The chilling resemblance between ISIS indoctrination and Eddie Eagle

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  1. Vegas giants

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    Then we should make that a little harder for them
     
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    you want to make it harder for honest people to buy and own guns. No one with a brain thinks that your schemes are designed to make it harder on criminals
     
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    that requires a face to face transaction within the same state. anything else requires an FFL

    try again
     
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    you just stared here and you have continually posted nonsense and false arguments. one of my specialities with my employment as a DOJ litigator was gun issues. and guess what, you are just making stuff up when you claim gun shows are "full of felons". I doubt you really even care about gun crime: rather your argument is one we see constantly-a bitter left-winger who is mad that the NRA and pro gun rights voters have defeated Hillary and other leftwing candidates you yearned to have in office
     
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    still unable to understand the difference between laws that criminalize improper actions with an item vs owning said item?
     
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    Actually, you were the one who just told us that you contend a random collection of people are those attending an outdoor mass.

    Should I rerun the tape?

    Do you not understand what random is or, as I contend, just intellectually dishonest?
     
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    The only bit of intellectual dishonesty here is your attempt to apply the random sample of people to the attendees of gun shows.
     
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    A survey among 100 people isn't really a survey, and I hate to be the one to suggest asking criminals where they got there guns won't reveal where they actually got their firearms but then when dealing with gun gnutters (including criminals) we can't really expect honesty.
     
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    A sample of 100 for a survey like this would be laughed at by anyone who does statistical analysis
     
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    When people don't say what you want them to say, why do you insist on making things up?

    YOU put the "random" population of people attending an outdoor mass.

    Are you retracting it now?

    Do you want to go back where you were giving your neighbor a firearm illegally? and asking how anyone could prove it?
     
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    Because walking to the front counter at gun shows to run a background check is so hard.

    Your plan to sell to anyone who has the money is so much better.

    Someone you know is already avoiding doing a background check.
     
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    you have proven you know nothing about gun shows. How many have you worked as a seller? Claiming its full of criminals is a blatant lie
     
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    another falsehood. I worked the shows as a dealer-we always required IDs and a 4473 even before the Brady Bill. that was before I became a federal attorney. I did buy two guns from private sellers. In each case, they asked for my driver's license and wrote it and the number down on the bill of sale. One knew me personally. They both asked if I had a valid CCW-in one case yes, in the other case Ohio had not started issuing them (lots of people into guns got Florida CCWs before Ohio issued them) but I showed him my DOJ credentials.

    in the 24 years I worked for DOJ, I was not ever aware of a criminal buying a firearm from a private seller at a gun show

    does it happen-sure. is it the problem the bannerrhoid movement claims it is-of course not
     
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    You applied the random sample of people to the 15000 attendees of a gun show and arrived with 1350 felons attending gun shows.
    This is intellectually dishonest.
    I did not.
    -I- stated that if you apply your random population to 15000 people marching in a gay pride parade, 14250 of them are straight.
    This is every bit as sound as your reference to the random population at gun shows.
    I asked you at least twice to explain how, absent self-incrimination or a sting operation, the state can prove that a background check needed to be run on a given private sale, but was not.
    So, yes.
     
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    Then you have no problem with sellers having the ability to access NICS directly without an FFL?
     
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    Only with registration
     
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    No one with a brain thinks selling firearms to strangers is a good idea.

    That is why 90 percent of Americans support background checks for all gun sales.

    PS: don't whine about flames when you are playing with matches.
     
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    Straw man.
     
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    ah.

    Yes.

    You get a feather.
     
  20. perdidochas

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    I've never seen it. Please post some examples.
     
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    If I go to that trouble will you admit you were wrong?
     
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    How is that a strawman? Currently the only way to access the NICS is if you are an FFL. I, as a private citizen who doesn't have an FFL, cannot access it.
     
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    I wasn't wrong. I had never seen that before, which is what I've claimed. Regardless, if somebody answers an armlist ad, they actually have to physically meet. Criminals don't want to meet strangers who might be ATF agents setting up a sting. That's what surveys have said. Criminals tend to buy from people that they know, not an anonymous person who might be a cop.
     
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    You know little about statistics, then. A 500 person sample is enough to statistically represent the United States as a whole. A 100 person sample is more than enough to determine how Chicago criminals get their guns.
     
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    Of course it is. Polls of a state rarely require more than a couple of hundred responses. A sample size of about 500 is sufficient to survey the entire United States.
     

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