Poll about JFK Assassination: Who Killed JFK?

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Who Killed JFK?

Poll closed Sep 21, 2017.
  1. Lee Harvey Oswald; acting alone

    37.0%
  2. Lee Harvey Oswald was the trigger man; but as part of a larger conspriacy

    40.7%
  3. Lee Harvey Oswald was one of multiple triggermen.

    22.2%
  1. Lesh

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    Here is the Warren Commission Testimony of Ms. Frazier. Please tell us where the 35 inches comes from, the armpit, and all of the other nonsense in your post!!!!

    View attachment 50310

    Can you see where it says 27 inches?
    Can you see where it says 8.5 inches?

    Please show us any testimony where she says 35 inches or her brother says he was carrying it to where the thing was pointing up his armpit and down to his fingers.


    Now if only the testimony matched up to what you fantasize that it did say.



    The old conspiracy theorist ploy I see. “Since the police didn’t announce that they were looking for curtain rods, they didn’t look for them. Therefore they never looked for them.” In the 50+ years since JFK was iced, the only thing that the public largely agrees upon is that you guys reek with stupidity. This is why.

    You’re at the point now of denying LHO ever said anything about curtain rods. It really never ends with you people.[/QUOTE]
    Oswald never told the police he had curtain rods. Frazier claimed Oswald said that. Shrug. None were found and as far as I know...none were looked for. It's unclear if they would have been found in any case. Their absence proves nothing.

    Frazier absolutely did say the package was carried between curled fingers and ARMPIT. ARMPIT is not SHOULDER. That's an amazing "reach" you're making.

    I will again post Frazier's testimony shortly even though I have done so once already
     
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    Oswald never told the police he had curtain rods. Frazier claimed Oswald said that. Shrug. None were found and as far as I know...none were looked for. It's unclear if they would have been found in any case. Their absence proves nothing.

    Frazier absolutely did say the package was carried between curled fingers and ARMPIT. ARMPIT is not SHOULDER. That's an amazing "reach" you're making.

    I will again post Frazier's testimony shortly even though I have done so once already[/QUOTE]

    He is crushing your argument ad claim.

    It is proven the bag was large enough to carry the Carcano and for Oswald to carry your assertion is debunked and dead.

    So we now know the bag counts as one more piece of evidence among many many such pieces of evidence proving Oswald was there and shot Kennedy.

    Now what evidence do you have another shooter?
     
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    Oswald never told the police he had curtain rods. Frazier claimed Oswald said that. Shrug. None were found and as far as I know...none were looked for. It's unclear if they would have been found in any case. Their absence proves nothing.

    Frazier absolutely did say the package was carried between curled fingers and ARMPIT. ARMPIT is not SHOULDER. That's an amazing "reach" you're making.

    I will again post Frazier's testimony shortly even though I have done so once already[/QUOTE]

    Here is what Randle ACTUALLY said

    Mr Ball :
    What was he [Oswald] carrying?
    Mrs Randle :
    He was carrying a package in a sort of a heavy brown bag, heavier than a grocery bag it looked to me. It was about, if I might measure, about this long, I suppose, and he carried it in his right hand, had the top sort of folded down and had a grip like this, and the bottom, he carried it this way, you know, and it almost touched the ground as he carried it.
    Mr Ball :
    Let me see. He carried it in his right hand, did he?
    Mrs Randle :
    That is right.
    Mr Ball :
    And where was his hand gripping the middle of the package?
    Mrs Randle :
    No, sir; the top with just a little bit sticking up. You know just like you grab something like that.
    Mr Ball :
    And he was grabbing it with his right hand at the top of the package and the package almost touched the ground?
    Mrs Randle :
    Yes, sir.
     
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    And Frazier

    Mr Ball :
    When you saw him get out of the car, when you first saw him when he was out of the car before he started to walk, you noticed he had the package under the arm?
    Mr Frazier :
    Yes, sir.
    Mr Ball :
    One end of it was under the armpit and the other he had to fold it in his right hand. Did the package extend beyond the right hand?
    Mr Frazier :
    No, sir. Like I say if you put it under your armpits and put it down normal to the side.
    Mr Ball :
    But the right hand on, was it on the end or the side of the package?
    Mr Frazier :
    No; he had it cupped in his hand.
    Mr Ball :
    Cupped in his hand?
    Mr Frazier :
    Right.
     
