Study: Obamacare Is Not Collapsing

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  1. superbadbrutha

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    Is this bad news for Republicans who claim that the system is falling apart.

    Are Republicans going to be able to just repeal Obamacare without coming a with a plan to replace it?

    During the Campaign Pres. Trump claimed he had the best plan ever known to man, he said all the top medical experts said his plan was great, wonderful, blah, blah, blah. Why hasn't he implemented this great plan.
     
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    I guess you don't realize things take time when government is involved.

    Did President Obama and his merry band of democrats shove the monstrous law down our throats in 7 months or did it take a bit longer? No it took a bit longer to stack it full of bribes before it could pass.

    I guess insurers are leaving the market because they don't like making money.
     
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    The Republicans actually had 7 years to come up with something.

    This is going to hurt them badly in the next election cycle. And that does not make me happy. I have no interest in seeing Nancy Pelosi sitting next to Mike Pence at the 2019 State of the Union address.
     
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    No ****, it's one of the reasons I don't much care for them either. They voted how many times for repeal? Now they can't get their **** together. Paul Ryan is barely better than ol Nancy. And from reading a lot of your i'd be surprised if you weren't be a little happier with ol Nancy than Pretty boy Paul.
     
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    You couldn't help yourself at the end, could you?

    Yes, I want Nancy Pelosi as Speaker. That's why I've voted for every Republican Congressional candidate where I've been registered to vote since 1980. You are so clever! It's a ruse on my part. I vote Republican because I really want the Democrats to win.
     
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    Sounds like you need to address this to the President, he was the one claiming what he was going to do on day 1 and how he had this great plan.
     
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    There's not much difference between the two globalist. And spare me the resume, I just don't care about your voting record that much.
     
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    Congress passes laws, **** takes time. Yet suddenly the left think all campaign promises should be filled in the first six months. It's disingenuous and it's easy to read.
     
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    He said it would be easy. Don't try to get the fans of the reality TV star to be honest about it, though. Like the man they worship so much, honesty is in very short supply in Trumpland.
     
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    All is well. Obamacare is functioning like a well-oiled machine.
     
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    1) Most objective non-partisan observers have been expecting the things detailed in the OP.

    2) The Senate Plan is DOA. There will be no repeal without replace. And, there is no conceivable compromise that will pass with GOP votes only.

    3) Unless McConnell is willing to work with the Dems (on some realistic tweaks to the ACA) Healthcare reform is dead until (at a minimum) sometime after the midterms.

    4) Trump NEVER had his own "plan" plan to repeal/replace/reform the ACA. It was a complete LIE and PLOY that he used to get a bunch of undereducated/politically gullible/low-information voters to fall for.

    5) Besides, Trump (himself) is too NAIVE and STUPID to even understand the complexity of the issue. Why would anybody take his amateurish IMBECILIC rants seriously?

    Obviously, the vast majority or the GOP has resigned themselves to the REALITY that the ACA is here to STAY.

    A MORON like Trump fix Healthcare? ::roflol:
     
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    It really does not take that long when you have an agenda that is widely supported by the public.

    But when your bill is the least popular bill in three decades, **** gets gummed up.
     
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    Oh come on. That's ridiculous. I always consult a real estate developer or a reality TV show host about my healthcare needs. Don't you?
     
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    President Obama and his merry band of democrats also held a lot more public hearings and accepted hundreds of more Republican amendments (granted, it's not hard to do "a lot more" when you are comparing it to zero) before they passed the law.

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/07/10/us/republican-health-care-process.html
     
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    Oh, for sure.

    That guy that comes on at 3 AM (with the infomercial about getting rich flipping houses) is my go-to source for tough medical issues.
     
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    We've got to consider republicans aren't quite as hive minded as the Dems so they are a little less likely to just go along with what the party tells them.
     
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    I know they've been more secretive about it and it's probably going to cost them. Just like not having a damn starting point after 50+ repeal votes makes them look like disingenuous ********s.
     
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    Her own posts prove it to be fake anyway.
     
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    I think Trump's approval rating amongst Republicans - as compared to the general public - contradicts your argument.
     
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    Does it? How?
     
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    Well, if the Republicans were less hive minded as you argue, then his approval rating amongst Republicans would different trend than what can be found amongst the general public.

    But if you review the last several Reuters/Ipso Polls information, the approval rating for Trump by Republicans is incredibly stable - the exact same for the last three.
     
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    Because when he said "day one" you actually literally believe something can be done on day 1? You understand what a figure of speech is right? Besides Trump himself can't do diddly squat, since he can't write it and pass it all by himself, without support of the dimwits sitting on their hands for 8 yrs. Don't you think he thought like many of us, someone actually had a plan already in place ready to lay it on his desk on day 1? Guarantee the conversation went like this.

    "Ok Guys, where's the bill to replace Obamacare that you've been griping about for the past 8 years?" You've been nodding and clapping whenever I mentioned repealing and replacing Obamacare. That's what you all WANTED right?

    "There isn't exactly a bill!"

    What! Why not?. What have you idiots been doing this whole time?

    Uuuuum. Society Dinners, Campaigning, trying to get reelected. We're not even on Obamacare. None of it really affects us, so.... Isn't it great? Our insurance is actually fantastic. Why should we change anything and bring light to it?

    You're all ****ing idiots. You'd be fired if you had real jobs and worked in the private sector! Can I fire you all?

    No, you can't do anything without us, so sit back and get used to the govt way of doing things=) We just waste time and twiddle our thumbs then get elected again until we can collect our sweet pensions. HA HA. Sit back and enjoy the ride Mr. President.
     
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    Well don't make promises you can't freakin keep. In other words you are just giving sound bites to get the base hyped up.
     
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    Because they approve of the job he's doing? Whose party criticism them more Obama's or Trump's? The Dems fear critizing one another, the republicans don't. Was there a never Obama faction? Of course not that'd be racist.

    I find it incredibly fascinating to watch a new idea or phrase run through the left these days. It comes out in the morning and by midday every liberal in the county is spouting the same noise. It takes the republicans a few days to get most of their partisans on board.
     
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    All of that amounted to a pile of bullshit. I will put my work history up against yours all day. Word of advice, don't let your mouth write a check that your ass can't cash.
     
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