F-35 grounding at Arizona base extended indefinitely amid hypoxia probe

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  1. Tijuana

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    If you think your government is not a menace to the world, you might consider the fact the the biggest military alliance in the entire history of the world, was created and continues to exist, to keep you in line.
     
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    D0nRumataEst0rsky Banned

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    Haha. How silly you are.:roflol: To spit on NATO. By the way, donut. Are you going to fight with Russia yourself or are you planning to fart on the Internet?
     
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    Google translator is letting you down. Badly.
     
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    D0nRumataEst0rsky Banned

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    What's the point of writing the same thing? Read this topic from the beginning. Or are you a special princess and I must write especially for you?
     
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    Do you even know what you are talking about anymore?

    I made a statement that if we got into a big war, we would bring back the F22 production as an air superior fighter.

    Since then you have whined and cried like a little girl trying to start arguments about god knows what.

    Are you ok? Do you need a hug?
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How many dogfights have there been between F-15's and modern Russian fighters ?

    Your claim that an F-22 can take on 10 F-15's is abject nonsense. An F-22 can carry a maximum of 8 Air to Air missiles.

    Not sure where you are getting your info from but, it is wrong.
     
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  7. Tijuana

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    You can google F-22 vs F-15 just as easy as I can. Use your google-fu.

    I'm sure we can handle your trash jets just fine. The point is, we have an undefeated jet, that was developed in the freaking 1960's, and this new jet dominates it.

    Also, whatever your jets can do, you have like 6 of them so, even if you dominate us, you are done after about 2 days.

    How are you even going to get your jets to our shores, with no aircraft carriers??
     
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    I see that you think that the war will be somewhere far away. Fools are the basis of the US regime. Obedient, executive, believing the media and the government.
     
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    Why are you telling me to use Google ? It was you that made the nonsensical claim that an F-22 could take on 10 F-15's when an F-22 only has 8 AA-missiles (a fact which is easily learned on Google)

    Then you ramble on making nonsense accusations "my jets" - I am not Russian?- because your claim was shown to be nonsense.

    Don't blame me for your nonsensical claims.
     
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    Given the fact that the military OBVIOUSLY does not shoot down it's own jets, we can assume scoring for the competitions is based on missile lock.

    I have no idea why you think we shoot live missiles at each other in practice. That is so retarded, it makes my head hurt.
     
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    Why is it that these 'conversations' always come down to "Our (fill in the appropriate weapon here) is far superior to yours because......?
    It isn't about the machines, it's about the people who work them.
    The Russians are a tough people, the climate is harsh, their government has issues and they have a real day to day struggle with life in general. Now pit them against the average American who is wrapped in cotton wool from cradle to grave, only work if they feel like it and if you tell them they are being invaded by Russia and need to put their cell phones down, they hear "Cut your arm off below the elbow"


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    I never said anything about the military shooting down it's own jets. You are spouting mindless nonsense because you can not handle simple math.

    What is retarded is your claim that an F-22 can beat 10 F-15s - when it only has 8 missiles.

    What is even more retarded is continuing to attempt justify a claim that has been proven false.
     
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    Russian Fighter jets are pretty crap after the Cold War. Military computing power is now defined by COTS parts, and the civilian infrasture of Russia isn't capable of competing with the West. Where are the notable Russian computers sales around the world? There are none. They are mostly US/Japanese/Korean So all this talk on F-35 not working, when Russia couldn't even field an F-22 tech yet(PAK FA).
    China and India are all ditching Russian fighter projects for their own fighters.

    There are incidents where F-22 without missiles where sneak up to the rear of aircraft and kill them with guns. So yes, it is possible to score 10 kills.

    I never heard 1 v 10. I heard 2 v 16 before.
     
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    Only from a distance. In the dogfight not so much.
     
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    Keep in mind "exterme manuvering" is rarely done in dogfight since it's a waste of energy. When F-22s fought Eurofighters, the thust vectoring wasn't much use.

    The Sukhoi is overrated airplane. It's too big for dogfighting and **** BVR capabilities. When France flew against the Indians it is noted the French Rafale was far more agile than the SU-30MKI.
     
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    Live missile shots are taken at drones and other objects. There are military units/specialists specifically designated for that purpose.

    Example: http://www.tyndall.af.mil/About/Fact-Sheets/Display/Article/315006/53rd-weapons-evaluation-group/
     
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    I repeat, we don't shoot live missiles at our own jets. I have no idea why you want to die on that mountain, given how ridiculous your notion is.
     
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    Oxygen deprivation problems are also happening in Navy training jets and in the F/A 18s (which have been in the Fleet since 1978). My bet is we will find that an environmentally friendly component somewhere in the system is failing.
     
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    We test our missiles on QF-4 or QF-16 drones which are F-4 or F-16 converted to drones.

    In Red Flag usually when F-22s face off F-15s, they do simulated missile shots with computer programs as if a live missile was in the enviornment with a virtual enviorment.
     
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    WE DO NOT SHOOT LIVE MISSILES AT MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR JETS WITH AMERICAN HUMANS IN THEM.

    I don't know how many different ways I can say it. Your notion is completely ridiculous, and I have no idea why you are trying to somehow qualify it. Are you some sort of can't be wrong about anything freak?
     
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    I never said they did.
    F-22 v F-15 are using SIMULATIONS. Two fighters see eachother, pull the trigger, a video game shows on their HUD marking the kill.
     
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    That's what I said, several posts ago. I'm glad you are finally catching up.
     
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    Nice cherry picked photos of a supply clerk versus a soldier.

    We have harsh climates here in the US also. Something like 95% of all tornadoes occur here, to go along with every hurricane. We have unbearably hot deserts, arctic climates, tropical climates, areas with frequent earth quakes, you name it. We have the finest fighting force in the world, with by far an away the most experience. When was the last time Russia even fought a real war? We have the best equipment, and by far the most of it. We have a supply of millions of men and women who are not in the military, but who have been firing weapons regularly since their youth. We have by far and away the most able shooters in the world. Anytime you little Ruskies want to dance, you just tell us when and where, chump.
     
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