GAY TEACHER READS HOMOSEXUAL STORY TO 3RD GRADERS

Cheaper than claiming sexuality is a 'choice' in the absence of any scientific evidence whatsoever? Interesting how my argument becomes stupid and cheap when I am simply making an obverse to the poster's inductive logic. Speaking of stupid and cheap, language is learned behavior. Sexuality is instinctual. If you are going to try to eviscerate another argument using analogies (the weakest form of argument) at least make sure they are rationally related to the argument you are trying to eviscerate. Don't hand me an apple and tell me "it's an orange!"

 

Pot calling the kettle black.

 

Imagine a teacher doing that for a class of 3rd graders. Everyone would freak out. Some things are just better not discussed in school.

 

Then you think its more important that 3rd graders being taught to accept homosexual marriage is more important that reading, writing, arithmetic, history, and critical thinking?

 

Natural in humans?, cannot see it. Are you telling me if a male bear shows some signs of affections towards another male bear that bear was born gay? Something tells me that same bear, if given the chance, would mate with a female bear. This citing of extreme rare male companionship is not any more “natural” in the animal kingdom than being born with a mental disorder is “natural” in the human world.

I said heterosexuality is innate in both animals and humans. I said being homosexual or other types of sexual “pleasures” were choices made by a rational being, i.e. a human. All of those who engaged in sexual practices or fetishes, they, too, were instinctively born heterosexual --- no matter how it finally turned out.

I cannot follow this or, at least, agree with it. Your brain is making choices on which kind of sexual pleasure you choose to pursue. It is not “innate” that you would gravitate towards that. Nurture not nature was the prime driver

Your brain may decide it, but only because of how you were nurtured and under what type of environment. That is not innate. No more than someone being a vegan was innate. Their life’s experiences altered their beliefs and desires.

Thrash metal?? Really? Too bad you were not a product of the underground music from the great rock groups of the late 60s and early 70s. Far superior compositions, imo.

I, of course, greatly disagree. All sex outside of marriage has a degree of sinfulness and sin harms not just the sinner but society. As one saint said - - “habitual sin causes a darkening of the intellect and a weakening of the will.”

I am totally convinced I am right because I am totally convinced my God is God. Pornography is sinful. So are most all sexual perversions. I also maintain a habitual adulterer is in worse standing with heaven above than a homosexual. But that is just spoken in general terms, I am not judging anybody or any soul. Because only God knows how one becomes what he becomes and Pope Francis in speaking on this very subject wisely said “who am I to judge?”

 

Reading a perverse sexual book to a captive audience of 3rd graders is far different than me citing the whiners on threads or in society who say "quit shoving your religion down our throats." The former is child abuse and usurping the authority of parents, the latter is an insecure adversary of Christians who does not want to hear something that may be tantamount of accusing him or her of some sinful measure. Like I said, that person can take any kind of message blaring out from his radio, TV, or in a public square, but if it is a Christian preaching now he is offended.

1/2 dozen gods have done what?... sent their Son to be tortured and crucified? You lost me.
As far as your comment on Mary is concerned, the Virgin appeared to a young girl named Pachi in Cuencha, Ecuador in 1988. That is when she uttered those words. Words that could not be more truthful or pierce the heart more deadly.

No, I do not understand? Facts and observable phenomena are empirical evidence. The qualities found on the Shroud of Turin, for example, are scientifically identified and totally startles them. A 3D image, no presence of paint, pigment or the like. More like a radioactive scorch. Also when a photograph is taken of it and the negative is the much clearer image which looks to be the positive. These qualities or characteristics science has identified on the Shroud (there are many others incidentally) has baffled countless scientists who have undergone studies of this cloth. They cannot even replicate all this in today's modern labs much less explain how some medieval forger could have pulled it off. That is empirical evidence for the supernatural, which you says does not exist.

 

I've got a question for you. Suppose you have 10 young boys that have been kept isolated from the rest of the world and they are exposed to nothing but HOMOsexual porn .How many would turn out to be heterosexual when exposed to the real world ? That is essentially what's going on today with the rampant proliferation of HOMOsexual content in every venue possible promoting this perversion. You say HOMOsexuality can't be taught well I call B.S. on that.

 

The Shroud is not proof of any of the church's religious claims. All of the other things you mentioned have zero empirical proof.

 

The problem with that is that it's purely speculative. Unless you can pull up some scientific research documentation where they did just that...this is just an hypothesis that you have. And given the child welfare laws...I highly doubt that you'll ever be able to test that theory given the illegality of exposing minors to pornography.

 

That is a YES? You are offended, and also whined about others being offended?

