Muslims and our way of life?

With such a rationalization, what happens with muslims is nothing out of the ordinary neither.

Yes, I do, and so do you. Is it really necessary?

 

You guys had 9-11 coming, Tec.

When raping someone, the offender may get the occasional knee in the groin, and yeah, that's unfair. Very unfair.

 

Iraq was a huge mistake, thats for sure

 

I see....so the terrorists now deserve a nice nuke on their doorstep and then we deserve some form of retribution for doing that which deserves even more and eventually no one is left so the problem is solved,

What do you believe began this downward spiral into oblivion?

 

Zionism, the Red Scare (that made you oust Mossadegh), oil greed, imperialism... The region went to hell the minute it became an occidental counter. Sure, it wasn't utopia before, they had their squabbles, but we just internationalized them.

This war we're having, it wasn't caused by arabic/persian/muslim intervention at home, quite the contrary. Now it's so messed up I wouldn't even know where to begin, as the alliance game gets quite complicated. I believe I'd pull out, gently but surely, while warning everyone. Then I'd say something along the lines of "straighten your sht out, then if you are democratic, well-intentionned and are asking for help re-constructing, we'll see what we can do."

A bit like Canada used to do.

 

Not quite right. Most of the war was justified with "ethnic cleansing" and "protecting the poor Muslims". Especially the war in 1999.

 

I see...so we just go back and generalize enough to find where we can blame whoever we want for this?

I say we go all out and blame the United States for WWII and the creation of the borders that make up the Middle Eastern nations in the first place, there would never have been war in Iraq if Iraq never existed now would there.

 

Oh okay, then they are just mental cases.

 

Stay in Indonesia or whatever third world crap hole you are living in. That's right where you belong!

 

After reading this crap, I hope some of you can understand why I don't like foreigners and why we should say "to hell with them" and cut off all money we send overseas. I also hope that show these a-holes the same compassion when the Muslims attack them.

 

Guess who these jerks will be crying to when the ME paralyzes them by stopping the flow of oil? Do they think we attacked Iraq for just OUR benefit? Of course not, dummies. This is about WORLD security and keeping the world and the OIL flowing. Without it, you guys are screwed.

 

Keep bringing them into YOUR country. That ought to help your guilty conscience. Me? I've never done anything to those people.

 

Terrorists attack in EVERY country in which they inhabit. I suppose EVERYONE else is to blame for their bad behavior? NO. Nobody else is to blame. The blame lies with them, and SOMETHING has to be done about this situation.

 

Margot, you always seem to defend Islam. You remind me of the American Paul Johnson who was beheaded by the islamists at the start of the Iraq war. He was quoted in the paper there saying how much he loved Middle Eastern culture, customs and traditions and respected the language and so forth. It didn't stop his captors from beheading him.

 

The Messenger informed Hagar that she would bear a son and his name would be Ishmael (“God hears”).

It was foretold that lshmael would be:

“a wild ass among men; his hand shall be against every man, and every man’s hand against him. And he shall dwell over against all his brethren” (Genesis 16:12).....snip~


They forgot to mention.....that their dwelling over all others would be in the future, on the Klingon Homeworld.

As that dwelling over others on the Earth. Just isn't going to happen.

 

I am so angry after reading some of these horrible comments that steam must be coming out of my ears. These cowards would never dare say such terrible things in real life. COWARDS!

 

Like most complex things about people, the answers are in understanding how we think, and asking the right questions.

Religion itself has the potential to become a danger to the world, because it will control to various degrees, the logic and common sense of it's believers. More than any other power, with the possible exception of heavy drug addiction- religion has the ability to suspend common sense, to override belief in law, to give people reason to think they are serving a power greater than law or logic or judgment. How severe this can be varies with the religion. Some promote peace and harmony with the world- some promote dominance, control and the destruction of all that stands in the way of their power. Some religions are somewhat casual, meaning the people take their holy scriptures with a grain of salt so to speak- a guideline- and others require the scriptures be taken as absolute prime directives. Some religions require absolute compliance with their concepts, others leave that to the choice of the follower. Of equal importance is that some religions believe that religious authority and the right to political power are one and the same- and so try to govern and create law by religion rather than sound basic logic. Islam is certainly a political entity- and that in itself disqualifies it's standing as a legitimate religion in my opinion. A religion is a personal belief, voluntary and of a personal nature; governing the person believing in a higher power as they see it. Once it enables that person to control or harm others, it exceeds it's valid role- and becomes tyrannical or political or both, and that invariably becomes evil incarnate.

