religion. So I don't "believe" in science at all. I have a knowledge base, thanks to science, that enables me to understand the universe that I inhabit and provides me with the tools to communicate with others all across the planet. When you stop and think about it that is an awesome accomplishment and it was all done without the benefit of any deities or beliefs or dogma. Just the same basic scientific principles applied to everything. Regards DT
I Believe, I Believe And it's good enough for (other than) me. [video=youtube;f68TdgErXkE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f68TdgErXkE[/video] Not Moi Science as Science should not prescribe to any dogma. Even their own. Proof, Not Popular Vote, Proof should decide. Moi r > g
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/sahara-desert-used-be-lush-full-vegetation-researchers-find-clues-what-killed-it-1594564?utm_source=yahoo&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=rss&utm_content=/rss/yahoous/news&yptr=yahoo The Sahara Desert used to be lush and full of vegetation researchers find clues to what killed it The Sahara Desert was a vast, rich grassland with plenty of rainfall just 6,000 years ago. That's like 4,000 B.C. Then it suddenly turned into the bleak and arid desert it is today. This transition was due to a shift in the circulation in the tropical atmosphere, researchers say. . . . What they don't say is What Did PeopleKind did to promote the desertification of the Sahara? Over grazing. Gathering flammable material to melt copper? How can modern Science declare by neglect, the role of "us" for the creation of the Sahara desert. Moi I refuse to feel so insignificant not to take responsibility. r > g Across an immense, unguarded, ethereal border, Canadians, cool and unsympathetic, regard our America with envious eyes and slowly and surely draw their plans against us.
Please read above and the disregard for the Lush Green Sahara creating a desert. 4,000 B.C. Yet 1,000 years earlier, 5,000 BC, 7,000 years ago http://www.mnn.com/lifestyle/arts-culture/stories/worlds-first-polluted-river-flowed-through-jordan-7000-years-ago World's first polluted river flowed through Jordan 7,000 years ago Neolithic humans may have polluted the river while learning to smelt. Researchers have uncovered evidence of what might have been history's first polluted river, a now-dry riverbed in the Wadi Faynan region of southern Jordan that appears to have flowed with slag, a waste product from smelting. The site dates to a period known as the Chalcolithic, or Copper Age, a time of transition between the late Neolithic, or Stone Age, and the beginning of the Bronze Age. "These populations were experimenting with fire, experimenting with pottery and experimenting with copper ores, and all three of these components are part of the early production of copper metals from ores," explained Russell Adams from the Department of Anthropology at the University of Waterloo. "The technological innovation and the spread of the adoption and use of metals in society mark the beginning of the modern world." And thus PeopleKind likewise made a desert out of a lush, Sahara. Moi r > g View attachment 47011 Across an immense, unguarded, ethereal border, Canadians, cool and unsympathetic, regard our America with envious eyes and slowly and surely draw their plans against us.
Some truly brilliant minds are working on a less Atheistic version of Evolutionary Theory. http://www.politicalforum.com/opini...lligence-begin-matter-fundamental-energy.html Where did Intelligence begin, in matter or fundamental energy? ........ I just found out this morning that a published author is far far far far ahead of my rather simplistic understanding of this question. https://www.amazon.com/Biocosm-Scientific-Evolution-Intelligent-Architect/dp/1930722222 Biocosm: The New Scientific Theory of Evolution: Intelligent Life Is the Architect of the Universe ..... One of the forum's own Theoretical Physicist's made an insightful statement relevant to these ideas. http://www.politicalforum.com/creative-corner/444300-ruby.html Ruby. I personally like this story a lot.......... We humans tend to obsess over shiny objects far far far far far too much! http://www.politicalforum.com/religion-philosophy/431430-moral-god-punish-us-46.html Is it moral for God to punish us? ....(page 46)..... Quote Originally Posted by
Just when I thought I was safe from synchronistic attacks, comes https://www.yahoo.com/news/underwater-stone-age-fishermans-paradise-145600502.html Underwater Stone Age Site Was Fisherman's Paradise A now-submerged Stone Age settlement has been mapped in the Baltic Sea, revealing how its ancient inhabitants lived along what was once a lagoon on the coast of Sweden some 9,000 years ago. That's 7,000 B.C. folks. They mapped the surface of sites located about 65 feet (20 meters) below sea level, nearly 2 miles (3 kilometers) from the current shoreline. "These [fish trap] constructions, the oldest known in northern Europe, indicate extensive riverine and lagoonal fishing, previously not recorded during the Mesolithic in Sweden," the researchers wrote in their study, which was published online Aug. 30 in the journal Quaternary International. "Furthermore, bones and antlers of red deer with slaughter marks and a unique pick axe made of elk antler provide evidence of human exploitation of terrestrial resources." The discoveries indicate the existence of mass fishing by these early humans, and therefore a semipermanent settlement, Hansson added. There are more things in heaven and earth, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy / science. Moi r > g View attachment 47015 Across an immense, unguarded, ethereal border, Canadians, cool and unsympathetic, regard our America with envious eyes and slowly and surely draw their plans against us.
