“I Need More Mexicans”

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  1. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This week's Business Week has an article titled “I Need More Mexicans” The title comes from a quote from an immigrant who says “Two weeks ago my boss told me I need more Mexicans like you.” It is currently estimated that half the agricultural workers in the US are undocumented.

    Triesta Priest chief strategist of Cattle Empire - the 5th largest feed yard in the U.S. says “The threat of deportation and loss of our workforce has been very terrifying for all of us business here.”

    The whole article is full of stuff like this. It appears Ag secretary Purdue wants to increase and expand the H2B program which would allow Mexican immigrants to stay but at semi-serf status.

    The article suggest that deportation could drop US exports by 60 billion. The national Milk Produces association say that the price of milk would go to $6.40 a gallon if immigrants were gone.

    Whatever happened to the iconic American farmer?

    This situation seems a lot like what happened with Walmart, a cheap plentiful supply of low wage labor led to the complete corporate takeover of the retail sector, putting smaller family run stores out of business. That's just my quick 2 cents. :twocents:
     
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    I am frightened by the average American's lack of knowledge about their own country's economics. America lives on low cost foreign labor. Deporting them does not mean that a job will be open just because a Mexican is deported. It don't work that way.

    Today, in Georgia, a handful of blackberries (mind you a mere handful) are $5 at Walmart. That is because there is a shortage of people to do the work. And, at some point, people will not buy blackberries (obviously $5 is too much.) So, under the draconian laws we have now crops rot in the fields because no American will work for those wages and if you paid the American some fantastic wage, NOBODY will pay more than a given price for any product.

    Add to that the complexities whereby the anti-immigrant lobby locked out MILLIONS of our citizenry from the job market. They are in no better position than undocumented foreigners - and some even moreso.

    The key is going to be to incentivize employers to hire Americans by giving substantial tax breaks for hiring an all American work force, taking people off unemployment and welfare, plus helping the handicapped to get back into the workforce. The employer can hire low cost foreigners and pay big in taxes OR pay less in taxes and hire American. It beats that nonsense of trying to force employers (through fines and jail time) and they pack up and move to China - as Ford did rather than to be dictated to and threatened.
     
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    The best system was the tobacco quota/allotment system. Tobacco was very labor intensive, not just in the field, but also in the processing/warehousing/auctioning. That allowed locals to have somewhat regular seasonal jobs that paid them well enough that they could save and make it through to the next season. With other crops, the pay is only part of it. Regular American people are just not going to migrate around the country slaving in the fields no matter what the pay. Tobacco workers could go home at night to their home and see their families and sleep in their beds.
     
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    "crops rot in the fields"


    Ha!
     
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    If employer hires low cost foreigners and pay big in taxes, nothing really changes, does it?
     
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    Fake news, right?
     
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    If you're a businessman, which do you choose?

    If those businesses that choose to pay higher taxes, they only end up paying Americans to sit at home on welfare and unemployment.
     
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    Hence why min wage laws are harmful to the price and cost of American made goods. Illegals work for less and according to the left, don't take welfare to survive. Getting rid of this low cost labor means the price of goods will go up, yet the left wants to bring min wage to $15/hr and thinks it wont effect every other business in the same way. Get rid of min wage. Get rid of income tax. Create a simple sales tax on everything and that way no illegal will be dodging taxes and can set the market wage based on what each individual can earn and live off of. This is how you balance the free market.
     
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    Wow! They might actually have to pay them proper wages and quite possibly a benefits package. I'd be willing to pay $6.40 a gallon for milk. This is what happens when large corporations run unchecked; they put the mom & Pop farms out of business. Where I live we have a lot of pocket farmers; most of them are hanging on by a thread since it's tough to compete with the larger corporate owned farms; a few of them folded up and the fields are now sitting fallow.
     
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    Yeah, and the crash of 2008 will look like nothing compared to the bread lines and hyper inflation that will be unleashed upon us all. Granted, large corporations only come into existence when you have big governments stifling competition and picking winners and losers.
     
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    Yes, but they won't hire Americans at the higher wages. Either way, they lose, no?
     
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    Just because you pay more for milk or apples doesn't mean you are going to suffer hyper inflation. That sounds like an old wives tale.
     
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    Cause milk and produce is all that illegals are doing in this country right? Poor stupid Mexicans don't do nothing but labor in the fields (sic)
     
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    Not exactly. While everybody else is wanting to waste money on walls, penalizing employers, etc. I'm going the other direction.

    Let employers hire whomever they want. The tax rate is 39 percent. But, let's incentivize employers to hire Americans:

    1) A tax break for employers that hire an all American staff

    2) Additional tax breaks to take people off the unemployment line, welfare and put the handicapped to work

    3) Another tax break to bring jobs back to the U.S.

    4) Tax incentive to have a starting wage 15 percent above poverty level wage

    5) A tax break to give those with criminal records a second chance

    Even the lowliest of employers (like a sandwich shop) can get at least three of those tax breaks. But, if an employer could utilize all those breaks, their tax rate could be 12 percent or lower. Imagine paying at least 25 percent less in taxes each year!
     
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    I know, isn't that terrible?
     
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    Historically yes.
     
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    So you don't mind brown people working for peanuts / slave labor as long as you get cheap black berrys?


    What happened to a living wage?



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    NOBODY will pay more than a given price for any product.

    Yet the left thinks people will pay more if minimum wage is raised?


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    It is accurate, son.
     
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    This situation seems a lot like what happened with Walmart, a cheap plentiful supply of low wage labor led to the complete corporate


    No, Americans wanted cheap products instead of quality and big box stores delivered, the American consumers did it to themselves.


    Look at blue jeans for example, back in the day they could last a man for years, today's blue jeans sold at Walmart you fart you and could end up blowing a hole in them.


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    Apparently a "living wage" is only for white people in urban centers.
     
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    Raise them to what? Americans will not do those jobs, and those that will are lazy and will not perform. these are not jobs that American workers want, the article notwithstanding. Raise prices also, and form unions, and go on strike, and put farmers out of business.
     
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    Funny if you bothered to read his link that farmer was short last year of 50 workers, today he has 150 people on a waiting list..


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