  5. Lesh

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    Curtain rods or not...that could NOT have been the 35 inch broken down Carcano
     
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    Here is what Randle ACTUALLY said

    Mr Ball :
    What was he [Oswald] carrying?
    Mrs Randle :
    He was carrying a package in a sort of a heavy brown bag, heavier than a grocery bag it looked to me. It was about, if I might measure, about this long, I suppose, and he carried it in his right hand, had the top sort of folded down and had a grip like this, and the bottom, he carried it this way, you know, and it almost touched the ground as he carried it.
    Mr Ball :
    Let me see. He carried it in his right hand, did he?
    Mrs Randle :
    That is right.
    Mr Ball :
    And where was his hand gripping the middle of the package?
    Mrs Randle :
    No, sir; the top with just a little bit sticking up. You know just like you grab something like that.
    Mr Ball :
    And he was grabbing it with his right hand at the top of the package and the package almost touched the ground?
    Mrs Randle :
    Yes, sir.
    [/QUOTE]

    That's not Frazier.

    What you have hear is a witness saying he carried it near the top and the bottom almost touching the ground.

    It is very plausible that while carrying it he shifted his grip or carried it in more than one way such as dangling from his hand and then shifted it to lean on his shoulder and then even partly under one arm.

    Either way nothing whatsoever makes the package too small to hold the Carcano which is what you have been claiming.
     
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    That's not Frazier.

    What you have hear is a witness saying he carried it near the top and the bottom almost touching the ground.

    It is very plausible that while carrying it he shifted his grip or carried it in more than one way such as dangling from his hand and then shifted it to lean on his shoulder and then even partly under one arm.

    Either way nothing whatsoever makes the package too small to hold the Carcano which is what you have been claiming.[/QUOTE]
    I posted bot Randle AND Frazier. You really need to get a grip yourself.

    And anything that is carried" by the top with just a little sticking out" and NOT touching the ground is NOT 35 inches unless it's carried by an ape with really long arms.
     
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    I posted bot Randle AND Frazier. You really need to get a grip yourself.

    And anything that is carried" by the top with just a little sticking out" and NOT touching the ground is NOT 35 inches unless it's carried by an ape with really long arms.[/QUOTE]

    Wrong like carrying any stick it in no way needs to be as long as you say to be carried like that.

    You have failed miserably to challenge this detail.

    The bag was not too small.
     
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    They found Oswald's Carcano and not a Mauser. All except Craig admitted to making that mistake and it is an easy mistake to make.

    They did not see Mauser stamped on it they simply misidentified it based on appearance.

    Your claim has long since been proven false and debunked.
     
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    LOL...the problem is not an error in reporting. Walter Cronkite did not get it wrong when he reported a Mauser was found up on the the sixth floor of the TSBD.
    That's exactly what law enforcement officers, after sober and serious deliberation (and seeing the model and make stamped on
    the rifle itself) attested to in writing after the fact....the weapon they found was a Mauser!
    Thanks for the pictures anyway and as usual, you manage to get things exactly wrong.




    If you have a problem with how the Dallas PD kept their filing system take it up with them. The fact that they were sending fingerprints from some curtain rods off to have them
    identified shows you what they had and how that matter of the Oswald and that paper package is dead.
    And of course the cops never mentioned it.

    And I'm not responding to blather you can't even manage to format correctly. Have a child show you how.
     
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    They did not call it a mauser after seeing mauser stamped on the barrel they merely made a mistaken guess when first handling it.

    They found Oswald's Carcano and not a mauser.

    The paper package is what he used to smuggle the rifle in and you have no evidence to dispute that fact
     
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    You'e contradicting the actual witnesses.
     
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    No I am not you are ascribing meaning to their statements which they did not actually say and ignoring the simple mistake which they freely admitted to
     
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    [​IMG]
    When you look at the Mauser this is what you see. This is what Roger Craig, Seymour Weitzman, Eugene Boone, Captain Fritz and Lieutenant Day all saw. After considered consultation among the group and sober discussion they all of course identified the rifle as a Mauser. That's what it was, after all.