I have been a lackey (transcriptionist) of science (medicine) for half a century, at which point a new technology (voice recognition program) came along and I was summarily laid off. I always felt like a wage-slave. I seriously doubt any of the physicians for whom I transcribed ever examined the personnel files of their hospitals to ascertain just which among their flunkies were vastly overqualified for their pittance chore-shifts. William Blake (English Romantic Poet) warned us all against making a god out of science - but nobody listened. When technologies proliferate and they're discovered to be devastating to The People's environment, Business (the handmaiden of Science) cheerfully does all it can to keep the (highly profitable) technologies (carbon-based fuel, pesticides, fertilizers) - that are devastating down the stream of water, wind or time - in place. Science, now that it is in power, has proven to have no more heart than did religion when it was in control of the masses.
Uhhh, there is no copper anywhere near the Sahara Desert. And there was no wide spread animal husbandry at the time to overgraze. Plus, the Sahara has been a desert for over 7 million years. It periodically does go into a wet growth phase every hundred thousand years or so when the conditions are right, but quickly returns to desert and stays that way for tens of thousands of years again. And most of the wet periods tend to align with global ice ages. Yea. To bad the two are only over 1,300 km apart, and on completely different continents. Oh, and Jordan has copper deposits, the Sahara does not. I am thinking that maybe we need a junk science area.
Trade. Trade could move the copper ore from Jordan to the Sahara. And in the time of People, the Sahara was green, lush. Might you agree the Middle East suffered desertification via The Copper Age and over grazing? Where are the lions mentioned in the Bible? Gracias Moi r > g View attachment 47165 Atavism Happens Across an immense, unguarded, ethereal border, Canadians, cool and unsympathetic, regard our America with envious eyes and slowly and surely draw their plans against us.
What trade? What people? Please, give us some facts and not just your made up fantasies. I know, the Sahara was turned into a desert by the Queen of Mars when she prepared it for colonization. Makes as much sense as what you are saying.
No No!! It was the Queens DAUGHTER Princess Viola the Great High Priestess of Gongola and holder of the sacred challis of Snargot as well betrothed to Hildar the Destroyer the 1st son of Beliemeneith the Conqueror of Swarmenth during the 8th trimester of the age of Dolotath right after the proclamation of the Edeleth Supplicant!!! GOD!!!! I thought you would know this!!! LOL!!! AA
You may like this: http://www.livescience.com/4180-sahara-desert-lush-populated.html Sahara Desert Was Once Lush and Populated
Pre Egyptian ancient civilizations. Robert E. Howard's take. And not to discredit the age of Atlantis nor Mu. A different age and time of civilization. Between the years when the oceans drank Atlantis and the gleaming cities, and the years of the rise of the Sons of Aryas, there was an Age undreamed of, when shining kingdoms lay spread across the world like blue mantles beneath the stars - Nemedia, Ophir, Brythunia, Hyperborea, Zamora with its dark-haired women and towers of spider-haunted mystery, Zingara with its chivalry, Koth that bordered on the pastoral lands of Shem, Stygia with its shadow-guarded tombs, Hyrkania whose riders wore steel and silk and gold. But the proudest kingdom of the world was Aquilonia, reigning supreme in the dreaming west. If such pre-10,000 BC civilizations existed they would be submerged today, wouldn't they? Submerged by the end of an ice age and rising ocean levels. That it happened to peoples who settled the Black Sea before it became briny is pretty well accepted. Port Royal, Jamaica went under as did Alexandria, Egypt within some period of more modern records. But, without those records would we find Port Royal of ole or ancient Alexandria? As there was an Ice Age civilizations would find being near the sea moderates temperatures. And fresh water drains there. Civilization speaks to people losing the ability to survive without a social support structure. So even if some survived the catastrophe how could a potter, or blacksmith find sustenance or shelter. Who would have the skills of hunter-gatherer and still such a life style supports so very few people compared to civilization. Gives meaning to "knocked back to the stone age". Don't blame me, I believe in the Solutrean theory too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solutrean_hypothesis And I believed in Neanderthal in us, out of Africa folks before it was accepted too. If one were to look for evidence of such civilized times, go under water! There is no sufficient reasons today to believe it ain't so or at least possible. Unexplained probably Solutrean sites on the Atlantic coast are ignored. Makes Science easy peasy And Solutreans would not be civilized, pre-10,000 BC as intended in this discussion. Lastly, consider how such ancient civilizations stories occur in so many cultures not associated with one another even as closely as Sumer and Judaism. Like tribal or genetic memory has us feeling it. So Robert E. Howard. Moi r > g View attachment 47234 Atavism Happens! Across an immense, unguarded, ethereal border, Canadians, cool and unsympathetic, regard our America with envious eyes and slowly and surely draw their plans against us.