The Islamic religion embodies the worst of all these characteristics. It immerses and controls their followers with multiple daily prayers requiring the followers to prostrate themselves- which is a powerful psychological reinforcement, holding presence and power over every thought. It provides all kinds of severe punishments for any criticism, objection to the power or logic of the religion. Even questioning or speaking in contradiction to the Koran is considered a major offense, and brings harsh penalties. It authorizes things like stoning and honor killings for people who do things considered prohibited by the religion, and even though these often constitute murder, the authorities also entrenched in this religion look the other way, because of the religious entitlement for the crime. Islam dictates that one cannot leave Islam- under penalty of death, so there is no choice. The logic is such that if a woman is raped, while the rapist may be charged, the woman will likely also be charged with adultery- and punished, even killed. You can't think like that and be a rational person- it's just not possible for a person who is able to think for themselves.

Islamic religion allows and encourages the belief that the world is imperfect because non-believers exist (infidels) and that it will not achieve it's true destiny and greatness until that problem is resolved... and that Muslims are doing infidels a great service by killing them. It believes those that stray from Islamic beliefs are tainted by the infidel beliefs, and are evil, as in cursed or witches might be. All this is in the Koran, along with a lot of "peace and love" gibberish... thrown in like lipstick on a pig to make the big picture sound like an honorable or logical one. It is common practice among humans to blend some truth and attractive words with the lies and treachery, in order to validate it- and common practice for humans to use the part of any premise or explanation that suits their need for justification at the time. While the old testament has a lot of abusive behavior in it, the western world has rejected not only the entire message of the old testament, but the controversial endorsements of injustice in the new testament. The Islamic world has taken all that was written in the beginning, and holds it all valid today despite the advances of man and understanding of today. In other words, the Islamic world leadership is still functioning on the rules created even before the dark ages. Islamic followers are mixed-Some take the very worst as their holy mission and become terrorists, and others (the majority) give more weight to the good, but those embracing the good also some sympathy and justification to the evil.... thus they tolerate and rationalize rather than rid themselves of it.

Should the good Muslims ever decide to take charge and shape their religion for good rather than allow the religion to shape them. that might change. It's unlikely.

There is a copy of the Koran on my desk- I had to see this for myself.

 

“[2.40] O children of Israel! call to mind My favor which I bestowed on you and be faithful to (your) covenant with Me, I will fulfill (My) covenant with you; and of Me, Me alone, should you be afraid.
[2.41] And believe in what I have revealed, verifying that which is with you, and be not the first to deny it, neither take a mean price in exchange for My communications; and Me, Me alone should you fear.
[2.42] And do not mix up the truth with the falsehood, nor hide the truth while you know (it).
[2.43] And keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate and bow down with those who bow down.”
“[2.83] And when We made a covenant with the children of Israel: You shall not serve any but Allah and (you shall do) good to (your) parents, and to the near of kin and to the orphans and the needy, and you shall speak to men good words and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate. Then you turned back except a few of you and (now too) you turn aside.”

Oops, sorry, but that was Allah's war too. All the bad in the Koran comes from the Old, that is why they claim the Gospel is corrupt, because the Gospel does not call for such tyranny with murderous purifying Jihad.

 

You either don't know or doesn't care.

 

Learning to read might be helpful in that situation. Those words in quotes are not what Jesus said, he is saying what someone else said, like the want to be king Obama said, "What is true, from the start our goal has been first to contain and we have contained them.”

 

Oh noes! What have I done to earn such a harsh punishment?

 

If those nutty nutbars are to be angry at anyone, it should be their own dictators who are the ones who deserve their wrath. Instead, their dictators and Imams and persons in authority concentrate on demonizing others to blame for their failures or their corruption. Their own leaders have hurt them more than anyone else, but some of you are just playing right into their hands in blaming the big bad and evil western civilized nations for their problems. Puhleesse. They would be in the same situation with or without our "help."

 

Have to agree.
Look at the Irish - they bombed civilians for years.
The Protestant/Catholic battle went on and on - as stupid as the Muslim/Jewish hatred.
It seems that the closer religions are, the greater the hatred -
Catholic/Protestant - very close - mainly the pope is the big difference - and Jews/Muslims - both forbid eating Pork, circumcise, etc., yet they hate each other.
Religion has probably caused more deaths than any other cause.

 

And so you voted for a reality show host?

 

Do you think Hillary Clinton was more qualified? If yeah, why?