    How is it possible for five police officers to be sitting around scratching their heads over the type of rifle they found NOT see the name stamped right into the rifle itself? To suggest they just never noticed is absolute bull sh*t and a lie.
    It's like suggesting people looking to identify an auto would not quite pick up on the Toyota logos and name stamped all over the car. Asinine lies!


    And after telling the Warren Commission he saw a Mauser on the sixth floor, Cpt. Fritz decided later he couldn't believe his own eyes and recanted (as did Weitzman and Boone but not Day apparently).
    Roger Craig, of course, never wavered and amazingly, didn't change his story.
    He refused to lie.
    "Deputy Constable Weitzman reports the discovery of a 7.65mm, bolt-action Mauser rifle at approximately 1:22 P.M., on the day of the assassination. He would later give the same description in his Warren Commission testimony. The questioning attorney, Mr. Ball, never questions Weitzman in regards to the discrepancy to the weapon type, or how the Mauser later becomes known as a Mannlicher-Carcano. But later, the Warren Commission will decide that Weitzman and the other police officers were simply mistaken."
    http://oswaldsmother.blogspot.com/2011/07/mauser-is-mauser-is-mannlicher-carcano.html

    That's typical of the Warren Commission. Roger Craig reported his testimony to the commission had been altered and changed
    fourteen separate times! That's how you build up a lie.
     
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    You are being quite dishonest. Fritz, Boone, Weitzman and Day did not see any such markings nor did they claim to see such markings. Only Craig did and he was simply wrong as the evidence proves. The others admitted to a simple mistake and nothing more

    The others identified it as a mauser only because of general appearance which is very similar to the Carcano. Which is why it was nothing more than a simple and easy to make error.

    For whatever reason Craig chose not to admit an error and in effect stick to a lie this is what he did. The evidence proves a simple error and proves that Oswald's rifle was the one found and the one used to kill Kennedy.

    The Warren commission made no such decision that there was an error the men involved did.

    Craig made that claim with no evidence and it is simply his word against everyone else and against all the evidence.

    No matter how hard you try it is absolute proven fact your effort is a failure and they found Oswald's Carcano
     
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    Hard to mistake that for a "Made in Italy" Carcano. Especially for a guy who used to own a gun shop
     
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    But an unexplained and inexplicable mistake is what moron trolls would have you believe.
     
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    No it is an easy mistake to make for anyone since the person you refer to never claimed to have read the stamp he merely mis identified it based on general appearance.
     
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    Wrong it is simple and very explainable as has been proven and you are the troll who is simply lying about it
     
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    he (Roger Craig) was present when the rifle was found, and, along with Deputy Eugene Boone who had first spotted the weapon, was immediately joined by police Lt. Day, Homicide Capt. Fritz, and deputy constable Seymour Weitzman, an expert on weapons who had been in the sporting goods business for many years and was familiar with all domestic and foreign makes. Lt. Day briefly inspected the rifle and handed it to Capt. Fritz who asked if anyone knew what kind of rifle it was. After a close examination, Weitzman declared it to be a 7.65 German Mauser. Capt. Fritz agreed with him.

    The testimony of all is a matter of record
     
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    Ahh yes, Roger Craig:

    I particularly love the Oswald getting into a station wagon. The DPD found a bus transfer that showed he was on the bus at the same time….

    Screen Shot 2017-05-19 at 2.30.42 AM.png
    http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/craig.htm
     
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    You are lying and you know it.
     
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    Mcadams?Really?

    Next you'll be using Gerald Posner. Please

    Mcadams and the WC think a bus pass is definitive. Oddly no witnesses on any bus remembers Oswald
     
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    Oh okay. Lets start from the beginning.

    So you believe Mr. Craig when he says that Oswald got into a station wagon? Yes or No please.
     
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    Yes it is all a matter of record and in fact the men who identified it as a Mauser did so on general appearance only and then later realize they were simply mistaken and it was a Carcano all along

    All the men present agree on that except for Craig who actually disputed these claims much later in life when he needed money and began to seek the attention of conspiracy theorists
     

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