Nothing new to me there. I know well all about that. But where were the population centers? From all appearances, other than a few areas on the coast there were none. Like most of the world at the time it was populated primarily by nomads, with a few settlements barely hamlets scattered at key trade points. It is kind of like finding the evidence of major climate change and natural destruction among the Pre-Columbian inhabitants of North America. Oh yea, there was lots of people in North America. And lots of real damage done. But nothing that lasted more than around 40 years. And Pre-Columbian America probably had a higher population density and larger settlements than the Sahara ever did. Yes, populated. Along the lines of say the Apache in Pre-Spanish New Mexico, not along the lines of 1st century BCE Judea let alone modern day. - - - Updated - - - You are taking the writer of Conan as scientific proof? This is not even Conspiracy Theory worthy.
Watching a program, Expedition Unknown" about the Yonaguni monument in Japan. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yonaguni_Monument#Artificial_structures So Robert E. Howard. Of course there are the kill joys who claim it is a natural formation. And of course Moi prefers; Artificial structures The flat parallel faces, sharp edges, and mostly right angles of the formation have led some to conclude that the features are man-made.[11] These features include a trench that has two internal 90° angles as well as the twin megaliths that, according to Kimura, appear to have been placed there.[3] These megaliths have straight edges and square corners, however, sea currents have been known to move large rocks on a regular basis.[7][12][13] Some of those who see the formations as being largely natural claim that they may have been modified by human hands.[2] Other evidence presented by those who favour an artificial origin include the two round holes (about 2 feet wide, according to photographs) on the edge of the Triangle Pool feature and a straight row of smaller holes that have been interpreted as an abandoned attempt to split off a section of the rock by means of wedges, found in ancient quarries.[citation needed] Kimura believes he has identified traces of animal drawings and people engraved into the rocks, including a horselike sign he believes resembles a character from the Kaida script.[3] Some have also interpreted a formation on the side of one of the monuments as a crude moai-like "face".[citation needed] Supporters of artificial origin, such as the alternative history writer Graham Hancock, also argue that while many of the features seen at Yonaguni are also seen in natural sandstone formations throughout the world, the concentration of so many peculiar formations in such a small area is highly unlikely.[11] They also point to the relative absence of loose blocks on the flat areas of the formation, which would be expected if they were formed solely by natural erosion and fracturing. Robert Schoch has noted that the rocks are swept with strong currents.[9] Kimura first estimated that the monument must be at least 10,000 years old (8,000 BCE), dating it to a period when it would have been above water.[12] In a report given to the 21st Pacific Science Congress in 2007, he revised this estimate and dated it to 2,000 to 3,000 years ago because the sea level then was close to current levels. He suggests that after construction, tectonic activity caused it to be submerged below sea level.[3] Archaeologist Richard J. Pearson believes this to be unlikely.[9] Kimura believes he can identify a pyramid, castles, roads, monuments and a stadium. Kimura has also surmised that the site may be a remnant of the mythical lost continent of Mu.[3] I sure wish management would fix the Attach Image function so I could upload some images and map of The main feature (the "monument" proper) is a rectangular formation measuring about 150 by 40 m (490 by 130 ft) and about 27 m (90 ft) tall; the top is about 5 m (16 ft) below sea level.[7] Some of its details are said to be: Two closely spaced pillars which rise to within 2.4 m of the surface A 5 m (16 ft) wide ledge that encircles the base of the formation on three sides A stone column about 7 m (23 ft) tall A straight wall 10 m (33 ft) long An isolated boulder resting on a low platform A low star-shaped platform A triangular depression with two large holes at its edge An L-shaped rock[2] Even if one could demonstrate some of the features could be natural, there is such a density of a variety of features that favors people made. The Mu-ians? Moi r > g View attachment 47250 Police State enforcers! Across an immense, unguarded, ethereal border, Canadians, cool and unsympathetic, regard our America with envious eyes and slowly and surely draw their plans against us.
*yawn* Are you a diver? Have you ever dived Okinawa? I can answer yes to both questions. It is natural, unlike a great many other similar geological features I dived on in the area. Oh, and at the time period it was originally claimed they were built, the area was completely Neolithic. Then the revised dates places it squarely in the era of the Yayoi period. Still barely heading out of the Neolithic, primarily hunter-gatherers. A population considered to be "primitive dwarfs" even by the Chinese. Stone using tattooed tribal villages. In a region that has absolutely no history of any megastructures. Nope, CT junk science nonsense.
