The chilling resemblance between ISIS indoctrination and Eddie Eagle

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  1. Vegas giants

    Vegas giants Banned

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    No it is not. It is laughable. To ask prisoners at the jail if they ever break the law? That is hilarious.
     
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    I have heard this sting argument before. How does it work? I have an ad on armslist. I am contacted by someone and meet them in the parking lot. In my state BY LAW I am not even required to speak to him or ask for any ID. I am not required to ask if they are a felon. I hand him the weapon and he hands me the money. What would you arrest me for?
     
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    And as has been explained already, time and time again, background checks are rendered useless when a straw purchase is involved. That is when someone knowingly purchases a firearm on behalf of a prohibited individual, and later supplies it to them, after having undergone the background check themselves.
     
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    Indeed. And nothing can stop a straw purchase.
     
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  5. Vegas giants

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    Registration can make it much harder
     
  6. perdidochas

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    How? If I'm a felon, and I ask my girlfriend to buy me a gun how is registration going to make that any harder? It's not. She's going to still buy me the gun I ask for. There is no difference if there's registration or not.
     
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    Now the gun is registered in her name (registration required before sale). If you get caught using a gun in a crime it comes back on her. Why would she risk that?
     
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    Not talking about arresting the seller, but arresting the buyer. The LE is the seller. He can have a hidden camera, and film the transaction. They can then run facial recognition on it, find the buyer and arrest him, if he's not allowed to own a gun. That is why criminals aren't buying from anonymous sources. They buy from people they know.

    https://sanford.duke.edu/articles/c...l-connections-studies-find-prof-philip-j-cook
     
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    She already knows it's a crime. If she currently buys the gun from a gun dealer, the gun gets traced to her as well. She's risking it because she loves him. People are stupid when they are in love, sometimes.
     
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    Again we are not talking about dealers. If she buys it private sale currently it is untraceable.
     
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    Ok. Yeah we need to reduce straw sales thru registration and UBC.
     
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    Indeed.

    Nothing can stop a murder.

    No sense having murder laws.
     
  13. Turtledude

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    the person being arrested would be a felon the minute he touches a firearm. duh
     
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    wow...a stunning example of twisted propaganda...your loathing and self righteous zeal border on obsession
     
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    Ah!

    So you don't know what you are talking about - at least as far as polls are concerned.
    If you are interested in such things, perhaps an adult enrichment class and a stats class,
    stay in long enough to cover sample sizes.

    And target population and Z-score, Standard of Deviation, and your confidence interval.


    Is there any topic you do know something about?
     
  16. Turtledude

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    that's really a stupid claim but lets go over this again since you apparently slept through the first lesson

    our society has determined that people are innocent until proven guilty. WE try to prevent crimes by

    1) making the consequences of being convicted of a crime sufficiently harsh that most people won't commit the crimes

    2) by incarcerating those who commit some crimes and thus severely restricting their ability to commit crimes while they are incarcerated

    THE BM claims that "bad people possessing firearms" which alone does not harm anyone, is such a serious problem that we must treat that crime differently than we treat rape, armed robbery, murder, kidnapping or mayhem. the BM claims that we must engage in prior restraint to prevent that crime from happening, rather than merely imposing severe punishment after someone is convicted, to prevent this malum prohibitum offense

    that prior restraint involves inconveniencing and dictating that millions of people who have committed no crimes in order to allegedly stop a crime from happening
     
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    the BM is almost entirely made up of lefties Their hate for the NRA defeating their chosen politicians borders on jihadist
     
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    that's a hilarious comment given how little you know of firearms issues
     
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    Only if you are talking to dopes who don't know anything about statistics.

    And I think you should know that 100 is not 500, one is five times larger than the other.
     
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    You know littlerer.

    Putting aside your sample size, you - if you knew something about statistics -
    would want something called RANDOM sampling.

    Standing outside a Chicago prison with a clipboard and asking the first 100
    people walking past does not for a valid sample make.

    Forgive me for not pressing you for more have little knowledge And me not the
    time to teach you.
     
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    I would suggest you learn a bit more about firearms issues: it would make your posts appear a bit less supercilious
     
  22. barefoot2626

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    More than you, dear, as already displayed.

    Let me know when you want to go back to what you actually said instead of what you meant to say.

    I do have the quote.
     
  23. perdidochas

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    Well, you misrepresent the study. Truth isn't important to you, I guess.
     
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    Different populations are being surveyed. 100 is probably pretty accurate for a survey of Chicago gangsters. Regardless, you don't like the study because it shows what common sense shows--that criminals aren't buying from gun shows, but from other criminals. Gun shows would be a stupid place for a criminal to buy a gun. Too many witnesses and cops around.
     
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    Ah.

    So in the state doesn't count.
     
  26. perdidochas

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    Well, get me a copy of the study, and we can discuss it. I've had 12 graduate semester hours in statistics and research methodology. What is Standard of Deviation? I've truly never heard of that term. Sounds like somebody googled statistics, and transcribed it. I've heard of Standard Deviation......
     
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