White House says Trump expected to pull US from Paris deal

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  1. MolonLabe2009

    MolonLabe2009 Banned

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    Science, of course.

    Paleontology (the study of fossils), Sedimentology (the study of sedimentary), and other sciences can accurately describe what the temperatures, oxygen levels, CO2 levels, etc. were for a given time.

    You do believe in science, right?

    I mean, you do believe in ALL the sciences, right?
     
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    tres borrachos Well-Known Member

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    That means all of the Trump family products manufactured in those countries will remain smog free.
     
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    MolonLabe2009 Banned

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    What the hell does the Cuyahoga River fire have to do with atmospheric CO2 and global temperature?????
     
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    Good move. No need for America to keep having it's pockets picked by the globe.
     
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    They have no idea. They do what ever they're told to do, which is largely, stop thinking. It's a simple message for simple people.
     
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    The Cuyahoga River fire is an example of the "Good 'ol days" before government regulations regarding the environment.

    And dude...seriously? Your answer is to how you think scientists are able to discern the global temperature before actively measuring is "science of course?"

    The fact is that CO2 and Global Temperature are inextricably linked because CO2 is a Greenhouse Gas. Scientists can use the amount of atmospheric CO2 to determine, with a rough approximation, the Global Temperature. They can also cross-reference their answer against other temperature indicators like tree rings or sediment buildup.
     
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    Accidents happen with and without government regulations.

    Government regulations doesn't stop accidents from happening.

    70% of greenhouse gas is water vapor. Only a small percent is comprised of CO2.
     
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    The solar industry in the United States employs far more people than the coal industry does.

    If the United States decides to stubbornly refuse to invest in the industries of the future, we can sit back and watch China become the leader in alternative energy (which they have invested heavily in).

    Then, your ilk can grip about the lack of opportunities in industries you chose to neglect.
     
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    Two fundamentally ridiculous assertions.

    The Cuyahoga fire happened because of pollution, not because of an "accident"

    Only a small percentage of the atmosphere is made up of oxygen. Try breathing without it!
     
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    Government regulations make those accidents less likely and less severe.

    And increasing the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere will lead to more water vapor because the atmosphere is able to hold onto more moisture when the planet warms.
     
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    Solar is more expensive per kilowatt than a coal fired plant and the solar industry is highly subsidized.

    The solar industry can't survive on its own.
     
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    So what am I supposed to listen to? I have yet to see an argument that contradicts me.
     
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    And we exhale CO2 and plants take in CO2. Tell the plants to try and survive without it!
     
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    And why wouldn't they? Good Lord you need to educate yourself on this scam. They would clean up in manufacturing jobs.

    They contribute next to nothing to halt their emissions despite being the heaviest users of coal and gas behind the US and if you knew the bill you would know that.

    The lack of progress becomes even more apparent at the country level. China, for its part, offered to reach peak carbon-dioxide emissions “around 2030” while reducing emissions per unit of GDP by 60-65 percent by that time from its 2005 level. But the U.S. government’s Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory had already predicted China’s emissions would peak around 2030 even without the climate plan. And a Bloomberg analysis found that China’s 60-65 percent target is less ambitious than the level it would reach by continuing with business as usual. All this came before the country admitted it was burning 17 percent more coal than previously estimated—an entire Germany worth of extra emissions each year.

    http://www.politico.eu/article/paris-climate-deal-is-meaningless-cop21-emissions-china-obama/
     
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    Listen to your heart....not your head! :D
     
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    Can someone tell me what the Paris Climate Deal imposes as new regulations on the United States and how much tax payer money do we have to fork over?

    I bet the regulations and the money to be paid out is far more than any of the other countries will have to abide by.

    That's because the United States always gets the raw deal in any of these stupid deals and that's exactly why the American-hating alt-left likes this Paris Climate Deal because it screws America.
     
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    Hey, quit poking at his well-designed theory. :roflol:
     
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    I have heard some of the pact puts U.S, under the control of the UN...... but I have to research that. It would be in sync with Obama.
     
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    But but he did it toooooooo!!!!

    When is the right going to mature enough to stop using infantile excuses
     
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    Because the rest of the world is moving on. The new money and jobs are in renewables and microgrids
     
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    So following the activists over the cliff doesn't make you a lemming?
     
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    The treaty may be notionally voluntary, but climate-change activists will surely hunt for a judge willing to find a reason that the U.S. emission target in the accord is binding. Trump’s unhappy experience in the courts with his travel ban should make him highly sensitive to this judicial threat.

    Trump's best bet would be to submit the agreement to the Senate for ratification. Obama pretended that the treaty was an executive agreement — even though it involves 195 countries, and purports to bind future U.S. presidents — precisely so he could do a constitutional end run around the Senate. Honoring the Senate’s constitutional role in considering such a treaty would make it that much harder for the next Democratic president simply to sign on again unilaterally.

    http://www.nationalreview.com/artic...s-climate-agreement-trump-should-scrap-accord
     
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    But you don't have commit anything. If you don't what is the repercussion? Nothing. Doesn't mean we can't move forward in our own terms. This is like Seinfeld episode with Kramer and the Cancer Ribbon. "What do you mean you dont want to wear the ribbon?!??" Kramer says I don't want to. Why can't I walk without wearing the ribbon?

    People are acting like we're going to start burning coal like China. Idiots.
     
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    Would you care to see my electric bills? I get all my power from a wind company and from the solar panels on my roof.

    When I made those two choices, I cut my electric bill in half!
     
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    Yup! Only the symbolic states are much higher.

    We are talking about whether the United States wants to continue to be the leader of the free world.

    Right now, Trump is saying, no!

    How this "makes America great again!" is beyond me!
     

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