Oops Neolithic metal mining! That's Stone Age metal mining folks. https://www.yahoo.com/news/prehistoric-humans-mined-metal-12-155519496.html Prehistoric humans mined metal 12,000 years ago Mining for metals began as early as 12,000 years ago in the Stone Age in Upper Silesia, in present-day Poland, research on peat bogs has found. Scientists found the evidence for mining in the ancient layers of bog in Miasteczko Śląskie near Tarnowskie Góry in southern Poland. The bog trapped the impurities that prehistoric people washed from the metal ores, researchers say, showing their findings in an exhibition at the Centre of Silesian Culture in the town of Nakło Śląskie. Must have been those survivors from Atlantis. Notice this dates to the great thaw of the last ice age. 10,000 BC Moi r > g Canada New Forum layout
Agriculture: A science. Megafarms. Fertilizer, pesticide, genetic manipulation of crops. Groundwater contamination, mass species die-off. Internal combustion engine. Science. Atmospheric contamination. Mass species die-off. Darwin, natural selection. An excuse for the hegemony of competition, the arrogant subversion of any and all religious morality. William Blake, poet, long ago warned us against making a god out of science, and even invented a whole mythology to show what happens when you deify science. Who listened? Blake despised Newton, Bacon and Locke. He was right - but those three are held up to high-school kids as titans of human intellect. Why aren't children given the whole picture? This is the era of the ascendency of Greed; their propaganda, their lies, their indoctrination are foisted off on us as Truth. Superstition is evil - great inhuman tragedies have been perpetrated against man in the name of religion. But great inhuman tragedies are being perpetrated against man by Science, and its handmaiden, Business.
People in California 130,000 years ago! http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory/neanderthals-california-provocative-study-47032919 Study: Neanderthals May Have Lived In CaliforniaApril 26, 2017 11:04 AM NEW YORK (AP) — A startling new report asserts that the first known Americans arrived much, much earlier than scientists thought — more than 100,000 years ago — and maybe they were Neanderthals. If true, the finding would far surpass the widely accepted date of about 15,000 years ago. Researchers say a site in Southern California shows evidence of humanlike behavior from about 130,000 years ago, when bones and teeth of an elephantlike mastodon were evidently smashed with rocks. The earlier date means the bone-smashers were not necessarily members of our own species, Homo sapiens. The researchers speculate that these early Californians could have instead been species known only from fossils in Europe, Africa and Asia: Neanderthals, a little-known group called Denisovans, or another human forerunner named Homo erectus. Alternatively - Something more Robert E. Howard. Between the years when the oceans drank Atlantis and the gleaming cities, and the years of the rise of the Sons of Aryas, there was an Age undreamed of, when shining kingdoms lay spread across the world like blue mantles beneath the stars - Nemedia, Ophir, Brythunia, Hyperborea, Zamora with its dark-haired women and towers of spider-haunted mystery, Zingara with its chivalry, Koth that bordered on the pastoral lands of Shem, Stygia with its shadow-guarded tombs, Hyrkania whose riders wore steel and silk and gold. But the proudest kingdom of the world was Aquilonia, reigning supreme in the dreaming west. Who to believe. For Science sake, amen. I also believe in Solutreans coming to Virginia some 20K years ago. I believe! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solutrean_hypothesis Moi r > g Atavism happens Across an immense, unguarded, ethereal border, Canadians, cool and unsympathetic, regard our America with envious eyes and slowly and surely draw their plans against us.
We're All Gonna Die Not Global Warming. It's the magnetosphere I tell ya. Shielding us and our atmosphere from Cosmic Rays of all sorts and varieties. https://www.yahoo.com/news/earth-magnetic-field-flip-giant-121100003.html Earth’s Magnetic Field Is about to Flip—and a ‘Giant Lava Lamp’ in Earth’s Core Is Driving Force If you could travel back in time 41,000 years to the last ice age, your compass would point south instead of north. That’s because for a period of a few hundred years, the Earth’s magnetic field was reversed. These reversals have happened repeatedly over the planet’s history, sometimes lasting hundreds of thousands of years. We know this from the way it affects the formation of magnetic minerals, that we can now study on the Earth’s surface. What of Cosmic Ray exposure between polarities. More Sun Screen will not help. Will electricity flow the other way? How about clothing doubling as a Tesla Coil to create my own, magnetosphere? Moi r > g
Well you could be a doom and gloomer, but think about all those people whose sorry arsed lives will be turned upside down! Who couldn't use a bit of reversal in their lives?