You have to state that it is a book about why you think they are real, and state, in no way means they are real. But purely one's own hunch or belief.
We know gays are real.

 

If they now 100 people through out their school career. The odds will be that 2-5 of them will be gay. And in today's world, open about it. So knowing what that means should be something they are aware of. Just like how to not get pregnant or any other sex education taught subjects. Or humanity subjects.

 

Perverse is subjective and you are the decider. And it wasn't a sexual book, so don't be making false statements.

Have sacrificed their son or something similar.
I don't believe Mary showed herself to anyone. But delusional people will make claims. So don't bother with something made up as some sort of proof.

 

So do "normal" people make claims. Especially those who have no interest in knowing truth, only in denying it.

 

What if another teacher at a similar school read a children's book about Muslims killing homosexuals and cleansing their nation of them to the same age level?

 

Yes, because homosexual acts are willful acts of sexual deviance. There is no genetic evidence to say people "are born that way." People can get better.

 

What is the basis for the above belief?

The illusion is that the environment shapes us when I believe that it is our innate programming that dictates how we respond to our environment.

And I argue that their desires and beliefs are shaped by an innate instinct that inexorably led them to desire and believe what they do. We need to be exposed to a stimuli to learn how we will respond to it. While the stimuli comes before the response, the stimuli does not determine the response, the response is determined by our innate programming which happens absent of our will.

Such groups were the inspiration of the Metal bands in the 80's. The 60's and 70's music was my fathers music, the 80's was my music, but I still love the music from my fathers generation.

So how was I harmed by having sex outside marriage? Please be as specific as you can.

What specifically constitutes sin and do you have a litmus test that you use when faced with a moral quandary?

To me right and wrong is not decided by subjective interpretations of a theological intangible. From my perspective theological disagreement is a prime source of strife in our species. Faith and belief are not synonymous with fact ergo I value fact over faith and belief.

As a Deist I believe in God, but I do not define God as anything other than a theological intangible that I believe gave me a brain to use and he/she/it expects me to use it to figure things out for myself. I like to say that the pursuit of knowledge is my religion and text books are my Bible.

What harm does porn cause in and of itself? I am not asking for harmful examples as I can counter with harmless examples. IMO whether or not porn is harmful depends upon external factors such as abuse or infidelity ergo the abuse and infidelity is the harm, not porn as porn does not cause abuse, abusive people cause abuse, nor does porn cause infidelity, lack of commitment to a relationship causes infidelity.

Adultery causes harm while homosexuality in and of itself is harmless. To me, just because an ancient religious text says that something is harmful does not mean that it is. The biggest problem I have with organized religion is that it sometimes labels harmless action as sinfull ergo harmful.

 

At what point in your life did you "decide" to be heterosexual? When did you wake up one morning and say "I'm tired of corn flakes, I think I'll have me some vagina"?

I've thought back to my youth and I can't think of that moment when I decided to be hetero. All I can remember is the gradual change in my perception of girls changing from "Icky, cootie infested life forms" into something that I found alluring and made my naughty bits get funny feelings.

 

Humans are born to be hetero, that is our nature. Normal people have the will to control their behavior for better or worse as the prevailing culture allows. There are no people born with a desire to have sex with animals or have a shoe fetish.

No higher animals go off to form exclusive homosexual relationships in the wild.

 

Really? Gorillas have demonstrated both male on male as well as female on female homosexuality in the wild. And I rather doubt they're logging in to the Usenet newsgroups and hitting Alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.gay.gorilla

https://phys.org/news/2016-05-homosexual-documented-female-gorillas.html
http://www.anthroserbia.org/Content/PDF/Articles/cvorovic_nonhuman_primates_sexual_behaviour.pdf

 

Exactly...dont tell kids to be kind to specific group or support any specific issue.

 

I would assume that the number would be inline with statistical averages of homosexuality and bisexuality in humans although 10 is a statistically insignificant number so who knows?

Calling B.S. does not impress me, what would impress me is scientific evidence that proves for a fact that homosexuality is learned as opposed to innate. Have any?

 

Sorry, but they do not form exclusive, long-lasting male-male and female-female sexual partnerships based on a supposed sexual attraction.
Fail
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0154185

 

First of all, was it really necessary to add the "fail"? A little childish don't you think?

Secondly, if as you are saying that homosexual behavior is a learned one, then where did the homosexuals learn homosexuality in the ages and eras where it wasn't so widely accepted? There were homosexuals in Third Reich Germany. They were hunted and persecuted. It would be a huge black mark on a family to have a gay child.

So if it's a learned behavior, where did it get learned from in a very homophobic society?

 

The truth? How did she prove it? Who saw it with her?

 

You are trying to equate a gay person with killing as an equal?